AOC in campaign money trouble

[Caracasus]

Improving things is heresy, peasant! Go back to your hovel!

I will go back to my hovel, and I'll improve it!

Ifreann CLAIMS they want to construct wattle and daub timber framed housing like the stuff they make in the valley over BUT STILL LIVES in a hovel!!!

[Valrifell]

The automobile is a crucial part of American culture. Sure, you might not need it to get around, but people without cars and those who don't drive are more likely to be looked down as social failures.

So it's practically a social reality that any half-successful American needs a car to perform success.

[Aclion]

The automobile is a crucial part of American culture. Sure, you might not need it to get around, but people without cars and those who don't drive are more likely to be looked down as social failures.

So it's practically a social reality that any half-successful American needs a car to perform success.

It's a practical reality that anyone willing to drive in new york city is crazy and mentally unfit for office.

[Valrifell]

The automobile is a crucial part of American culture. Sure, you might not need it to get around, but people without cars and those who don't drive are more likely to be looked down as social failures.

So it's practically a social reality that any half-successful American needs a car to perform success.

It's a practical reality that anyone willing to drive in new york city is crazy and mentally unfit for office.

Yes, it is annoying.

Yet it wouldn't be annoying if nobody did it. That traffic and driving in New York sucks is proof that people... drive in NYC. Frequently at that.

[Fahran]

"I think we need better investment in public transport"
"And yet you use a car. Interesting."
"Yes, I use a car because public transport is rarely a viable alternative. That's why I want more investment in public transport."
"Look, I was just trying to smugly make you seem like a hypocrite"
"And yet you proved my point for me. Interesting."

I believe one of the sources shared here pointed out that public transportation was, at times, a viable alternative for her campaign but that it wasn't chosen as often as private transportation - something demonstrated by the financial records available. That sort of got sidestepped a little. Again, this is somewhat outside the purview of the discussion about campaign finance that has more or less concluded.

"You claim we should reform society, yet you participate in society."

Again, it's about how one participates in society. If you want to reduce the number of cows to effect a corresponding decrease in greenhouse gasses, leading by example by boycotting beef is a lot more commendable than continuing to eat beef while wanting to tax it so much that poorer citizens can't afford the same luxury.

tfw your dog whistle accidentally turns into a vuvuzela

I'd ask him what he means by this before jumping to the pitch fork. Does Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez not know her place because she's acting elitist when she's a public servant, because she's a woman and we should all be suitably submissive and quiet, or for some other reason? The other remarks thus far don't inspire confidence, but let's say what the follow-up is.

[Aclion]

"I think we need better investment in public transport"
"And yet you use a car. Interesting."
"Yes, I use a car because public transport is rarely a viable alternative. That's why I want more investment in public transport."
"Look, I was just trying to smugly make you seem like a hypocrite"
"And yet you proved my point for me. Interesting."

I believe one of the sources shared here pointed out that public transportation was, at times, a viable alternative for her campaign but that it wasn't chosen as often as private transportation - something demonstrated by the financial records available. That sort of got sidestepped a little.

That's because they can't actually address the issue. This is why they resort to threadjacking, flaming and strawmanning.

[Valrifell]

I believe one of the sources shared here pointed out that public transportation was, at times, a viable alternative for her campaign but that it wasn't chosen as often as private transportation - something demonstrated by the financial records available. That sort of got sidestepped a little.

That's because they can't actually address the issue. This is why they resort to threadjacking, flaming and strawmanning.

Protip: complaining about threadjacking is threadjacking

[Vassenor]

I believe one of the sources shared here pointed out that public transportation was, at times, a viable alternative for her campaign but that it wasn't chosen as often as private transportation - something demonstrated by the financial records available. That sort of got sidestepped a little.

That's because they can't actually address the issue. This is why they resort to threadjacking, flaming and strawmanning.

Protip: Just because someone isn't using the arguments you want, doesn't mean they're threadjacking or flaming.

[Caracasus]

"I think we need better investment in public transport"
"And yet you use a car. Interesting."
"Yes, I use a car because public transport is rarely a viable alternative. That's why I want more investment in public transport."
"Look, I was just trying to smugly make you seem like a hypocrite"
"And yet you proved my point for me. Interesting."

I believe one of the sources shared here pointed out that public transportation was, at times, a viable alternative for her campaign but that it wasn't chosen as often as private transportation - something demonstrated by the financial records available. That sort of got sidestepped a little.

Hang on, so at times public transportation was a viable alternative.

Public transport wasn't chosen as often as private transportation.

Surely the question then would be a) how many times is "at times"? If "at times" was 30% of the time, then obviously private transportation wouldn't be picked as often.

[Wallenburg]

"I think we need better investment in public transport"
"And yet you use a car. Interesting."
"Yes, I use a car because public transport is rarely a viable alternative. That's why I want more investment in public transport."
"Look, I was just trying to smugly make you seem like a hypocrite"
"And yet you proved my point for me. Interesting."

I believe one of the sources shared here pointed out that public transportation was, at times, a viable alternative for her campaign but that it wasn't chosen as often as private transportation - something demonstrated by the financial records available. That sort of got sidestepped a little. Again, this is somewhat outside the purview of the discussion about campaign finance that has more or less concluded.

Unless those financial records include full road+transit maps of all routes taken by Cortez and her campaign staff, with time stamps or schedules attached to them, I'm not sure how we can get an accurate idea as to how feasible further dependence on public transport was.

[Torrocca]

Improving things is heresy, peasant! Go back to your hovel!

I will go back to my hovel, and I'll improve it!

HERESY! *blam*

I believe one of the sources shared here pointed out that public transportation was, at times, a viable alternative for her campaign but that it wasn't chosen as often as private transportation - something demonstrated by the financial records available. That sort of got sidestepped a little.

Hang on, so at times public transportation was a viable alternative.

Public transport wasn't chosen as often as private transportation.

Surely the question then would be a) how many times is "at times"? If "at times" was 30% of the time, then obviously private transportation wouldn't be picked as often.

Yeah, I'd like to know how frequently public transportation was a viable alternative.

Also... we kinda need to consider the fact that New York's public transit system is notorious for some whacky (and sometimes violent) shit occurring. It's not unreasonable to factor in security concerns as a reason for discrediting this supposed viability of the public transit option.

[Caracasus]

I believe one of the sources shared here pointed out that public transportation was, at times, a viable alternative for her campaign but that it wasn't chosen as often as private transportation - something demonstrated by the financial records available. That sort of got sidestepped a little. Again, this is somewhat outside the purview of the discussion about campaign finance that has more or less concluded.

Unless those financial records include full road+transit maps of all routes taken by Cortez and her campaign staff, with time stamps or schedules attached to them, I'm not sure how we can get an accurate idea as to how feasible further dependence on public transport was.

Not to mention what you're having to cart around with you and that. I imagine that it might be somewhat tricky to get a PA system for example on thr tube.

[Fahran]

Unless those financial records include full road+transit maps of all routes taken by Cortez and her campaign staff, with time stamps or schedules attached to them, I'm not sure how we can get an accurate idea as to how feasible further dependence on public transport was.

That's an actual response to the article that was posted. Most people have been, more or less, talking past it without addressing. I'm not familiar with her district or the availability of transportation there. I do know that there are American cities that I can get around in with relative ease using public transportation. But I largely agree with you. It's not possible to get an accurate assessment based on what the article gave us alone.

Hang on, so at times public transportation was a viable alternative.

Public transport wasn't chosen as often as private transportation.

Surely the question then would be a) how many times is "at times"? If "at times" was 30% of the time, then obviously private transportation wouldn't be picked as often.

I'll allow the person who posted that article to have that conversation. Like I said just now, I don't think the article gives us enough information for us to figure that out at the moment. I was more concerned that the debate wasn't even happening. Talking past each other is bad.

[Kubra]

The automobile is a crucial part of American culture. Sure, you might not need it to get around, but people without cars and those who don't drive are more likely to be looked down as social failures.

So it's practically a social reality that any half-successful American needs a car to perform success.

It's a practical reality that anyone willing to drive in new york city is crazy and mentally unfit for office.

I mean anyone willing to live in New York city is crazy let's be real

[Kubra]

The automobile is a crucial part of American culture. Sure, you might not need it to get around, but people without cars and those who don't drive are more likely to be looked down as social failures.

So it's practically a social reality that any half-successful American needs a car to perform success.

It's a practical reality that anyone willing to drive in new york city is crazy and mentally unfit for office.

I mean anyone willing to live in New York city is crazy let's be real

[Western Vale Confederacy]

You must be actually completely insane if you think that driving around in NYC is better than taking the public transportation network.

[Andsed]

I believe one of the sources shared here pointed out that public transportation was, at times, a viable alternative for her campaign but that it wasn't chosen as often as private transportation - something demonstrated by the financial records available. That sort of got sidestepped a little.

That's because they can't actually address the issue. This is why they resort to threadjacking, flaming and strawmanning.

So your response to people supposedly threadjacking, flaming and strawmanning is to do the exact same things back and then change the title in your thread to be passive aggressive because you did not like what the Mods decided? God what has the world come to these days?

Also can you provide the sources claiming that public transportation was a viable alternative? Because as others have stated that does not seem to be the case.

[Andsed]

You must be actually completely insane if you think that driving around in NYC is better than taking the public transportation network.

I mean for a politician like her it does make some amounts of sense. For security reasons and seeing that all the stuff they have to bring with them it public transportation does seem quite inconvenient and less safe then using private transportation.

[Torrocca]

You must be actually completely insane if you think that driving around in NYC is better than taking the public transportation network.

I mean for a politician like her it does make some amounts of sense. For security reasons and seeing that all the stuff they have to bring with them it public transportation does seem quite inconvenient and less safe then using private transportation.

^

Especially considering how targeted she is by the right-wing, it makes perfect sense to avoid public transportation for security purposes.

[Yusseria]

No one is pretending that. The controversy is related to her preference towards a car when traveling in NYC. You know, the place she lives in works in and represents.

I guess the transit system in NYC was not sufficient for her travel needs and those of her campaign.

Maybe someone should, like, push for improving it.

This spoken by someone who's never been to NYC.

The transit system is more than sufficient. There's a reason many New Yorkers don't have cars or even driver's licenses. Cars are oftentimes too expensive to have there. So AOC, being the good socialist she is, presumably has enough money for a car. One wonders why she didn't redistribute her wealth to help others afford cars.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

You must be actually completely insane if you think that driving around in NYC is better than taking the public transportation network.

I mean for a politician like her it does make some amounts of sense. For security reasons and seeing that all the stuff they have to bring with them it public transportation does seem quite inconvenient and less safe then using private transportation.

Y’all seriously need to take a note from Keanu Reeves.

[Wallenburg]

You must be actually completely insane if you think that driving around in NYC is better than taking the public transportation network.

As was pointed out above, you can't exactly carry a couple hundred pounds of equipment for campaign rallies + events on a bus or in the subway.

[Andsed]

You must be actually completely insane if you think that driving around in NYC is better than taking the public transportation network.

As was pointed out above, you can't exactly carry a couple hundred pounds of equipment for campaign rallies + events on a bus or in the subway.

Also not to mention all of the people on the bus who might hate and want to do harm to her. I mean with all of the rising political violence and tension in the US taking public transportation seems a bit risky for politicians especially ones that can be considered controversial like her.

I mean for a politician like her it does make some amounts of sense. For security reasons and seeing that all the stuff they have to bring with them it public transportation does seem quite inconvenient and less safe then using private transportation.

Y’all seriously need to take a note from Keanu Reeves.

What is your point here?

[Caracasus]

Unless those financial records include full road+transit maps of all routes taken by Cortez and her campaign staff, with time stamps or schedules attached to them, I'm not sure how we can get an accurate idea as to how feasible further dependence on public transport was.

That's an actual response to the article that was posted. Most people have been, more or less, talking past it without addressing. I'm not familiar with her district or the availability of transportation there. I do know that there are American cities that I can get around in with relative ease using public transportation. But I largely agree with you. It's not possible to get an accurate assessment based on what the article gave us alone.

Hang on, so at times public transportation was a viable alternative.

Public transport wasn't chosen as often as private transportation.

Surely the question then would be a) how many times is "at times"? If "at times" was 30% of the time, then obviously private transportation wouldn't be picked as often.

I'll allow the person who posted that article to have that conversation. Like I said just now, I don't think the article gives us enough information for us to figure that out at the moment. I was more concerned that the debate wasn't even happening. Talking past each other is bad.

I've read both articles and frankly they both read like pigfucker arguments. The aim of a pigfucker argument isn't to prove that the person in question is a pigfucker, it's to get them to publicly deny fucking farmyard animals.

It's all barely speculation really, coupled with the occasional 'but she drives a car!' Gotchas. It's honestly a wonder that we're on double number pages.

[Fahran]

Also not to mention all of the people on the bus who might hate and want to do harm to her. I mean with all of the rising political violence and tension in the US taking public transportation seems a bit risky for politicians especially ones that can be considered controversial like her.

There are a number of politicians who ride public transportation, and Ocasio-Cortez and her staffers did on occasion as well. I wouldn't chalk this up exclusively to security threats, especially without knowing the respective budgets for security and given that a single Uber driver can be enough to put someone at risk.