AOC in campaign money trouble

[Talvezout]

You do realise there is an actual procedure for reporting moderator abuse, and being passive-aggressive on the forums is not it, right?

It's already been reported and apologized for.

I came because of the silly title, but what are we actually discussing here?

The guy to jump started AOC's(and that of many of the New Democrats) campaign has diverted funds from her campaign to his corporations, and AOC is defending it.

I've been looking around and the only article one could find really is just Fox News one, so not exactly the most unbiased. Honestly, at this point there's not really much to talk about

[Andsed]

First off I love how petty and childish this thread title is. But for the topic well it seems there is a very simple solution which is if there is sufficient evidence punish her if not do nothing.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

You do know that socialism doesn’t equal or even mean wanting or getting free stuff right? That’s right wing propaganda and Fox News BS

I know what socialism is and I know the intent. Socialism isn't just giving away free crap. It's about collective ownership of the Means of Production. HOWEVER, free crap is the bait, the lie to trigger envy and greed to get stupid people to go along with the scheme.

Modern socialists use free stuff as a siren song to convince the historically and economically illiterate masses to sign over power to them, which they can (if they're serious about actual Socialism instead of ripping off the capitalist Nordic Model's welfare state) then use to seize the Means of Production. This is exactly how Hugo Chavez got elected, and he did succeed in seizing the energy sector's Means of Production.

With the Means of Production in their hands, Socialism is supposed to be a transitional phase to stateless, classless communism, but surprise surprise, the vanguard never lets go of power.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

The important thing: she's a babe.

She's 7,9 on the hot crazy chart, she's in the danger zone. Stay out of the danger zone.

Unquestionably. The only positive thing she brings to the table is her beauty, which she should, and probably does, takes advantage of when it comes to dealing with men. (-and no, I don't mean she sleeps her way to the top or seduces anyone. I mean that beautiful women have more sway over men in the charismatic sense. If you want to see the former in action, ask Willie Brown.)

[West Leas Oros 2]

You do know that socialism doesn’t equal or even mean wanting or getting free stuff right? That’s right wing propaganda and Fox News BS

I know what socialism is and I know the intent. Socialism isn't just giving away free crap. It's about collective ownership of the Means of Production. HOWEVER, free crap is the bait, the lie to trigger envy and greed to get stupid people to go along with the scheme.

Modern socialists use free stuff as a siren song to convince the historically and economically illiterate masses to sign over power to them, which they can (if they're serious about actual Socialism instead of ripping off the capitalist Nordic Model's welfare state) then use to seize the Means of Production. This is exactly how Hugo Chavez got elected, and he did succeed in seizing the energy sector's Means of Production.

With the Means of Production in their hands, Socialism is supposed to be a transitional phase to stateless, classless communism, but surprise surprise, the vanguard never lets go of power.

Except that what you describe as “modern socialists” are merely radical socdems.

[Ifreann]

Eh, reading through this and the articles I'm seeing an awful lot of "fluff" - I mean she can still be for better, greener transport and have to have her team use cars and that. Quite apart from the security issues, that line of reasoning is a bit like the whole "oh you hate capitalism but you use an Iphone!" gotcha. Yeah, you can criticize a system that by necessity you have to use.

The rest? I dunno. There's a lot of speculation, and when taken with the whole "but she uses cars!!!" crap it just reads like someone's chucking absolutely everything they can at the wall to see what sticks. I doubt it'll convince anyone with an opinion on her one way or the other, but it sure is interesting to see the big guns being deployed on both sides of the acceptable political spectrum against her.

"I think we need better investment in public transport"
"And yet you use a car. Interesting."
"Yes, I use a car because public transport is rarely a viable alternative. That's why I want more investment in public transport."
"Look, I was just trying to smugly make you seem like a hypocrite"
"And yet you proved my point for me. Interesting."

[Torrocca]

She's 7,9 on the hot crazy chart, she's in the danger zone. Stay out of the danger zone.

Unquestionably. The only positive thing she brings to the table is her beauty, which she should, and probably does, takes advantage of when it comes to dealing with men. (-and no, I don't mean she sleeps her way to the top or seduces anyone. I mean that beautiful women have more sway over men in the charismatic sense. If you want to see the former in action, ask Willie Brown.)

AOC: *has numerous accomplishments, including a cum laude Bachelors degree from Boston University in both public relations and economics*
You: "lolol the only positive trait she has is her looks eggs dee xD!!1!"

Gotta love that blatant sexism.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Unquestionably. The only positive thing she brings to the table is her beauty, which she should, and probably does, takes advantage of when it comes to dealing with men. (-and no, I don't mean she sleeps her way to the top or seduces anyone. I mean that beautiful women have more sway over men in the charismatic sense. If you want to see the former in action, ask Willie Brown.)

AOC: *has numerous accomplishments, including a cum laude Bachelors degree from Boston University in both public relations and economics*
You: "lolol the only positive trait she has is her looks eggs dee xD!!1!"

Gotta love that blatant sexism.

Some capitalist: *voices hatred and disdain towards politician viewed as socialist who is also considered to be good looking*
You: “you hate her because she’s a woman and not because you irrationally hate anyone vaguely socialist. SEXIST!!!!”

[Torrocca]

AOC: *has numerous accomplishments, including a cum laude Bachelors degree from Boston University in both public relations and economics*
You: "lolol the only positive trait she has is her looks eggs dee xD!!1!"

Gotta love that blatant sexism.

Some capitalist: *voices hatred and disdain towards politician viewed as socialist who is also considered to be good looking*
You: “you hate her because she’s a woman and not because you irrationally hate anyone vaguely socialist. SEXIST!!!!”

Have you considered that somebody can have blind hatred of multiple different types?

That post was pretty blatantly sexist, either way.

[Caracasus]

Eh, reading through this and the articles I'm seeing an awful lot of "fluff" - I mean she can still be for better, greener transport and have to have her team use cars and that. Quite apart from the security issues, that line of reasoning is a bit like the whole "oh you hate capitalism but you use an Iphone!" gotcha. Yeah, you can criticize a system that by necessity you have to use.

The rest? I dunno. There's a lot of speculation, and when taken with the whole "but she uses cars!!!" crap it just reads like someone's chucking absolutely everything they can at the wall to see what sticks. I doubt it'll convince anyone with an opinion on her one way or the other, but it sure is interesting to see the big guns being deployed on both sides of the acceptable political spectrum against her.

"I think we need better investment in public transport"
"And yet you use a car. Interesting."
"Yes, I use a car because public transport is rarely a viable alternative. That's why I want more investment in public transport."
"Look, I was just trying to smugly make you seem like a hypocrite"
"And yet you proved my point for me. Interesting."

Some muddy field somewhere in Europe, Medieval times

"Peasant! Thou claimst to hate feudalism, yet thou uses pitchforks created under feudalism to storm the lord's castle! Interesting!"

[Thermodolia]

AOC: *has numerous accomplishments, including a cum laude Bachelors degree from Boston University in both public relations and economics*
You: "lolol the only positive trait she has is her looks eggs dee xD!!1!"

Gotta love that blatant sexism.

Some capitalist: *voices hatred and disdain towards politician viewed as socialist who is also considered to be good looking*
You: “you hate her because she’s a woman and not because you irrationally hate anyone vaguely socialist. SEXIST!!!!”

Tbh said poster did say that AOC should know her place

[Hurdergaryp]

Tbh, Ocasio-Cortez would be mostly unimportant except that Republicans insist on giving her free publicity. I find myself largely indifferent to her shenanigans.

BUT SHE GOES TO PLACES IN A CAR WHILE ADVOCATING FOR CLEAN ENERGY, THE HYPOCRITE!!!!!! AND SHE WANTS TO KILL THE COWS!!!!!!!!!!

Suffer not the cows to live, for their continued existence contributes to global warming greatly.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Some capitalist: *voices hatred and disdain towards politician viewed as socialist who is also considered to be good looking*
You: “you hate her because she’s a woman and not because you irrationally hate anyone vaguely socialist. SEXIST!!!!”

Have you considered that somebody can have blind hatred of multiple different types?

That post was pretty blatantly sexist, either way.

Point is, they probably view AOC as dumb because she’s a “socialist”

[Thermodolia]

You do know that socialism doesn’t equal or even mean wanting or getting free stuff right? That’s right wing propaganda and Fox News BS

I know what socialism is and I know the intent. Socialism isn't just giving away free crap. It's about collective ownership of the Means of Production.

Then why did you claim the opposite.

HOWEVER, free crap is the bait, the lie to trigger envy and greed to get stupid people to go along with the scheme.

Um no it’s not.

Modern socialists use free stuff as a siren song to convince the historically and economically illiterate masses to sign over power to them, which they can (if they're serious about actual Socialism instead of ripping off the capitalist Nordic Model's welfare state) then use to seize the Means of Production.

What is Social Democracy?

This is exactly how Hugo Chavez got elected, and he did succeed in seizing the energy sector's Means of Production.

And Chavez is the only socialist that ever was.

With the Means of Production in their hands, Socialism is supposed to be a transitional phase to stateless, classless communism, but surprise surprise, the vanguard never lets go of power.

Marxism isn’t the only socialism. Communism is just stupid and will never happen

[Thermodolia]

Have you considered that somebody can have blind hatred of multiple different types?

That post was pretty blatantly sexist, either way.

Point is, they probably view AOC as dumb because she’s a “socialist”

Eh. Maybe. They also want her to “Know her Place” among other things

[Torrocca]

Have you considered that somebody can have blind hatred of multiple different types?

That post was pretty blatantly sexist, either way.

Point is, they probably view AOC as dumb because she’s a “socialist”

They could just as easily view her that way for both reasons.

Either way, it is sexist to attribute anything she accomplishes to her appearance.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Point is, they probably view AOC as dumb because she’s a “socialist”

Eh. Maybe. They also want her to “Know her Place” among other things

I didn’t see that in the post.

[Liriena]

I came because of the silly title, but what are we actually discussing here?

OP tried to start a two-minutes hate on AOC based on unproven (and politically motivated) accusations of campaign finance violations by people from her inner circle, and spectacularly failed as soon as everybody noticed that all the sources on it were basically making a mountain out of an ant hill. Cue their saltiness because people don't want to spend dozens of pages discussing a nothingburger.

[Vassenor]

"I think we need better investment in public transport"
"And yet you use a car. Interesting."
"Yes, I use a car because public transport is rarely a viable alternative. That's why I want more investment in public transport."
"Look, I was just trying to smugly make you seem like a hypocrite"
"And yet you proved my point for me. Interesting."

Some muddy field somewhere in Europe, Medieval times

"Peasant! Thou claimst to hate feudalism, yet thou uses pitchforks created under feudalism to storm the lord's castle! Interesting!"

"You claim we should reform society, yet you participate in society."

[Torrocca]

Eh. Maybe. They also want her to “Know her Place” among other things

I didn’t see that in the post.

I don't even like AOC, but the hatred sported by so many on the right for her are disgustingly apparent.

Well, perhaps it's because she's an arrogant open Marxist (socialism is a form of Marxism) who neither knows her place nor what she's talking about? She's got more gaffes than Don Quail and the Bush-ismscombined but people take her seriously. We on the right are targetting her because she's being propped up as the future of the Democrat Party.

Spreading awareness about the hypocrite she really is, and how stupid both her words and deeds are, will raise her true self, hidden behind the masks the media gives her, before the American public. This will extinguish out her rising star before her dreams of destroying the Republic (and I mean that literally, the Green New Deal and truly universal healthcare would bankrupt and impoverish the country) can ever come to fruition.

Also, she has the best jokes about her since Dick Cheney. In fact, next to Dick Cheney and the hilarious "Clinton Body Count/mob boss" gags about Hillary, I've never seen better jokes about a politician.

[Thermodolia]

Eh. Maybe. They also want her to “Know her Place” among other things

I didn’t see that in the post.

It was a previous post in this thread.

I don't even like AOC, but the hatred sported by so many on the right for her are disgustingly apparent.

Well, perhaps it's because she's an arrogant open Marxist (socialism is a form of Marxism) who neither knows her place nor what she's talking about?

[West Leas Oros 2]

I came because of the silly title, but what are we actually discussing here?

OP tried to start a two-minutes hate on AOC based on unproven (and politically motivated) accusations of campaign finance violations by people from her inner circle, and spectacularly failed as soon as everybody noticed that all the sources on it were basically making a mountain out of an ant hill. Cue their saltiness because people don't want to spend dozens of pages discussing a nothingburger.

Of course. AOC has become the number one scapegoat for rightists because “reeeeee commie!”

[Liriena]

I didn’t see that in the post.

It was a previous post in this thread.

Well, perhaps it's because she's an arrogant open Marxist (socialism is a form of Marxism) who neither knows her place nor what she's talking about?

tfw your dog whistle accidentally turns into a vuvuzela

[Thermodolia]

Some muddy field somewhere in Europe, Medieval times

"Peasant! Thou claimst to hate feudalism, yet thou uses pitchforks created under feudalism to storm the lord's castle! Interesting!"

"You claim we should reform society, yet you participate in society."

Otherwise known as r/iam14andthisisdeep

[West Leas Oros 2]

I didn’t see that in the post.

It was a previous post in this thread.

Well, perhaps it's because she's an arrogant open Marxist (socialism is a form of Marxism) who neither knows her place nor what she's talking about?

That’s not even the cringiest part of the post. “Socialism is a form of Marxism”.