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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:29 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Wow, it's like satire but poorly written.


Excellent question dodge, my good man!

Now refute my points: 1) your idols are hypocrites who don't believe their own teachings, 2) Cortez is a spoiled brat, and 3) you can't be a socialist without being entitled and envious.

I also posted links arguing my point. Try reading those too instead of dodging a question you can't answer.

3) you have no fucking clue what socialism actually is.

Socialism isn’t getting free shit or being entitled or envious it’s about the workers owning the means of production
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:31 pm

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Scomagia wrote:Her and her staff failing to use public transit when she's constantly shrieking about climate change is hypocritical.

It's not even funny. It's just very sad.
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But I am sure you are just a budding leftist beneath all of that. :)

Dude left wing individuals can be assholes and racists and idiots too. And for the record I’m not saying that Scomagia is any of those things
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:31 pm

Thermodolia wrote: You do know that socialism doesn’t equal or even mean wanting or getting free shit right? That’s right wing propaganda and Fox News bullshit

Now, capitalism? Capitalism is all about wanting free shit.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:32 pm

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Conserative Morality wrote:I don't even like AOC, but the hatred sported by so many on the right for her are disgustingly apparent.


Well, perhaps it's because she's an arrogant open Marxist (socialism is a form of Marxism) who neither knows her place nor what she's talking about? She's got more gaffes than Don Quail and the Bush-ismscombined but people take her seriously. We on the right are targetting her because she's being propped up as the future of the Democrat Party.

Spreading awareness about the hypocrite she really is, and how stupid both her words and deeds are, will raise her true self, hidden behind the masks the media gives her, before the American public. This will extinguish out her rising star before her dreams of destroying the Republic (and I mean that literally, the Green New Deal and truly universal healthcare would bankrupt and impoverish the country) can ever come to fruition.

AOC isn’t a Marxist. Not by a long shot
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:32 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Dude left wing individuals can be assholes and racists and idiots too. And for the record I’m not saying that Scomagia is any of those things

At what point do you look at someone taking consistently right-wing positions and say "Nah, it's okay, let's give him the benefit of the doubt"?
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:32 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
He clearly knows she is a Socialist, that she thinks we should all ride the train andgive up air travel, that beef should be rationed to reduce livestock populations, etc. etc. etc., and, may I add, your grandfather's hunch is absolutely correct.

She is spoiled, entitled, and so on and so forth. Her attitude and smug arrogance, as well as her treatment of others, indicates a raising in which she was never told "no" and was always rewarded no matter the circumstances. When everyone gets a participation trophy equal to the winner, no one knows how to lose. (BTW, I don't blame the kids for that entitled mindset. I blame the parents who neither disciplined nor taught them the sort of things. They never asked for the trophies.)

You don't become a socialist without some degree of burning envy, entitlement, and ignorance. I DEMAND FREE CRAP is an inherently spoiled, entitled mindset and the obsession with plundering the rich (who already pay a firm supermajority of taxes, if you use the government definition of "rich", which is incomes exceeding a quarter-million dollars) is one of hatred and greed. HOW DARE that man have more money than me?! He should be cut down to size because it's not fair that he worked harder than I did in life! (Most living rich people are self-made, within their lifetimes, including Bill Gates, the richest man alive, and Jeff Bezos, the second richest man alive.)



E-GADD! People actually care that the man is a master hypocrite!

Bernie Sanders owns three mansions. He sold out his base for a few speeches and free luxury plane rides. He continues to fly on luxury private jets pretty much all the time. Indeed, he spent (IIRC) three hundred thousand dollars on private jets from 2016 AD to the present.

You do know that socialism doesn’t equal or even mean wanting or getting free shit right? That’s right wing propaganda and Fox News bullshit

well tbf true socialism may not meant that but a bastardized version of it could and that's probably what a lot of people in the US who want socialism mean. but to the story I say we bring in an investigator just like muller and show how petty freshman politicians can be. plus Pot meet Kettle......no one has that on here yet have they?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:40 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Dude left wing individuals can be assholes and racists and idiots too. And for the record I’m not saying that Scomagia is any of those things

At what point do you look at someone taking consistently right-wing positions and say "Nah, it's okay, let's give him the benefit of the doubt"?

I’m just saying that one can still be left of center and believe that stuff

I mean for example I’m an authoritarian socialist who’s extremely pro gun
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Postby Liriena » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:43 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I don't even like AOC, but the hatred sported by so many on the right for her are disgustingly apparent.


Well, perhaps it's because she's an arrogant open Marxist (socialism is a form of Marxism) who neither knows her place nor what she's talking about?

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Postby Liriena » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:45 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
He clearly knows she is a Socialist, that she thinks we should all ride the train andgive up air travel, that beef should be rationed to reduce livestock populations, etc. etc. etc., and, may I add, your grandfather's hunch is absolutely correct.

She is spoiled, entitled, and so on and so forth. Her attitude and smug arrogance, as well as her treatment of others, indicates a raising in which she was never told "no" and was always rewarded no matter the circumstances. When everyone gets a participation trophy equal to the winner, no one knows how to lose. (BTW, I don't blame the kids for that entitled mindset. I blame the parents who neither disciplined nor taught them the sort of things. They never asked for the trophies.)

You don't become a socialist without some degree of burning envy, entitlement, and ignorance. I DEMAND FREE CRAP is an inherently spoiled, entitled mindset and the obsession with plundering the rich (who already pay a firm supermajority of taxes, if you use the government definition of "rich", which is incomes exceeding a quarter-million dollars) is one of hatred and greed. HOW DARE that man have more money than me?! He should be cut down to size because it's not fair that he worked harder than I did in life! (Most living rich people are self-made, within their lifetimes, including Bill Gates, the richest man alive, and Jeff Bezos, the second richest man alive.)



E-GADD! People actually care that the man is a master hypocrite!

Bernie Sanders owns three mansions. He sold out his base for a few speeches and free luxury plane rides. He continues to fly on luxury private jets pretty much all the time. Indeed, he spent (IIRC) three hundred thousand dollars on private jets from 2016 AD to the present.

You do know that socialism doesn’t equal or even mean wanting or getting free shit right? That’s right wing propaganda and Fox News bullshit

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Postby Nazeroth » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:46 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
Excellent question dodge, my good man!

Now refute my points: 1) your idols are hypocrites who don't believe their own teachings, 2) Cortez is a spoiled brat, and 3) you can't be a socialist without being entitled and envious.

I also posted links arguing my point. Try reading those too instead of dodging a question you can't answer.

3) you have no fucking clue what socialism actually is.

Socialism isn’t getting free shit or being entitled or envious it’s about the workers owning the means of production


exactly, which is why Socialism is trash, workers can't own the means of production and be fruitful or successful, you have to have a boss/hierarchy in a business.

also, annoying when people say " Military is socialist, why don't you hate that?" because the military is by definition not socialist since the military has nothing to do with the means of production.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:46 pm

Liriena wrote:
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
Well, perhaps it's because she's an arrogant open Marxist (socialism is a form of Marxism) who neither knows her place nor what she's talking about?

oooof

Well I missed that part. It’s not even subtle
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Postby Liriena » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:47 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:3) you have no fucking clue what socialism actually is.

Socialism isn’t getting free shit or being entitled or envious it’s about the workers owning the means of production


exactly, which is why Socialism is trash, workers can't own the means of production and be fruitful or successful, you have to have a boss/hierarchy in a business.

It's not as if the world is full of prosperous co-ops, eh?
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:47 pm

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Well, perhaps it's because she's an arrogant open Marxist (socialism is a form of Marxism) who neither knows her place nor what she's talking about?

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Liriena wrote:oooof

Well I missed that part. It’s not even subtle

tfw you dog-whistle so hard it becomes audible to the human ear
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Postby Nazeroth » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:48 pm

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Nazeroth wrote:
exactly, which is why Socialism is trash, workers can't own the means of production and be fruitful or successful, you have to have a boss/hierarchy in a business.

It's not as if the world is full of prosperous co-ops, eh?


oh it's FULL of them? care to explain how it's FULL of real socialist business's that are successful.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:49 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:3) you have no fucking clue what socialism actually is.

Socialism isn’t getting free shit or being entitled or envious it’s about the workers owning the means of production


exactly, which is why Socialism is trash, workers can't own the means of production and be fruitful or successful, you have to have a boss/hierarchy in a business.

Having a boss or a hierarchy in a company does not capitalism make. Also have you ever heard of collective leadership?

also, annoying when people say " Military is socialist, why don't you hate that?" because the military is by definition not socialist since the military has nothing to do with the means of production.

No I’ve never heard anyone say that
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Thermodolia wrote:You do know that socialism doesn’t equal or even mean wanting or getting free shit right? That’s right wing propaganda and Fox News bullshit

marxism is when bad gubmen gibs, and the moar it gibs the marxister it is

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:51 pm

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Liriena wrote:It's not as if the world is full of prosperous co-ops, eh?


oh it's FULL of them? care to explain how it's FULL of real socialist business's that are successful.

Well you have Mondragon for starters. Plus all of those local farm co-ops
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Postby Nazeroth » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:51 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
exactly, which is why Socialism is trash, workers can't own the means of production and be fruitful or successful, you have to have a boss/hierarchy in a business.

Having a boss or a hierarchy in a company does not capitalism make. Also have you ever heard of collective leadership?

also, annoying when people say " Military is socialist, why don't you hate that?" because the military is by definition not socialist since the military has nothing to do with the means of production.

No I’ve never heard anyone say that



collective leadership isn't necessarily socialism though.

and I have heard it more than once, in person though, not so much online.
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Postby Nazeroth » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:52 pm

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oh it's FULL of them? care to explain how it's FULL of real socialist business's that are successful.

Well you have Mondragon for starters. Plus all of those local farm co-ops


I was told the world is FULL of them, that implies there are many many very successful SOCIALIST style business's

and are these Co-Ops actually socialist?
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Liriena wrote:oooof

They're not even trying anymore, it seems.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:53 pm

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Liriena wrote:It's not as if the world is full of prosperous co-ops, eh?


oh it's FULL of them? care to explain how it's FULL of real socialist business's that are successful.

Well, for one, you've got the fábricas recuperadas in my country (Argentina), many of them still going strong to this day. Then there's the Mondragon Corporation, the USFWC, Kantega, and Suma and the John Lewis Partnership in the UK.
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Scomagia wrote:Her and her staff failing to use public transit when she's constantly shrieking about climate change is hypocritical.

It's not even funny. It's just very sad.
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But I am sure you are just a budding leftist beneath all of that. :)

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Postby Uxupox » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:53 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
exactly, which is why Socialism is trash, workers can't own the means of production and be fruitful or successful, you have to have a boss/hierarchy in a business.

Having a boss or a hierarchy in a company does not capitalism make. Also have you ever heard of collective leadership?

also, annoying when people say " Military is socialist, why don't you hate that?" because the military is by definition not socialist since the military has nothing to do with the means of production.

No I’ve never heard anyone say that


ugh collective leadership. that promotes factionalism and is prone to failure. that type of leadership style is disgusting.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:53 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Having a boss or a hierarchy in a company does not capitalism make. Also have you ever heard of collective leadership?


No I’ve never heard anyone say that



collective leadership isn't necessarily socialism though.

Funny it’s almost like the leadership of a company doesn’t play a role in making it Socialist or not
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