Extremism and intellect

[The Blaatschapen]

Calling Noam "father of modern linguistics" Chomsky stupid is such a bad take that my brain can not possibly compute. He's a professor at MIT ffs.

You disagree with him, that's not a sign of his lack of intelligence.

He actually moved to U of Az. The man is also a career academic who's never struggled in his life and as someone who also subscribes to anarchist ideas i could pick his social anarcho syndicast position apart based on the reality of him living in an office and never doing a real days work or seeing the ugly side of life. Part of intelligemce is practical experience. Somethinf Chomsky would know little about first hand. Same goes for ben shapiro but you must hate conservatives so he clearly must be an idiot.

Academics is real work.

Writing grant applications is hard.

The research is trivial.

[Valrifell]

Calling Noam "father of modern linguistics" Chomsky stupid is such a bad take that my brain can not possibly compute. He's a professor at MIT ffs.

You disagree with him, that's not a sign of his lack of intelligence.

He actually moved to U of Az. The man is also a career academic who's never struggled in his life and as someone who also subscribes to anarchist ideas i could pick his social anarcho syndicast position apart based on the reality of him living in an office and never doing a real days work or seeing the ugly side of life. Part of intelligemce is practical experience. Somethinf Chomsky would know little about first hand. Same goes for ben shapiro but you must hate conservatives so he clearly must be an idiot.

I'm more familiar with the academic career of Chomsky having a passing interest in linguistics.

Ben Shapiro was writing political commentary at 17, he's not exactly what I call stupid either.

[The Emerald Legion]

Define "moderate".
I could consider, let's say, NOT lining up the bourgeois (hey, only those aged 0-199) against a wall and shooting them with a machinegun to be a sign of extreme moderation - to the point of a suspect of counter-revolutionary activities, actually.
Some other ones (the pig-dog lackeys of the imperialistic capitalism) could say that a progressive income tax is a policy only a kid-eating, liberty-raping commie extremist would support.
Lacking a meaningful and cogent definition of "moderate" and "extremist" that isn't strictly dependant on the "average" political opinion in that place and in that moment, the OP makes very little sense.

See theres this great thing called the political scale. It runs on an x-y axis ya know? Its on that x-y axis chart given out during science and math lessons as a kid? Well i fall dead center on that scale. Now Im sensing a great deal of hositility from leftists like you though. Hmmmmm i wonder why? Nit that the left is nothing but bad ideas or the right. But the far left the far right??? Ehhh i don know guy from all the defensiveness amd heat I'm feeling right now I'd say you lefties are a little touchy. Im not calling you socialists stupid or touchy. All im saying is. Actually screw it you're exactly why i dont think much of extremists. Youre narrow corridor of thought is only reinforced by your clearly ludicrous ideas of what a centrist is. To a centrist who believes in amongst other things such as : progressive income tax. Free speech, gay rights, abortion , legalization of marijuana and the second amendment lets not forget an end to crony capitalism. You say you dont want a definition based on the average political opinon? That's a fucking paradox if ever i read one. You know what go home read your daily karl marx and im going to pretend i never read that line.

Except that is the thing. That political scale was written by certain people with certain assumptions. Overall it's a pretty shit metric.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I don't believe radicals are less intelligent than moderates. I have seen no evidence to the contrary.

[Risottia]

Define "moderate".
I could consider, let's say, NOT lining up the bourgeois (hey, only those aged 0-199) against a wall and shooting them with a machinegun to be a sign of extreme moderation - to the point of a suspect of counter-revolutionary activities, actually.
Some other ones (the pig-dog lackeys of the imperialistic capitalism) could say that a progressive income tax is a policy only a kid-eating, liberty-raping commie extremist would support.
Lacking a meaningful and cogent definition of "moderate" and "extremist" that isn't strictly dependant on the "average" political opinion in that place and in that moment, the OP makes very little sense.

See theres this great thing called the political scale. It runs on an x-y axis ya know? Its on that x-y axis chart given out during science and math lessons as a kid?

See, if it were a SCALE, it would NOT need to be on a cartesian chart, which is two-dimensional, while a scale would be one-dimensional.
Maybe you should pick someone else if you want to blather about your idea of mathematics.
I do NOT suggest you try and one-up me on that subject. Students smarter than you have tried and failed.

Well i fall dead center on that scale.

How was that "scale" built? Prove to me there's an objective measure of "extremism", and show proof about how it's built.

Now Im sensing a great deal of hositility from leftists like you though. Hmmmmm i wonder why?

Because you're faking oversensitivity to avoid answering the argument.
Also, maybe because when you say "I'm a moderate centrist" you mean "right-winger".

Nit that the left is nothing but bad ideas or the right. But the far left the far right??? Ehhh i don know guy from all the defensiveness amd heat I'm feeling right now

"Oh uh my precious feelings have been hurt."

I'd say you lefties are a little touchy.

Im not calling you socialists stupid or touchy.

Make up your mind. If you can.

All im saying is. Actually screw it you're exactly why i dont think much of extremists.

Exactly where did I claim I'm an extremist?

Youre

Grammar.

narrow corridor of thought is only reinforced by your clearly ludicrous ideas of what a centrist is.

Explain what my "idea of a centrist" is, and why it should be ludicrous. Without resorting to ad hominems... wait, I think we're past that stage, aren't we.

To a centrist who believes in amongst other things such as : progressive income tax. Free speech, gay rights, abortion , legalization of marijuana and the second amendment lets not forget an end to crony capitalism.

You know, sentences do require a verb here and there sometimes.
Could you try and articulate your, let's say, "thought", a bit more clearly?

You say you dont want a definition based on the average political opinon? That's a fucking paradox if ever i read one. You know what go home read your daily karl marx and im going to pretend i never read that line.

Once it has been read, it cannot be unread.
Das Gespenst of that line will haunt your nights from now on.
Unless you buy "MEMORY BLEACH^TM"! Now it comes also in the new "smug centrist" flavour. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

To sum it up, if you wanted to prove that "moderates" like you are more intelligent or more apt at a civil debate, I guess you have failed spectacularily.
The only positive point is that I, unlike you, do not take your personal failure at this attempt as a measure of the intelligence or proclivities of OTHER people.

[Aglanen]

The problem here is that you're basing what is "moderate" and "radical" by your own standards. So what you may consider to be "reasonable" and "civil" may be extremist to someone who differs from your politics.

Take slavery for instance. We may all consider it to be part of the most basic tenants of human rights today that people, and their families, cannot be involuntarily owned as private property by someone else. But just go back a century or so and that was a very radical position, at a time when the politics around it was "how much slavery should be allowed?" not whether or not we should have it at all.

Or how about institutional racism/sexism? The days when taking the position in favor of racial segregation was "moderate" is not even that long ago. Nor women demanding the right to vote was fringe, let alone full equality under the law.

And democracy? Europe was so polarized over that question that it became ravaged with wars and revolutions all throughout the 19th and 20th Centuries.

Point being, what we generally consider to be acceptable or even common sense in the 21st Century is very recent. You only have the existing status quo to base your "centrism" on. Problem being that it's temporary. What is so normal in our society that we barely give a thought to it, will be reviled as either radical or reactionary to our great grandkids.

[Valrifell]

See theres this great thing called the political scale. It runs on an x-y axis ya know? Its on that x-y axis chart given out during science and math lessons as a kid? Well i fall dead center on that scale. Now Im sensing a great deal of hositility from leftists like you though. Hmmmmm i wonder why? Nit that the left is nothing but bad ideas or the right. But the far left the far right??? Ehhh i don know guy from all the defensiveness amd heat I'm feeling right now I'd say you lefties are a little touchy. Im not calling you socialists stupid or touchy. All im saying is. Actually screw it you're exactly why i dont think much of extremists. Youre narrow corridor of thought is only reinforced by your clearly ludicrous ideas of what a centrist is. To a centrist who believes in amongst other things such as : progressive income tax. Free speech, gay rights, abortion , legalization of marijuana and the second amendment lets not forget an end to crony capitalism. You say you dont want a definition based on the average political opinon? That's a fucking paradox if ever i read one. You know what go home read your daily karl marx and im going to pretend i never read that line.

Except that is the thing. That political scale was written by certain people with certain assumptions. Overall it's a pretty shit metric.

I mean, the most popular online political chart had Clinton has some kinda super-fascist and Sanders as a left-auth.

I think they revised it at one point and basically said "it's just hyperbolic satire bros!"

[Washington Resistance Army]

Except that is the thing. That political scale was written by certain people with certain assumptions. Overall it's a pretty shit metric.

I mean, the most popular online political chart had Clinton has some kinda super-fascist and Sanders as a left-auth.

I think they revised it at one point and basically said "it's just hyperbolic satire bros!"

iirc the owner is a super left anarchist type so it's kinda skewed heavily for everyone that doesn't also fall into that exact camp

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There are no objective extremes, nor an objective center, it all depends on the society one lives in. A secular, liberal democrat is an extremist in Saudi Arabia. A North Korean who thinks that possession of American movies should only be punished with 10 years of hard labor instead of death is a moderate there. Nancy Pelosi, portrayed as a far-left socialist by the American conservative media would be seen as a vanilla neoliberal in Europe. Marriage equality is an extremist position in theocratic countries.

Ideologies must be assessed on their merit, not on how close or far they are to what is currently socially acceptable, and it is not rational to make generalizations about intellect based on such intrinsically meaningless concepts as an extreme and a center.

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Calling Noam "father of modern linguistics" Chomsky stupid is such a bad take that my brain can not possibly compute. He's a professor at MIT ffs.

You disagree with him, that's not a sign of his lack of intelligence.

He actually moved to U of Az. The man is also a career academic who's never struggled in his life and as someone who also subscribes to anarchist ideas i could pick his social anarcho syndicast position apart based on the reality of him living in an office and never doing a real days work or seeing the ugly side of life. Part of intelligemce is practical experience. Somethinf Chomsky would know little about first hand. Same goes for ben shapiro but you must hate conservatives so he clearly must be an idiot.

It's funny that you claim to be a moderate when your words betray you as a far-right reactionary. The whole contempt for academia (how dare anyone study such frivolous things as linguistics and sociology instead of doing "real" work) is straight out of the Bill O'Reilly playbook and you are in the esteemed company of young earth creationists.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

No. Extremism is a result of dissatisfaction.

Can confirm. Am dissatisfied; prone to extremism every now and again.

[Valrifell]

No. Extremism is a result of dissatisfaction.

Can confirm. Am dissatisfied; prone to extremism every now and again.

Take your vitamins, that'll help your extremist tendencies.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Can confirm. Am dissatisfied; prone to extremism every now and again.

Take your vitamins, that'll help your extremist tendencies.

With the current state of US politics, I highly doubt that.

[Yusseria]

Extremism has nothing to do with intelligence. Oftentimes it's the result of the social environment one has grown up in.

[Murray land]

See theres this great thing called the political scale. It runs on an x-y axis ya know? Its on that x-y axis chart given out during science and math lessons as a kid?

See, if it were a SCALE, it would NOT need to be on a cartesian chart, which is two-dimensional, while a scale would be one-dimensional.
Maybe you should pick someone else if you want to blather about your idea of mathematics.
I do NOT suggest you try and one-up me on that subject. Students smarter than you have tried and failed.

Well i fall dead center on that scale.

How was that "scale" built? Prove to me there's an objective measure of "extremism", and show proof about how it's built.

Now Im sensing a great deal of hositility from leftists like you though. Hmmmmm i wonder why?

Because you're faking oversensitivity to avoid answering the argument.
Also, maybe because when you say "I'm a moderate centrist" you mean "right-winger".

Nit that the left is nothing but bad ideas or the right. But the far left the far right??? Ehhh i don know guy from all the defensiveness amd heat I'm feeling right now

"Oh uh my precious feelings have been hurt."

I'd say you lefties are a little touchy.

Im not calling you socialists stupid or touchy.

Make up your mind. If you can.

All im saying is. Actually screw it you're exactly why i dont think much of extremists.

Exactly where did I claim I'm an extremist?

Youre

Grammar.

narrow corridor of thought is only reinforced by your clearly ludicrous ideas of what a centrist is.

Explain what my "idea of a centrist" is, and why it should be ludicrous. Without resorting to ad hominems... wait, I think we're past that stage, aren't we.

To a centrist who believes in amongst other things such as : progressive income tax. Free speech, gay rights, abortion , legalization of marijuana and the second amendment lets not forget an end to crony capitalism.

You know, sentences do require a verb here and there sometimes.
Could you try and articulate your, let's say, "thought", a bit more clearly?

You say you dont want a definition based on the average political opinon? That's a fucking paradox if ever i read one. You know what go home read your daily karl marx and im going to pretend i never read that line.

Once it has been read, it cannot be unread.
Das Gespenst of that line will haunt your nights from now on.
Unless you buy "MEMORY BLEACH^TM"! Now it comes also in the new "smug centrist" flavour. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

To sum it up, if you wanted to prove that "moderates" like you are more intelligent or more apt at a civil debate, I guess you have failed spectacularily.
The only positive point is that I, unlike you, do not take your personal failure at this attempt as a measure of the intelligence or proclivities of OTHER people.

Im am more intelligent than you. That much im sure of. You're using a highly sibjective stance and telling me to come up with objective standards? Fuck off. If you were my professor id turn you into my deam and department head for being a sheer twit. As for one uping you ☝

[Kandorith]

See, if it were a SCALE, it would NOT need to be on a cartesian chart, which is two-dimensional, while a scale would be one-dimensional.
Maybe you should pick someone else if you want to blather about your idea of mathematics.
I do NOT suggest you try and one-up me on that subject. Students smarter than you have tried and failed.


How was that "scale" built? Prove to me there's an objective measure of "extremism", and show proof about how it's built.


Because you're faking oversensitivity to avoid answering the argument.
Also, maybe because when you say "I'm a moderate centrist" you mean "right-winger".


"Oh uh my precious feelings have been hurt."



Make up your mind. If you can.


Exactly where did I claim I'm an extremist?


Grammar.


Explain what my "idea of a centrist" is, and why it should be ludicrous. Without resorting to ad hominems... wait, I think we're past that stage, aren't we.


You know, sentences do require a verb here and there sometimes.
Could you try and articulate your, let's say, "thought", a bit more clearly?


Once it has been read, it cannot be unread.
Das Gespenst of that line will haunt your nights from now on.
Unless you buy "MEMORY BLEACH^TM"! Now it comes also in the new "smug centrist" flavour. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

To sum it up, if you wanted to prove that "moderates" like you are more intelligent or more apt at a civil debate, I guess you have failed spectacularily.
The only positive point is that I, unlike you, do not take your personal failure at this attempt as a measure of the intelligence or proclivities of OTHER people.

Im am more intelligent than you. That much im sure of. You're using a highly sibjective stance and telling me to come up with objective standards? Fuck off. If you were my professor id turn you into my deam and department head for being a sheer twit. As for one uping you ☝

Don't you mean "subjective"? and this entire reaction /thread to be fair. Not to mention the fair amount of grammatical errors.

[Farnhamia]

See, if it were a SCALE, it would NOT need to be on a cartesian chart, which is two-dimensional, while a scale would be one-dimensional.
Maybe you should pick someone else if you want to blather about your idea of mathematics.
I do NOT suggest you try and one-up me on that subject. Students smarter than you have tried and failed.


How was that "scale" built? Prove to me there's an objective measure of "extremism", and show proof about how it's built.


Because you're faking oversensitivity to avoid answering the argument.
Also, maybe because when you say "I'm a moderate centrist" you mean "right-winger".


"Oh uh my precious feelings have been hurt."



Make up your mind. If you can.


Exactly where did I claim I'm an extremist?


Grammar.


Explain what my "idea of a centrist" is, and why it should be ludicrous. Without resorting to ad hominems... wait, I think we're past that stage, aren't we.


You know, sentences do require a verb here and there sometimes.
Could you try and articulate your, let's say, "thought", a bit more clearly?


Once it has been read, it cannot be unread.
Das Gespenst of that line will haunt your nights from now on.
Unless you buy "MEMORY BLEACH^TM"! Now it comes also in the new "smug centrist" flavour. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

To sum it up, if you wanted to prove that "moderates" like you are more intelligent or more apt at a civil debate, I guess you have failed spectacularily.
The only positive point is that I, unlike you, do not take your personal failure at this attempt as a measure of the intelligence or proclivities of OTHER people.

Im am more intelligent than you. That much im sure of. You're using a highly sibjective stance and telling me to come up with objective standards? Fuck off. If you were my professor id turn you into my deam and department head for being a sheer twit. As for one uping you ☝

*** Warned for flaming. ***

[Murray land]

Im am more intelligent than you. That much im sure of. You're using a highly sibjective stance and telling me to come up with objective standards? Fuck off. If you were my professor id turn you into my deam and department head for being a sheer twit. As for one uping you ☝

Don't you mean "subjective"? and this entire reaction /thread to be fair. Not to mention the fair amount of grammatical errors.

Im on a phone dont like my grammar...k.

[Murray land]

Im am more intelligent than you. That much im sure of. You're using a highly sibjective stance and telling me to come up with objective standards? Fuck off. If you were my professor id turn you into my deam and department head for being a sheer twit. As for one uping you ☝

*** Warned for balling on these fools. ***

[Kandorith]

Don't you mean "subjective"? and this entire reaction /thread to be fair. Not to mention the fair amount of grammatical errors.

Im on a phone dont like my grammar...k.

That wasn't the only point of my post.... My question is regarding your exact point... And seeing your quote and actually editing a mod warning, your point seems to be, being angry at the world or something...

[NERVUN]

*** Warned for balling on these fools. ***

Congrats, take a *** Three day ban *** for continued flaming and use of the Mod warning tag.

[Murray land]

Im on a phone dont like my grammar...k.

That wasn't the only point of my post.... My question is regarding your exact point... And seeing your quote and actually editing a mod, your point seems to be, being angry at the world or something...

ehh fishing mostly. This site is full of extremeists most of who are intelligent but extremely immature. I knew this was coming but ehh. I got nothing better to do but spar and watch crazies get mad.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Also how does beong a centrist want to preserve the staus quo? I have shared nothing on my personal beliefs which puts you at very little liberty to male such a claim. Also Chomsky amd Shapiro are equally conservative and socialost and Chomsky if we are being honest like Shapiro are both down right idiots half the time...But that my perspective.

“Both sides are wrong, I’m a centrist and have a billion IQ” 100

[Negarakita]

I mean yeah. If you're gonna unironically support something like communism, fascism, anarchism, theocracy etc you can't exactly be fully capable mentally. At best it takes being extremely naive and historically illiterate if not revisionist, but for most people who actually think that some kind of radical societal change based on some dead dude's book is going to do well they're deluded.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I mean yeah. If you're gonna unironically support something like communism, fascism, anarchism, theocracy etc you can't exactly be fully capable mentally. At best it takes being extremely naive and historically illiterate if not revisionist, but for most people who actually think that some kind of radical societal change based on some dead dude's book is going to do well they're deluded.

That is a weak attack on Marxism but your flag is at least partially correct.