UK citizen Jarrah Begum dies in Syrian refugee camp

[Andsed]

Shipping costs? The fact there’s no diplomatic relations with Syria and the UK?

They could have just given it to the lawyer representing the family, who would then have retrieved the child.

That will still have legal and diplomatic issues you know.

[Fartsniffage]

Or a Royal Navy battleship diverted to bring them back to the UK...

That’s complicated and why would the UK go through so much trouble?

He's talking about the time the RN stepped in to help out when that Icelandic volcano downed flights across the whole of Europe.

[Thermodolia]

Shipping costs? The fact there’s no diplomatic relations with Syria and the UK?

They could have just given it to the lawyer representing the family, who would then have retrieved the child.

And then have the Syrian government laugh in his face. Perfect idea!

[Terruana]

Or a Royal Navy battleship diverted to bring them back to the UK...

That’s complicated and why would the UK go through so much trouble?

I'm not saying they should have in this case, I'm saying they have done in the past.

[Terruana]

They could have just given it to the lawyer representing the family, who would then have retrieved the child.

And then have the Syrian government laugh in his face. Perfect idea!

Yeah, you're right. Better to just do nothing and let the child die without even trying.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

You seem intent on blaming the UK government, and ignoring that the woman has gotten three of her kids killed. Do you know what citizens get when they’re abroad? Consular assistance and dimpomatic efforts to assure things like legal council, a fair trial ect. Not a fast track passport and a plane ride home.

Or a Royal Navy battleship diverted to bring them back to the UK...

Ignoring the fact that the UK doesn't even have a battleship, you expect them to divert a vessel of that size to an active warzone in a country ruled by a hostile government for a single child whose parents are terrorists?

[Shofercia]

I agree, just because his parents were terrorists, doesn't mean that the baby was a terrorist too. There's no such thing as a terrorist gene. This was tragic, and preventable.




Couldn't UK take the baby away from the mother?

The mother didn’t want to let the baby leave without her and the UK didn’t want to go and get the baby.

The mother's fucking a terrorist, and the Government didn't want to go and get the baby? This is when you say "fuck it" and go and get the baby. That's what I'd do.

[Andsed]

And then have the Syrian government laugh in his face. Perfect idea!

Yeah, you're right. Better to just do nothing and let the child die without even trying.

If something is not going to work and you know it why do it?

[Shofercia]

Excessively cruel, the child did nothing wrong.

He most likely would have followed in his Jihadi mother's footsteps. Nothing of value was lost today.

You have proof of a terrorist gene?

[Christian Confederation]

Regardless of how bad it is, this thread should be renamed- "Son of ex UK citizen who defected to ISIS dies after mother was to stubborn and stupid to let her child live a normal life in the UK."

Because the child is not a UK citizen because he doesn't get birth right citizenship because his mother gave up her citizenship when she defected to ISIS.

[Andsed]

The mother didn’t want to let the baby leave without her and the UK didn’t want to go and get the baby.

The mother's fucking a terrorist, and the Government didn't want to go and get the baby? This is when you say "fuck it" and go and get the baby. That's what I'd do.

And then the child would die during the legal and diplomatic process it would take to get him.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

He most likely would have followed in his Jihadi mother's footsteps. Nothing of value was lost today.

You have proof of a terrorist gene?

You do know what environmental conditioning is, right?

[Czech-Bohemia]

He wasn't our citizen, he was never born here and never given citizenship. The only thing British about him was his mother and she's a damn traitor at that.

It's a sad thing to see a child die but it was never our fault nor our concern.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

That’s complicated and why would the UK go through so much trouble?

I'm not saying they should have in this case, I'm saying they have done in the past.

I’m going to say something horrible but, kids die at refugee camps all the time. The truth is the UK govt probably had no vested interest in bringing this child to its soil. Is it sad the child died? Yes. But this is a reality in such settings. There isn’t much one can do.

The mother made that decision for the child, unfortunately. And although he was innocent, death happens. The world moves on.

[Dooom35796821595]

You seem intent on blaming the UK government, and ignoring that the woman has gotten three of her kids killed. Do you know what citizens get when they’re abroad? Consular assistance and dimpomatic efforts to assure things like legal council, a fair trial ect. Not a fast track passport and a plane ride home.

Or a Royal Navy battleship diverted to bring them back to the UK...

And perhaps we should send in special forces to break Nazanin out of jail in Iran?

[Terruana]

What is the time limiting factor in issuing a passport that means it cannot possibly be sped up by the UK government when necessary to preserve a baby's life?

To get an on the day passport you need to attend a passport centre in the UK or and embassy or consulate abroad. I also don't think it's possible to get an on the day passport if it's you're first one.

Does the government not have any flexibility in deciding how/when to issue emergency passports for newborn babies?

[Thermodolia]

What is the time limiting factor in issuing a passport that means it cannot possibly be sped up by the UK government when necessary to preserve a baby's life?

To get an on the day passport you need to attend a passport centre in the UK or and embassy or consulate abroad. I also don't think it's possible to get an on the day passport if it's you're first one.

It’s also worth noting that the UK Embassy in Syria can’t do shit.

From UK Embassy in Syria Website:

The British Embassy in Damascus is unable to provide any consular assistance as operations have been suspended and diplomatic personnel have been withdrawn.

This part here is very very important to note:

We cannot help you leave Syria. Those who choose to remain in Syria or to visit against our advice should be aware that we cannot provide consular assistance in country

Website: https://www.gov.uk/world/organisations/ ... y-damascus

[Terruana]

Or a Royal Navy battleship diverted to bring them back to the UK...

And perhaps we should send in special forces to break Nazanin out of jail in Iran?

You realise the battleship thing is a real example of something the government has done in the past to help stranded U.K. Citizens?

[Thermodolia]

You seem intent on blaming the UK government, and ignoring that the woman has gotten three of her kids killed. Do you know what citizens get when they’re abroad? Consular assistance and dimpomatic efforts to assure things like legal council, a fair trial ect. Not a fast track passport and a plane ride home.

Or a Royal Navy battleship diverted to bring them back to the UK...

You realize those don’t exist and even if they did wouldn’t go near Syria for fear of pissing off the Russians

[Sahansahiye Iran]

And perhaps we should send in special forces to break Nazanin out of jail in Iran?

You realise the battleship thing is a real example of something the government has done in the past to help stranded U.K. Citizens?

Example?

[Thermodolia]

The mother.

Have we reached that point where a baby can be classed as a member of a terrorist group simply because they have the bad luck to be born to one of the female members?

No. I was talking about the mother not the fucking child

[Andsed]

And perhaps we should send in special forces to break Nazanin out of jail in Iran?

You realise the battleship thing is a real example of something the government has done in the past to help stranded U.K. Citizens?

The difference is the UK has a diplomatic connection with Iceland while they do not have one with Syria and sending a warship into Syrian waters would be an awful idea.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Or a Royal Navy battleship diverted to bring them back to the UK...

You realize those don’t exist and even if they did wouldn’t go near Syria for fear of pissing off the Russians

I don't even think any modern navy operates a battleship.

[Terruana]

Regardless of how bad it is, this thread should be renamed- "Son of ex UK citizen who defected to ISIS dies after mother was to stubborn and stupid to let her child live a normal life in the UK."

Because the child is not a UK citizen because he doesn't get birth right citizenship because his mother gave up her citizenship when she defected to ISIS.

Except that this thread is about the child, not the mother.

[Thermodolia]

And then have the Syrian government laugh in his face. Perfect idea!

Yeah, you're right. Better to just do nothing and let the child die without even trying.

There’s no diplomatic relations dude. The Syrian government would refuse to let anyone leave if they just randomly got a passport, especially if that individual was linked to ISIS.