UK citizen Jarrah Begum dies in Syrian refugee camp

[Terruana]

You realise the battleship thing is a real example of something the government has done in the past to help stranded U.K. Citizens?

The difference is the UK has a diplomatic connection with Iceland while they do not have one with Syria and sending a warship into Syrian waters would be an awful idea.

Again, I'm not suggesting that the UK send the Royal Navy to Syria. I'm using that as an example of the UK government providing more than just advice to its stranded citizens.

[Thermodolia]

The mother didn’t want to let the baby leave without her and the UK didn’t want to go and get the baby.

The mother's fucking a terrorist, and the Government didn't want to go and get the baby? This is when you say "fuck it" and go and get the baby. That's what I'd do.

And risk an international incident because you sent the SAS into kidnapp a kid?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

The difference is the UK has a diplomatic connection with Iceland while they do not have one with Syria and sending a warship into Syrian waters would be an awful idea.

Again, I'm not suggesting that the UK send the Royal Navy to Syria. I'm using that as an example of the UK government providing more than just advice to its stranded citizens.

Considering the UK hasn't had a battleship in service in almost a century, you might need a better example.

[Terruana]

Yeah, you're right. Better to just do nothing and let the child die without even trying.

There’s no diplomatic relations dude. The Syrian government would refuse to let anyone leave if they just randomly got a passport, especially if that individual was linked to ISIS.

If the Syrian government was stopping anyone with a UK passport from crossing the border, how do the journalists keep getting in and out?

[Shofercia]

They could have just given it to the lawyer representing the family, who would then have retrieved the child.

And then have the Syrian government laugh in his face. Perfect idea!

I doubt that the Syrian Government would try to keep the baby of a terrorist in Syria - it's just another mouth to feed.

The mother's fucking a terrorist, and the Government didn't want to go and get the baby? This is when you say "fuck it" and go and get the baby. That's what I'd do.

And then the child would die during the legal and diplomatic process it would take to get him.

I doubt that the Syrians would stop the Brits from picking up an innocent baby and giving him a better life than ISIS would've.

[Thermodolia]

And perhaps we should send in special forces to break Nazanin out of jail in Iran?

You realise the battleship thing is a real example of something the government has done in the past to help stranded U.K. Citizens?

When? In the 1950’s?

[Fartsniffage]

To get an on the day passport you need to attend a passport centre in the UK or and embassy or consulate abroad. I also don't think it's possible to get an on the day passport if it's you're first one.

Does the government not have any flexibility in deciding how/when to issue emergency passports for newborn babies?

It probably does. But the mother would need to apply for one and send in her passport as proof of who she is. To the best of my knowledge she didn't have access to the proper forms, burned her own passport, wouldn't have had access to the correct photography machine to get a valid photo for the passport, and chose to travel to a country with no British embassy to help her out with any of those things.

On top of this she chose to get pregnant a 3rd time after the fist 2 kids died in a shitty living situation that she chose.

[Uxupox]

The mother's fucking a terrorist, and the Government didn't want to go and get the baby? This is when you say "fuck it" and go and get the baby. That's what I'd do.

And risk an international incident because you sent the SAS into kidnapp a kid?

Imagine the headlines. British government sends special forces to kidnap an infant in a different country.

[Terruana]

Again, I'm not suggesting that the UK send the Royal Navy to Syria. I'm using that as an example of the UK government providing more than just advice to its stranded citizens.

Considering the UK hasn't had a battleship in service in almost a century, you might need a better example.

Would it make you feel better if I just called it a Royal Navy ship then?

[Thermodolia]

The difference is the UK has a diplomatic connection with Iceland while they do not have one with Syria and sending a warship into Syrian waters would be an awful idea.

Again, I'm not suggesting that the UK send the Royal Navy to Syria. I'm using that as an example of the UK government providing more than just advice to its stranded citizens.

You literally just suggested they send the fucking RN. Don’t pull this “I’m not suggesting they do it” bullshit

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Considering the UK hasn't had a battleship in service in almost a century, you might need a better example.

Would it make you feel better if I just called it a Royal Navy ship then?

No cos then it removes the point of your example to begin with. When did they do the example you are alluding to?

[Dooom35796821595]

And perhaps we should send in special forces to break Nazanin out of jail in Iran?

You realise the battleship thing is a real example of something the government has done in the past to help stranded U.K. Citizens?

No, I’ve never heard about a British battleship being sent into a hostile war zone to rescue a child of a terrorist.

You know the family could have flown over and taken them to another country, and the British embassy there would have dealt with it.

[Terruana]

You realise the battleship thing is a real example of something the government has done in the past to help stranded U.K. Citizens?

When? In the 1950’s?

Cool, semantic argument. Good one. Let's just call it a Royal Navy ship then, does that help you understand my point?

[Andsed]

And then have the Syrian government laugh in his face. Perfect idea!

I doubt that the Syrian Government would try to keep the baby of a terrorist in Syria - it's just another mouth to feed.

And then the child would die during the legal and diplomatic process it would take to get him.

I doubt that the Syrians would stop the Brits from picking up an innocent baby and giving him a better life than ISIS would've.

This baby is the child of someone related to ISIS. They are not going to just let him go. The UK could not simply ¨go get him¨ without causing a major legal and diplomatic headache.

[Fartsniffage]

Would it make you feel better if I just called it a Royal Navy ship then?

No cos then it removes the point of your example to begin with. When did they do the example you are alluding to?

2010.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_erup ... %C3%B6kull

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cunningham

Now can we move on from pedantry to actual substance please?

[Pacific Federal State]

Kiwi here we got one of our own in Syria a ISIS jihadist called Mark Taylor he wants the government to help him return to New Zealand and the government essentially said "no" so he says the government has "stabbed him in the back" if he does manage to get back home he'll be put on trial,convicted then housed in prison at taxpayer expense. Pity he wasn't killed by a drone strike.

[Thermodolia]

And risk an international incident because you sent the SAS into kidnapp a kid?

Imagine the headlines. British government sends special forces to kidnap an infant in a different country.

I wonder how many African and Asian nations would recall their diplomats in the UK if that happened.

[Shofercia]

You have proof of a terrorist gene?

You do know what environmental conditioning is, right?

So the UK will train him as a terrorist? Lolwut?

The mother's fucking a terrorist, and the Government didn't want to go and get the baby? This is when you say "fuck it" and go and get the baby. That's what I'd do.

And risk an international incident because you sent the SAS into kidnapp a kid?

Nope. Use a third party as an intermediary to come in and pick up the baby. There's a British air base on Cyprus - use that.

And risk an international incident because you sent the SAS into kidnapp a kid?

Imagine the headlines. British government sends special forces to kidnap an infant in a different country.

Extra points if the Excalibur Squadron's involved!

[Terruana]

You realise the battleship thing is a real example of something the government has done in the past to help stranded U.K. Citizens?

No, I’ve never heard about a British battleship being sent into a hostile war zone to rescue a child of a terrorist.

You know the family could have flown over and taken them to another country, and the British embassy there would have dealt with it.

Since so many people in this thread are super into boats, I apparently need to clarify this to "a Royal Navy ship". And here's an example of it happening https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... ls-tripoli

[Sahansahiye Iran]

No cos then it removes the point of your example to begin with. When did they do the example you are alluding to?

2010.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_erup ... %C3%B6kull

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cunningham

Now can we move on from pedantry to actual substance please?

Finally. Thank you.

Anyway, this is completely different, OP. As I stated before, literally active warzone with a hostile government is a lot different from bloody Europe.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

It’s a supreme form of sovereign cowardice when a nation chooses to banish a citizen instead of prosecuting them to the full extent of the law. Begum needs to be tried before a court, not unilaterally expulsed for what she did. That cowardice now cost an innocent life.

[Shofercia]

This baby is the child of someone related to ISIS. They are not going to just let him go. The UK could not simply ¨go get him¨ without causing a major legal and diplomatic headache.

Why not? He's just a baby who did nothing wrong. Not seeing how anyone could justify keeping him.

[Thermodolia]

You realise the battleship thing is a real example of something the government has done in the past to help stranded U.K. Citizens?

No, I’ve never heard about a British battleship being sent into a hostile war zone to rescue a child of a terrorist.

You know the family could have flown over and taken them to another country, and the British embassy there would have dealt with it.

I’m pretty sure that the UK still has diplomatic relations with Lebanon. Just walk into Lebanon and get to the embassy there.

[Terruana]

Again, I'm not suggesting that the UK send the Royal Navy to Syria. I'm using that as an example of the UK government providing more than just advice to its stranded citizens.

You literally just suggested they send the fucking RN. Don’t pull this “I’m not suggesting they do it” bullshit

I suggested that the government owes it citizens abroad more than just helpful advice. Specifically, I was suggesting that if they are willing to send a Royal Navy ship to collect stranded U.K. citizens from places like Iceland and Libya, then they should have been able to issue some documents faster than usual to help Jarrah.

[Thermodolia]

2010.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_erup ... %C3%B6kull

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cunningham

Now can we move on from pedantry to actual substance please?

Finally. Thank you.

Anyway, this is completely different, OP. As I stated before, literally active warzone with a hostile government is a lot different from bloody Europe.

Not to mention pissing off the Russians and the Chinese