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Postby Vassenor » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:53 am

Pope Joan wrote:never has law become such a pervasive and perverse political tool.
This person is in fact a populist, and no one is more hated in DC than those


Which is why there's one in the Oval Office right now.
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Classic Socialism. Take all the money for your self and left everyone else behind.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:01 am

New Stormhamer wrote:Classic Socialism. Take all the money for your self and left everyone else behind.

That’s not socialism dude
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:02 am

New Stormhamer wrote:Classic Socialism. Take all the money for your self and left everyone else behind.

Careful now that straw looks highly flammable.

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I was interested in creating one before, but I like to get a feeling for a place beforehand so I can come in strong. Is that a problem for you?

Long experience has made me suspicious of new nations heading directly to the middle of threads. They tend to be someone's puppet.
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Pope Joan wrote:She must be doing something right, since the wretched DNC and NYT are distancing themselves from her with their twisted "truths"

I'm not aware of the DNC doing anything to distance themselves from AOC.
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Postby Kubra » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:32 am

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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:No, they are delayed because they are huge construction projects, and huge construction projects always get delayed.

And even if it’s activists, you still have to keep that into account if you want to calculate a time frame.


Not true at all. Big construction projects don’t always get delayed. That’s a big assumption.
we'll sure they don't *always* get delayed but cmon
Yo try out Canada's newest board game, where you play competing construction companies on Federal contracts and have to do as little work as possible without getting audited
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:43 am

New Stormhamer wrote:Classic Socialism. Take all the money for your self and left everyone else behind.


Even though the facts in the case say something completely different? Or is what fits your feelings more important?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:06 pm

New Stormhamer wrote:Classic Socialism. Take all the money for your self and left everyone else behind.

Now that's some boomer-quality memery.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:07 pm

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Liriena wrote:tfw when you hate your own people so much you hate someone you wrongly assumed was one of yours

The absolute Caucacity of this post.

I prefer the term mayoness.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:21 pm

Vassenor wrote:
New Stormhamer wrote:Classic Socialism. Take all the money for your self and left everyone else behind.


Even though the facts in the case say something completely different? Or is what fits your feelings more important?

It's funny that the right talk about how facts don't care about our feelings and then do things like this.
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Postby Uxupox » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:36 pm

Kubra wrote:
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Not true at all. Big construction projects don’t always get delayed. That’s a big assumption.
we'll sure they don't *always* get delayed but cmon
Yo try out Canada's newest board game, where you play competing construction companies on Federal contracts and have to do as little work as possible without getting audited
Seriously, it's a legit fun game, construction and corruption I believe


Ha. That honestly depends on the company and the budget provided to do the work. I think from the 80’s and onward (in the United States anyway) there was a repeal of some that allowed people to essentially drag their feet.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:10 pm

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Chernoslavia wrote:And then where's the fucking motivation to become the next Bezos or Gates if I'm gonna have to give out the majority of my earnings to the government?


The idea that Gates or Bezos would have sat around on their asses given different tax is dumb, most people who start a business do it because they really like what they're starting, not necessarily to be a millionaire.

Both were somewhat in the right time at the right place to start something successful.

Yusseria wrote:AOC keeps getting publicity because she somehow just can't stop herself from saying stupid things. But that does probably tend to happen when one is just naturally stupid.


She came second in the Microbiology category of the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair with a microbiology research project on the effect of antioxidants on the lifespan of the nematode C. elegans.

I'd wager she's far more intelligent than you.


That's quite literally why most people start a business, to make lots of money, but yes it can also be a passion. And if businesses do not earn enough they will not be able to invest much for the creation of new products. People who support dumb things like what AOC proposes don't understand how running a business works or just have a major hate boner for rich people.

That's pretty much true for anyone who starts or runs a business.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:21 pm

Vassenor wrote:
New Stormhamer wrote:Classic Socialism. Take all the money for your self and left everyone else behind.


Even though the facts in the case say something completely different? Or is what fits your feelings more important?


Even though that's quite literally what has happened in countries like Cuba and Venexuela? But yeah, keep on blaming the evil capitalist pigs for somehow disrupting socialist progress I guess
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Katganistan » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:48 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:I dont get all the hate thrown at AOC by Republicans and moderate dems. Shes just another DemSocialist. Not really anything special. She may be a sign the party is moving left, but shes one representative wanting to start a war in her party to drag them to the left. Let her do it. The dems need to become the workers parties the Republicans once were 100, 150 years ago.


The answer is, of course, they see her as a threat.
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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Facts, indeed, are no reason to stop bashing AOC for something she hasn't done.

Where we're going we don't need facts.


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Literally the Hispanic population of the world would like a word.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:11 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Indeed. Nuclear power has the least amount of deaths per capita. Wind is going to lead to lots of dead birds and massively blocked roads in strong winds. Solar can just cause the entire grid to explode if something like a solar flare happens (reminder that the last one was around 1821), causing large fires throughout the world, along with the usual shutting down of electricity and all that. And even if such a scenario were to be avoided, let us remember that solar power is also much more expensive and that clouds can break it. Nuclear is extremely safe, with only c. 100 people having ever died from it, well, that is, excluding nuclear weapons, but let's be honest here: nuclear reactors aren't nuclear bombs.

Building nuclear just takes too long. We need faster change than nuclear can provide.


Building nuclear power plants and getting them attached to the grid can take 5-10 years.

How long is that Mars terra-forming and emigration deal going to take?

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Nuclear plants only take 5 years from the initial date of construction of the facilities.

Yeah, if everything goes to plan, which is most likely won't. It's construction after all. Most plans being built now are behind of schedule. Then, there is the time it takes to actually order power plant, which can take years. So, conservative estimate, let's say 8 years to actually construct a plant. Solar parks can be built in 16 weeks, wind farms in six months. 8 years is just too long, we can't keep consuming fossil fuels at this rate for 8 more years. That money is better spent on solar, wind, and hydroelectric.


Why not both? Some short term solutions while we put the long term ones in place.

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Literally the Hispanic population of the world would like a word.

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Whaddya talkin about? :blink:

I'm Hispanic, and don't have two last names...

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https://www.brighthubeducation.com/lear ... n-spanish/

https://news.wisc.edu/curiosities-why-a ... yphenated/
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:23 pm

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Free African Union wrote:The absolute Caucacity of this post.

I prefer the term mayoness.

If you've ever seen the Life of Boris videos on YouTube, I read 'mayoness' the way he pronounces 'mayonnaise' and I had a giggle.
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Postby Aclion » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:26 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Nuclear plants only take 5 years from the initial date of construction of the facilities.

Yeah, if everything goes to plan, which is most likely won't. It's construction after all. Most plans being built now are behind of schedule. Then, there is the time it takes to actually order power plant, which can take years. So, conservative estimate, let's say 8 years to actually construct a plant. Solar parks can be built in 16 weeks, wind farms in six months. 8 years is just too long, we can't keep consuming fossil fuels at this rate for 8 more years. That money is better spent on solar, wind, and hydroelectric.

5 years is on the long end. There is no reason we should ignore an existing technology, that can be integrated into our existing power infrastructure in favor of the promise that solar and wind will be able to replace fossil fuels in the future. I won't accept the excuse that we should keep stalling because we don't have enough time to build plants that use the technology we have now. If we committed to nuclear power on the same level France did we could eliminate our use of fossil fuel for electricity in 5 year or less, and maybe power our transportation as well, depending on how this affects the cost of electric engines versus internal combustion.
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Eternal Lotharia wrote:Huh.

I must be fake. :p

Or didn't read the first bit of the first article that said one could use one name or the hyphenated father-mother name.

You realize he's playing around right?
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Katganistan wrote:Or didn't read the first bit of the first article that said one could use one name or the hyphenated father-mother name.

You realize he's playing around right?

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The idea that Gates or Bezos would have sat around on their asses given different tax is dumb, most people who start a business do it because they really like what they're starting, not necessarily to be a millionaire.

Both were somewhat in the right time at the right place to start something successful.



She came second in the Microbiology category of the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair with a microbiology research project on the effect of antioxidants on the lifespan of the nematode C. elegans.

I'd wager she's far more intelligent than you.


That's quite literally why most people start a business, to make lots of money, but yes it can also be a passion. And if businesses do not earn enough they will not be able to invest much for the creation of new products. People who support dumb things like what AOC proposes don't understand how running a business works or just have a major hate boner for rich people.

That's pretty much true for anyone who starts or runs a business.


New research from Cox Business has found that more than half of small business owners start their own business in order to be their own boss. The researchers found that people were also motivated by the idea of creating something from the ground up. Overall, nearly two-thirds of respondents said they had started their own business for one of those reasons.

Money, on the other hand, is not a motivating factor for many small business owners: Just 8 percent of respondents said that was their main motivation for starting their own business


Link

I've started two businesses - I'd add the 'be your own boss' is essentially to be free from the constraint of not doing what you really want to do, what you're passionate about.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:41 pm

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Chernoslavia wrote:
That's quite literally why most people start a business, to make lots of money, but yes it can also be a passion. And if businesses do not earn enough they will not be able to invest much for the creation of new products. People who support dumb things like what AOC proposes don't understand how running a business works or just have a major hate boner for rich people.

That's pretty much true for anyone who starts or runs a business.


New research from Cox Business has found that more than half of small business owners start their own business in order to be their own boss. The researchers found that people were also motivated by the idea of creating something from the ground up. Overall, nearly two-thirds of respondents said they had started their own business for one of those reasons.

Money, on the other hand, is not a motivating factor for many small business owners: Just 8 percent of respondents said that was their main motivation for starting their own business


Link

I've started two businesses - I'd add the 'be your own boss' is essentially to be free from the constraint of not doing what you really want to do, what you're passionate about.


Regardless, larger businesses such as big tech will not be able to invest much into making new products with a heavy tax. And businesses will absolutely lose the incentive to be more innovative. Or most will just avoid the tax, either way that’s less money going back to the economy, and less money going towards the government.

Okay? Whether you like it or not there are also lots of people who want to make a lot of money or dreams of becoming the next Steve Jobs and those who would’ve become exactly that won’t get to be as successful or innovative.
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