UK citizen Jarrah Begum dies in Syrian refugee camp

[Terruana]

2010.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_erup ... %C3%B6kull

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cunningham

Now can we move on from pedantry to actual substance please?

Finally. Thank you.

Anyway, this is completely different, OP. As I stated before, literally active warzone with a hostile government is a lot different from bloody Europe.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... ls-tripoli

2014, Libya.

[Fartsniffage]

It’s a supreme form of sovereign cowardice when a nation chooses to banish a citizen instead of prosecuting them to the full extent of the law. Begum needs to be tried before a court, not unilaterally expulsed for what she did. That cowardice now cost an innocent life.

How do you figure? Even if she hadn't been stripped of citizenship she still wouldn't have been able to get back the the UK.

She asked for help too late in her pregnancy to fly and the baby died while it was too young to fly.

[Yusseria]

You do know what environmental conditioning is, right?

So the UK will train him as a terrorist? Lolwut?

And risk an international incident because you sent the SAS into kidnapp a kid?

Nope. Use a third party as an intermediary to come in and pick up the baby. There's a British air base on Cyprus - use that.

Imagine the headlines. British government sends special forces to kidnap an infant in a different country.

Extra points if the Excalibur Squadron's involved!

The mother will, especially considering she wouldn't let the baby leave Syria without her. It's clear she wants to continue to have him in her custody where she'll certainly continue brainwashing him with her cancerous Islamist ideology.

Better he die than become a jihadist like her.

[Thermodolia]

You literally just suggested they send the fucking RN. Don’t pull this “I’m not suggesting they do it” bullshit

I suggested that the government owes it citizens abroad more than just helpful advice. Specifically, I was suggesting that if they are willing to send a Royal Navy ship to collect stranded U.K. citizens from places like Iceland and Libya, then they should have been able to issue some documents faster than usual to help Jarrah.

The thing is that the Government of Syria is hostile to the UK and is allies with a nation that has committed terror attacks on UK soil and a nation that is vying for superpower status

[Shofercia]

Finally. Thank you.

Anyway, this is completely different, OP. As I stated before, literally active warzone with a hostile government is a lot different from bloody Europe.

Not to mention pissing off the Russians and the Chinese

Picking up the kid or showing up with a boat? The latter probably would. Here's what I'd do:

1. Negotiate baby's pick up through an intermediary
2. Send a plane from Cyprus' base to pick up the baby
3. Deliver baby to Cyprus, than Britain

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Finally. Thank you.

Anyway, this is completely different, OP. As I stated before, literally active warzone with a hostile government is a lot different from bloody Europe.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... ls-tripoli

2014, Libya.

Again, you seem to either not understand the situation or simply choose to ignore it, that was 100 citizens in a country ruled by a government which the UK was actively conducting military actions against and lacked allies. It didn't have to worry about escalating tensions with the native government or fuckin Russia.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You literally just suggested they send the fucking RN. Don’t pull this “I’m not suggesting they do it” bullshit

I suggested that the government owes it citizens abroad more than just helpful advice. Specifically, I was suggesting that if they are willing to send a Royal Navy ship to collect stranded U.K. citizens from places like Iceland and Libya, then they should have been able to issue some documents faster than usual to help Jarrah.

Terruana, I know your heart is in the right place but, the UK and Syria do not have diplomatic relations in place. Sending a Royal Navy ship to extract a child from Syria would probably spark a diplomatic/political nightmare the UK doesn’t want. And certainly not over one kid. As cruel as that may sound.

[Thermodolia]

Not to mention pissing off the Russians and the Chinese

Picking up the kid or showing up with a boat? The latter probably would. Here's what I'd do:

1. Negotiate baby's pick up through an intermediary
2. Send a plane from Cyprus' base to pick up the baby
3. Deliver baby to Cyprus, than Britain

Showing up with a massive warship in active war zone would mean only one thing to the Russians.

The child was also a Dutch citizen. Why aren’t they getting shit for this?

[Terruana]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... ls-tripoli

2014, Libya.

Again, you seem to either not understand the situation or simply choose to ignore it, that was 100 citizens in a country ruled by a government which the UK was actively conducting military actions against and lacked allies. It didn't have to worry about escalating tensions with the native government or fuckin Russia.

Cool, so it's okay to let babies die, so long as we don't make putin mad?

[Shofercia]

So the UK will train him as a terrorist? Lolwut?

The mother will, especially considering she wouldn't let the baby leave Syria without her. It's clear she wants to continue to have him in her custody where she'll certainly continue brainwashing him with her cancerous Islamist ideology.

Better he die than become a jihadist like her.

We're talking about taking the baby away from the wife of a terrorist, who's unfortunately his mother. Why would anyone ask her? She's a prime candidate for worst parent of the year award.

[Thermodolia]

Again, you seem to either not understand the situation or simply choose to ignore it, that was 100 citizens in a country ruled by a government which the UK was actively conducting military actions against and lacked allies. It didn't have to worry about escalating tensions with the native government or fuckin Russia.

Cool, so it's okay to let babies die, so long as we don't make putin mad?

Do you want to start WW3 over a kid? Life sucks dude, people die. Unfortunately a lot of kids die in refugee camps.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Again, you seem to either not understand the situation or simply choose to ignore it, that was 100 citizens in a country ruled by a government which the UK was actively conducting military actions against and lacked allies. It didn't have to worry about escalating tensions with the native government or fuckin Russia.

Cool, so it's okay to let babies die, so long as we don't make putin mad?

Jesus Christ. Yes. It's alright to let a single person die in order to avoid a war or other massively negative repercussions. Is that too foreign a concept for you?

[Thermodolia]

The mother will, especially considering she wouldn't let the baby leave Syria without her. It's clear she wants to continue to have him in her custody where she'll certainly continue brainwashing him with her cancerous Islamist ideology.

Better he die than become a jihadist like her.

We're talking about taking the baby away from the wife of a terrorist, who's unfortunately his mother. Why would anyone ask her? She's a prime candidate for worst parent of the year award.

Especially since two of her other kids already died at young ages

[Terruana]

I suggested that the government owes it citizens abroad more than just helpful advice. Specifically, I was suggesting that if they are willing to send a Royal Navy ship to collect stranded U.K. citizens from places like Iceland and Libya, then they should have been able to issue some documents faster than usual to help Jarrah.

Terruana, I know your heart is in the right place but, the UK and Syria do not have diplomatic relations in place. Sending a Royal Navy ship to extract a child from Syria would probably spark a diplomatic/political nightmare the UK doesn’t want. And certainly not over one kid. As cruel as that may sound.

Again, I am not suggesting at any point that the Uk government should have sent the Royal Navy into Syria. I am suggesting they should have issued the baby a passport to allow the family's lawyer to bring the baby back to the UK.

I only referenced the Royal Navy in response to a post which suggested the UK government will only provide advice and consular assistance to U.K. Citizens stranded abroad.

[Yusseria]

The mother will, especially considering she wouldn't let the baby leave Syria without her. It's clear she wants to continue to have him in her custody where she'll certainly continue brainwashing him with her cancerous Islamist ideology.

Better he die than become a jihadist like her.

We're talking about taking the baby away from the wife of a terrorist, who's unfortunately his mother. Why would anyone ask her? She's a prime candidate for worst parent of the year award.

Dunno. I suppose that's a question for the UK government.

I suppose sending people to Syria to take a baby from it's mother isn't something they feel like doing.

[Luziyca]

I'd only have brought the baby back to the UK if she surrendered her and her husband's rights to raise the baby, and have him be put up for adoption.

Alas, it is what it is.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I only referenced the Royal Navy in response to a post which suggested the UK government will only provide advice and consular assistance to U.K. Citizens stranded abroad.

It said that for those in Syria. In Syria. Syria. Not Libya. Jesus.

[Terruana]

Cool, so it's okay to let babies die, so long as we don't make putin mad?

Jesus Christ. Yes. It's alright to let a single person die in order to avoid a war or other massively negative repercussions. Is that too foreign a concept for you?

Just to backtrack a second here, how would giving the baby a passport and letting the family lawyer bring him back to the Uk have caused a war?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Terruana, I know your heart is in the right place but, the UK and Syria do not have diplomatic relations in place. Sending a Royal Navy ship to extract a child from Syria would probably spark a diplomatic/political nightmare the UK doesn’t want. And certainly not over one kid. As cruel as that may sound.

Again, I am not suggesting at any point that the Uk government should have sent the Royal Navy into Syria. I am suggesting they should have issued the baby a passport to allow the family's lawyer to bring the baby back to the UK.

I only referenced the Royal Navy in response to a post which suggested the UK government will only provide advice and consular assistance to U.K. Citizens stranded abroad.

They could have issued a passport but the facilities for such a process are not working anymore in Syria. Also, there is a waiting period. If the kid died, he probably had no time to wait either way. And like many kids at refugee camps, he died. It’s fucked up but hardly pivotal.

[Dooom35796821595]

Again, you seem to either not understand the situation or simply choose to ignore it, that was 100 citizens in a country ruled by a government which the UK was actively conducting military actions against and lacked allies. It didn't have to worry about escalating tensions with the native government or fuckin Russia.

Cool, so it's okay to let babies die, so long as we don't make putin mad?

So what did her family, or she do to help? Why is her actions in both having and endangering her children in a war zone where the UK have no diplomatic relations the fault of the British government?

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Isn’t this the fault of the refugee camp? I’ve heard that many refugee camps have bad conditions, maybe there could be an international law to stop things like this from happening.

[Shofercia]

Picking up the kid or showing up with a boat? The latter probably would. Here's what I'd do:

1. Negotiate baby's pick up through an intermediary
2. Send a plane from Cyprus' base to pick up the baby
3. Deliver baby to Cyprus, than Britain

Showing up with a massive warship in active war zone would mean only one thing to the Russians.

The child was also a Dutch citizen. Why aren’t they getting shit for this?

Showing up with a warship could mean at least three things: recon, unloading special forces, or that thing you're thinking of. Anyways, regarding the Dutch, you're right, they should be. And it is primarily the mother's fault. But also the fault of the Brits, even if it's just a bit. Thankfully, Yusseria's the only one, thus far, saying that it's awesome that the baby died. Gives me hope for most of NSG.

[Terruana]

I only referenced the Royal Navy in response to a post which suggested the UK government will only provide advice and consular assistance to U.K. Citizens stranded abroad.

It said that for those in Syria. In Syria. Syria. Not Libya. Jesus.

Not sure what you're getting at here. I've explained why I brought up the Royal Navy, and at no point have I ever suggested sending the Royal Navy to Syria. Are you suggesting that the UK government couldn't have issued Jarrah a passport because he was in Syria? In which case why couldn't they give the passport to the family lawyer, who was willing to travel to the refugee camp and bring the baby back himself?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Jesus Christ. Yes. It's alright to let a single person die in order to avoid a war or other massively negative repercussions. Is that too foreign a concept for you?

Just to backtrack a second here, how would giving the baby a passport and letting the family lawyer bring him back to the Uk have caused a war?

See, this is the problem when you move your goalposts so much, mate.

Anyway, in order to get an emergency British passport (as I assume is your solution), there are several legal requirements, namely they have to apply at a British embassy. They didn't do this. You want the British government to have... broken laws to bring this baby back?

[Terruana]

Cool, so it's okay to let babies die, so long as we don't make putin mad?

So what did her family, or she do to help? Why is her actions in both having and endangering her children in a war zone where the UK have no diplomatic relations the fault of the British government?

Her family went to the UK government to get the documents needed to bring the baby back to the Uk themselves, and the UK government did nothing and told them they'd gone to the wrong department.