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Postby Aclion » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:02 pm

Liriena wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Because "Using a car is hypocritical" is some high-quality bad faith bullshit.

I don't even like AOC, but the hate boners sported by so many on the right for her are disgustingly apparent.

And even if it is "hypocritical", it's the epitome of a storm in a tea cup. I ain't cancelling her for that.

Why even discuss it then? It's not the topic of this thread.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:02 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Her critics could try being slightly smarter than she is, but that seems to be too much to ask for.

CM, that's a bit hostile. And we're all kind of talking past one another right now.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:03 pm

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Liriena wrote:I love how obsessed right-wingers are with calling her stupid.


The left wing does the same thing with Trump, if you wanna try and play that card.

Except...Trump’s, y’know, not stupid.

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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:04 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Her critics could try being slightly smarter than she is, but that seems to be too much to ask for.


I would go so far to say that your low-information voter who still believes the Birther conspiracies are, simply by breathing, smarter than Cortez. In fact, I'm not sure it's possible to be dumber than Cortez if you are using politicians as a metric of intelligence. I like to joke that she gives bimboes a bad name.

Also, whenever someone cracks a joke about her, she plays a victim card (usually one based on her biological sex) and whines.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:04 pm

Fahran wrote:CM, that's a bit hostile.

Oh, I'm sorry, let me fix that: "Both sides are equally dumb"

Have I reached peak enlightened centrism yet? I'm getting chills just thinking about taking an actual position.
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:05 pm

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Liriena wrote:And you are purposefully missing the point of her principles and doing what neoliberalism has been doing for years when it comes to environmental policy: making individual consumers responsible, rather than paying attention to the larger picture of systemic and structural issues, particularly on the supply side.

Again, her argument wasn't "individual Americans have to stop using cars right now". Her argument was "invest in more efficient forms of transportation so individual Americans won't need to use gas-fueled cars in the near future". You are holding her to a standard she never set for anyone.

No you are purposefully misrepresenting the point. The point is; why would she expect that Americans would switch from cars to trains simply because they're available, when she, an american herself, still prefers to travel through NYC by car rather then use it's mass transit system. If NYC's mass transport system isn't good enough to convince her to make the switch, how can she expect investment to work in places that aren't as well suited to mass transport, or people who aren't as ostensibly environmentally conscious to make the switch from cars?

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:05 pm

So she’s gonna be president
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:06 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I'm pretty sure that's what the thread is actually about. That's how the articles in the OP seemed to be about, anyway.


Oh. My apologies, it said Cortez was in hot water, so I thought it involved her campaign actions (e.g. boyfriend nominally on staff for a salary, boyfriend with campaign-registered E-Mail, etc.), and not those of her Chief of Staff. I don't hold Cortez responsible for her Chief of Staff's alleged embezzlement.

From what I know about the alleged embezzlement, Alexandria Cortez was innocent in that matter and her camapign was a victim of a man who allegedly betrayed her to line his own pockets. Either way, Cortez's actions are punishable by the FEC issuing a fine; they are petty and not really cause for a criminal complaint.

The Chief of Staff, however, could go to jail for years if he did what they claim he did.

It's Ocasio-Cortez. Her father's family name was Ocasio, her mother's family name is Cortez.


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Liriena wrote:Were all those transactions for her personally?

Her and her staff. The point is the same, she's failing to act on her supposed principles and failing to get her staff to do the same. Why are you so blindly committed to defending her?

If you think about it, her using taxis and planes, both herself and her campaign, instead of buses and trains really just goes to show that buses and trains need more investment. Which...isn't that something she wants? More investment for those things?

And while I'm here having a think, it seems to me that it's usually going to make more sense for her personally to use private transportation these days, even if public mass transit is available. She's a member of Congress, and a fairly controversial one at that. She'd probably need police protection if she was going to take the bus to Capitol Hill every morning, lest some member of the public try to assassinate her before she bans burgers.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:08 pm

Liriena wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Because "Using a car is hypocritical" is some high-quality bad faith bullshit.

I don't even like AOC, but the hate boners sported by so many on the right for her are disgustingly apparent.

And even if it is "hypocritical", it's the epitome of a storm in a tea cup. I ain't cancelling her for that.

Okay, then why not just admit that it's hypocritical? If it doesn't matter, why pretend that it isn't true?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:08 pm

Sicaris wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Socialism in general polls at 37% while Capitalism polls at 56% and Fascism at 9%.

This is before most people even know what market socialism is.


56% is still a majority.

Not for long. Americans still have this idea that socialism = the USSR. When in reality it doesn’t, or at least doesn’t have to.

Market socialism is similar to market capitalism in that you have competing companies except the main difference is that the workers own the means of production
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:10 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Not for long. Americans still have this idea that socialism = the USSR. When in reality it doesn’t, or at least doesn’t have to.

Market socialism is similar to market capitalism in that you have competing companies except the main difference is that the workers own the means of production

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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:11 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Have I reached peak enlightened centrism yet? I'm getting chills just thinking about taking an actual position.


Boy, that is going into my signature. It perfectly eclipses my thoughts on political moderation being cowardice.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:12 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:So she’s gonna be president


Pretty much, yes. Especially if you subscribe to the school of thought that negative reporting on Trump just gave him free ads and won him the election.

The AOC fixation will help her for whatever higher office she seeks.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:13 pm

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Alvecia wrote:Some would argue the first point. Even more would argue the second.


The company is worth billions. And is doing well. I don’t see why you would argue about that.

The country hasn’t collapsed, and has been prospering under him. Argue away.

Nice to know we have dropped the bar for success so far down that Trump is now successful for not destroying the nation
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:14 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Nice to know we have dropped the bar for success so far down that Trump is now successful for not destroying the nation

Next step: "Okay, but the ashes of America could be filled with giant spiders. At least he didn't do that!"
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:15 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Nice to know we have dropped the bar for success so far down that Trump is now successful for not destroying the nation

Next step: "Okay, but the ashes of America could be filled with giant spiders. At least he didn't do that!"


"Well at least the spiders aren't radioactive"
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Conserative Morality wrote:Next step: "Okay, but the ashes of America could be filled with giant spiders. At least he didn't do that!"


"Well at least the spiders aren't radioactive"

"Okay, but they could be MORE radioactive"
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Postby Caracasus » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:16 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Next step: "Okay, but the ashes of America could be filled with giant spiders. At least he didn't do that!"


"Well at least the spiders aren't radioactive"


'Well at least only the car sized spiders are radioactive'
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:17 pm

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Duvniask wrote:The majority of people don't need healthcare? Uh, in what universe do you live? Because in this one, I think I can calmly state most people will end up having need of healthcare services at some point in their life, with the probability increasing as you age. There are innumerable reasons: childbirth, hospitalization for diseases, medication, dentistry, mental health, etc. etc.


Yet most Americans can already afford it. Hmmmmmmmmm.

Um no we can’t
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Conserative Morality wrote:
Aclion wrote:You don't like her but you sure do like strawmanning her critics.

Her critics could try being slightly smarter than she is

I mean, I would say that's not really a challenge...

Then I remember she's an American politician, so most of her critics come from America.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:20 pm

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Valrifell wrote:
"Well at least the spiders aren't radioactive"


'Well at least only the car sized spiders are radioactive'

At last, a green alternative to cars. Literally green, and glowing.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:21 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Her critics could try being slightly smarter than she is

I mean, I would say that's not really a challenge...

Then I remember she's an American politician, so most of her critics come from America.


Insulting the intelligence of people who disagree with you is, ironically, a sign of it lacking.
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Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Her critics could try being slightly smarter than she is

I mean, I would say that's not really a challenge...

Then I remember she's an American politician, so most of her critics come from America.

It shouldn't be difficult. I'm super fucking liberal and I think she's poorly-informed, to say the least. But her loudest critics seem to be about on her level.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:25 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:You think that's bad? Cortez's Chief of Staff allegedly embezzled money out of Cortez's campaign (presumably without her consent) into shell companies (which he owned) that were supposed to do campaign operations. Now that money is gone.

Cortez's thing with her boyfriend is only punishable by a fine, but stealing between eight hundred thousand and one million dollars from your boss' campaign coffers... I'm pretty sure that's a crime!

Allegedly...

The complaint was also filled by a right wing think tank that’s highly secretive itself
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:28 pm

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Conservative Morality wrote:Reminds me of my grandfather. Knows nothing about AOC, her positions, or even her rhetoric.

But he is absolutely convinced that she is entitled, spoiled, etc etc.


He clearly knows she is a Socialist, that she thinks we should all ride the train andgive up air travel, that beef should be rationed to reduce livestock populations, etc. etc. etc., and, may I add, your grandfather's hunch is absolutely correct.

She is spoiled, entitled, and so on and so forth. Her attitude and smug arrogance, as well as her treatment of others, indicates a raising in which she was never told "no" and was always rewarded no matter the circumstances. When everyone gets a participation trophy equal to the winner, no one knows how to lose. (BTW, I don't blame the kids for that entitled mindset. I blame the parents who neither disciplined nor taught them the sort of things. They never asked for the trophies.)

You don't become a socialist without some degree of burning envy, entitlement, and ignorance. I DEMAND FREE CRAP is an inherently spoiled, entitled mindset and the obsession with plundering the rich (who already pay a firm supermajority of taxes, if you use the government definition of "rich", which is incomes exceeding a quarter-million dollars) is one of hatred and greed. HOW DARE that man have more money than me?! He should be cut down to size because it's not fair that he worked harder than I did in life! (Most living rich people are self-made, within their lifetimes, including Bill Gates, the richest man alive, and Jeff Bezos, the second richest man alive.)

Conservative Morality wrote:Next up: BeRniE iS a mIlLionAirE


E-GADD! People actually care that the man is a master hypocrite!

Bernie Sanders owns three mansions. He sold out his base for a few speeches and free luxury plane rides. He continues to fly on luxury private jets pretty much all the time. Indeed, he spent (IIRC) three hundred thousand dollars on private jets from 2016 AD to the present.

You do know that socialism doesn’t equal or even mean wanting or getting free shit right? That’s right wing propaganda and Fox News bullshit
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