UK citizen Jarrah Begum dies in Syrian refugee camp

[Terruana]

I'm not talking about bailing out the mother, I'm saying they had an obligation the help the baby, whose as an innocent UK citizen.

And what were they supposed to do? Send in an SAS capture team to take the child away from its mother in the dead of night?

Also, this is the third child she’s gotten killed, as I mentioned. She doesn’t seem to bothered.

No, but they should have issued the baby a passport and let the family's lawyer bring him home.

[Andsed]

Your making this look simple but in reality it would have a major headache. Is it sad the kid died of course but the UK government could not really do all that much.

What, so we should only try to save a baby's life if it's simple?

What I am saying is it would not be as simple as simply bringing him home through some paperwork. It would have been a major headache and would take time the kid likely did not have.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

And wasn’t this child also a Syrian citizen? I can’t recall where he was born. Trying to get the kid out could have been one diplomatic disaster.

he was born in syria.

Being born in Syria doesn't make one a Syrian citizen. Syria lacks jus soli.

[Thermodolia]

What would you want the government to do? We don't currently have any diplomatic relationship with Syria so it have had to have been some kind of snatch squad sent in the steal the baby from a Syrian refugee camp.

The family's lawyer was planning a trip out to talk to the mother and potentially bring the child back with him to be raised by the family. All he would have needed was the paperwork from the UK government to allow the child home.

Failing that, they could have worked with the Kurdish red crescent, who were operating in the camp, to get the baby to safety.

The UK paperwork would be useless without diplomatic relations with Syria. The Syrian government has a vested interest to keep ISIS members in their nation for their own trials

[Rivine]

Very sad. The responsibility is solely on the mother.

[Fartsniffage]

What would you want the government to do? We don't currently have any diplomatic relationship with Syria so it have had to have been some kind of snatch squad sent in the steal the baby from a Syrian refugee camp.

The family's lawyer was planning a trip out to talk to the mother and potentially bring the child back with him to be raised by the family. All he would have needed was the paperwork from the UK government to allow the child home.

Failing that, they could have worked with the Kurdish red crescent, who were operating in the camp, to get the baby to safety.

Why is this all on the UK anyway? The father was a Dutch citizen so the baby was also Dutch. Why is no one blaming them for this entirely foreseeable death?

[Terruana]

Issue the baby a passport and let the lawyer bring him home?

Probably would take a month or two before the passport gets approved.

What would stop them from approving it sooner?

[Omonros]

There are alternatives I think would have been better paths. The child could have, if the law permitted, been taken from the mother. I think that a painful and torturous death was not better than following his mother later on and facing his death as an Extremist, and I don't think that his mother at all should have been allowed to keep him seeing that she failed to do so with the past two and that she would have raised him as a zealot and a terrorist, but all the same he could have been saved from the angry claws of a painful death or his unfit mother. I don't know how good the UK's adoption system is, but it's probably better than a terrorist upbringing, and if he has a known father that could offer a better life I think that he should have been given custody in an instant. This is still the loss of a life and it is still a tragedy, but with a bit more attention on who can be given a better life than what they can have as a refugee in a camp it may have been more easily prevented.

[Andsed]

Probably would take a month or two before the passport gets approved.

What would stop them from approving it sooner?

Because you can’t just rush things like a video game.

[Terruana]

The family's lawyer was planning a trip out to talk to the mother and potentially bring the child back with him to be raised by the family. All he would have needed was the paperwork from the UK government to allow the child home.

Failing that, they could have worked with the Kurdish red crescent, who were operating in the camp, to get the baby to safety.

Why is this all on the UK anyway? The father was a Dutch citizen so the baby was also Dutch. Why is no one blaming them for this entirely foreseeable death?

Probably because nobody from his family asked the Dutch government for help and got fobbed off

[Yami-Chan]

Didn't the UK gov offer to take in her baby but wait until they could verify her as a non threat, but she refused?

Regardless good riddance, only reason she was publicizing the baby was because she thought it was a guaranteed ticket back to her old cushy home, not the one she thought would be great for her and her now four dead children.

[Thermodolia]

Probably would take a month or two before the passport gets approved.

What would stop them from approving it sooner?

Shipping costs? The fact there’s no diplomatic relations with Syria and the UK?

[Uxupox]

Probably would take a month or two before the passport gets approved.

What would stop them from approving it sooner?

Due process like everybody else.

[Thermodolia]

Why is this all on the UK anyway? The father was a Dutch citizen so the baby was also Dutch. Why is no one blaming them for this entirely foreseeable death?

Probably because nobody from his family asked the Dutch government for help and got fobbed off

Sounds like the family’s fault then not the UK

[Terruana]

What would stop them from approving it sooner?

Because you can’t just rush things like a video game.

What is the time limiting factor in issuing a passport that means it cannot possibly be sped up by the UK government when necessary to preserve a baby's life?

[Dooom35796821595]

And what were they supposed to do? Send in an SAS capture team to take the child away from its mother in the dead of night?

Also, this is the third child she’s gotten killed, as I mentioned. She doesn’t seem to bothered.

No, but they should have issued the baby a passport and let the family's lawyer bring him home.

You seem intent on blaming the UK government, and ignoring that the woman has gotten three of her kids killed. Do you know what citizens get when they’re abroad? Consular assistance and dimpomatic efforts to assure things like legal council, a fair trial ect. Not a fast track passport and a plane ride home.

[Thermodolia]

Because you can’t just rush things like a video game.

What is the time limiting factor in issuing a passport that means it cannot possibly be sped up by the UK government when necessary to preserve a baby's life?

What would stop them from approving it sooner?

Shipping costs? The fact there’s no diplomatic relations with Syria and the UK?

[Terruana]

What would stop them from approving it sooner?

Shipping costs? The fact there’s no diplomatic relations with Syria and the UK?

They could have just given it to the lawyer representing the family, who would then have retrieved the child.

[Uxupox]

Because you can’t just rush things like a video game.

What is the time limiting factor in issuing a passport that means it cannot possibly be sped up by the UK government when necessary to preserve a baby's life?

The fact that the kid is in Syria for one.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

This is fucked up on so many levels

[Fartsniffage]

Because you can’t just rush things like a video game.

What is the time limiting factor in issuing a passport that means it cannot possibly be sped up by the UK government when necessary to preserve a baby's life?

To get an on the day passport you need to attend a passport centre in the UK or and embassy or consulate abroad. I also don't think it's possible to get an on the day passport if it's you're first one.

[Terruana]

No, but they should have issued the baby a passport and let the family's lawyer bring him home.

You seem intent on blaming the UK government, and ignoring that the woman has gotten three of her kids killed. Do you know what citizens get when they’re abroad? Consular assistance and dimpomatic efforts to assure things like legal council, a fair trial ect. Not a fast track passport and a plane ride home.

Or a Royal Navy battleship diverted to bring them back to the UK...

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You seem intent on blaming the UK government, and ignoring that the woman has gotten three of her kids killed. Do you know what citizens get when they’re abroad? Consular assistance and dimpomatic efforts to assure things like legal council, a fair trial ect. Not a fast track passport and a plane ride home.

Or a Royal Navy battleship diverted to bring them back to the UK...

That’s complicated and why would the UK go through so much trouble?

[Virshia]

Why would the baby be classed as a member of IS?

The mother.

Have we reached that point where a baby can be classed as a member of a terrorist group simply because they have the bad luck to be born to one of the female members?

[Terruana]

What would stop them from approving it sooner?

Shipping costs? The fact there’s no diplomatic relations with Syria and the UK?

Or they could have issued it to the lawyer representing the family, who would then have retrieved the baby.