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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:33 am

Liriena wrote:And...?

Also, love the Daily Wire. Huge fan of their endless AOC thirst posting. Ben Shapiro ought to remember that he's a married man, though.

Reminds me of my grandfather. Knows nothing about AOC, her positions, or even her rhetoric.

But he is absolutely convinced that she is entitled, spoiled, etc etc.

Amazing how culture wars work.

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Postby Liriena » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:34 am

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Liriena wrote:And...?

Also, love the Daily Wire. Huge fan of their endless AOC thirst posting. Ben Shapiro ought to remember that he's a married man, though.

Reminds me of my grandfather. Knows nothing about AOC, her positions, or even her rhetoric.

But he is absolutely convinced that she is entitled, spoiled, etc etc.

Amazing how culture wars work.

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Well, if Bernie is such a socialist, why doesn't he send himself to the gulag, huh?
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TURTLESHROOM II wrote:You think that's bad? Cortez's Chief of Staff allegedly embezzled money out of Cortez's campaign (presumably without her consent) into shell companies (which he owned) that were supposed to do campaign operations. Now that money is gone.

Cortez's thing with her boyfriend is only punishable by a fine, but stealing between eight hundred thousand and one million dollars from your boss' campaign coffers... I'm pretty sure that's a crime!

I'm pretty sure that's what the thread is actually about. That's how the articles in the OP seemed to be about, anyway.

This is correct. But we're on tertiary strawman now because this is so obviously indefensible that her supporters insist on dying on some other hill.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:35 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Liriena wrote:And...?

Also, love the Daily Wire. Huge fan of their endless AOC thirst posting. Ben Shapiro ought to remember that he's a married man, though.

Reminds me of my grandfather. Knows nothing about AOC, her positions, or even her rhetoric.

But he is absolutely convinced that she is entitled, spoiled, etc etc.

Amazing how culture wars work.

Next up: BeRniE iS a mIlLionAirE

Well ...

In December 1987, during his tenure as mayor of Burlington, Sanders recorded a folk album, We Shall Overcome, with 30 Vermont musicians. As he was not a skilled singer, he performed his vocals in a talking blues style.[349][350] Sanders appeared in a cameo role in the 1988 comedy-drama film Sweet Hearts Dance, playing a man who distributes candy to young trick-or-treaters.[351] In 1999, he acted in the film My X-Girlfriend's Wedding Reception, playing Rabbi Manny Shevitz. In this role he mourned the Brooklyn Dodgers' move to Los Angeles, reflecting Sanders's own upbringing in Brooklyn.[352] On February 6, 2016, Sanders was a guest star alongside Larry David on Saturday Night Live, playing a Polish immigrant on a steamship that was sinking near the Statue of Liberty.


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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:37 am

Farnhamia wrote:I'm pretty sure that's what the thread is actually about. That's how the articles in the OP seemed to be about, anyway.


Oh. My apologies, it said Cortez was in hot water, so I thought it involved her campaign actions (e.g. boyfriend nominally on staff for a salary, boyfriend with campaign-registered E-Mail, etc.), and not those of her Chief of Staff. I don't hold Cortez responsible for her Chief of Staff's alleged embezzlement.

From what I know about the alleged embezzlement, Alexandria Cortez was innocent in that matter and her camapign was a victim of a man who allegedly betrayed her to line his own pockets. Either way, Cortez's actions are punishable by the FEC issuing a fine; they are petty and not really cause for a criminal complaint.

The Chief of Staff, however, could go to jail for years if he did what they claim he did.
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She is from Puerto Rico that you think would happen?

She's from The Bronx.


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Postby Liriena » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:39 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Reminds me of my grandfather. Knows nothing about AOC, her positions, or even her rhetoric.

But he is absolutely convinced that she is entitled, spoiled, etc etc.

Amazing how culture wars work.

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Well ...

In December 1987, during his tenure as mayor of Burlington, Sanders recorded a folk album, We Shall Overcome, with 30 Vermont musicians. As he was not a skilled singer, he performed his vocals in a talking blues style.[349][350] Sanders appeared in a cameo role in the 1988 comedy-drama film Sweet Hearts Dance, playing a man who distributes candy to young trick-or-treaters.[351] In 1999, he acted in the film My X-Girlfriend's Wedding Reception, playing Rabbi Manny Shevitz. In this role he mourned the Brooklyn Dodgers' move to Los Angeles, reflecting Sanders's own upbringing in Brooklyn.[352] On February 6, 2016, Sanders was a guest star alongside Larry David on Saturday Night Live, playing a Polish immigrant on a steamship that was sinking near the Statue of Liberty.


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The worst part? The album's actually pretty damn rad.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:42 am

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Farnhamia wrote:Well ...



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The worst part? The album's actually pretty damn rad.

uh...

rad...

Sure, let's go with that.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:44 am

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Scomagia wrote:What do you mean "and". The posted link clearly demonstrates a repeated preference for dirtier means of travel simply for the sake of keeping the little priss comfy.

Were all those transactions for her personally?

Her and her staff. The point is the same, she's failing to act on her supposed principles and failing to get her staff to do the same. Why are you so blindly committed to defending her?
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Liriena wrote:Were all those transactions for her personally?

Her and her staff. The point is the same, she's failing to act on her supposed principles and failing to get her staff to do the same. Why are you so blindly committed to defending her?

Because I actually like her and her ideas and I don't immediately clutch my pearls when it turns out she's not a 100% pure paragon of the left. Much in the same way I was willing to defend Bernie Sanders when some idiots resurfaced some weird op-ed he wrote once about sexual fantasies.
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Scomagia wrote:Her and her staff. The point is the same, she's failing to act on her supposed principles and failing to get her staff to do the same. Why are you so blindly committed to defending her?

Because I actually like her and her ideas and I don't immediately clutch my pearls when it turns out she's not a 100% pure paragon of the left. Much in the same way I was willing to defend Bernie Sanders when some idiots resurfaced some weird op-ed he wrote once about sexual fantasies.

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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:51 am

Conservative Morality wrote:Reminds me of my grandfather. Knows nothing about AOC, her positions, or even her rhetoric.

But he is absolutely convinced that she is entitled, spoiled, etc etc.


He clearly knows she is a Socialist, that she thinks we should all ride the train andgive up air travel, that beef should be rationed to reduce livestock populations, etc. etc. etc., and, may I add, your grandfather's hunch is absolutely correct.

She is spoiled, entitled, and so on and so forth. Her attitude and smug arrogance, as well as her treatment of others, indicates a raising in which she was never told "no" and was always rewarded no matter the circumstances. When everyone gets a participation trophy equal to the winner, no one knows how to lose. (BTW, I don't blame the kids for that entitled mindset. I blame the parents who neither disciplined nor taught them the sort of things. They never asked for the trophies.)

You don't become a socialist without some degree of burning envy, entitlement, and ignorance. I DEMAND FREE CRAP is an inherently spoiled, entitled mindset and the obsession with plundering the rich (who already pay a firm supermajority of taxes, if you use the government definition of "rich", which is incomes exceeding a quarter-million dollars) is one of hatred and greed. HOW DARE that man have more money than me?! He should be cut down to size because it's not fair that he worked harder than I did in life! (Most living rich people are self-made, within their lifetimes, including Bill Gates, the richest man alive, and Jeff Bezos, the second richest man alive.)

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E-GADD! People actually care that the man is a master hypocrite!

Bernie Sanders owns three mansions. He sold out his base for a few speeches and free luxury plane rides. He continues to fly on luxury private jets pretty much all the time. Indeed, he spent (IIRC) three hundred thousand dollars on private jets from 2016 AD to the present.
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TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
Conservative Morality wrote:Reminds me of my grandfather. Knows nothing about AOC, her positions, or even her rhetoric.

But he is absolutely convinced that she is entitled, spoiled, etc etc.


He clearly knows she is a Socialist, that she thinks we should all ride the train andgive up air travel, that beef should be rationed to reduce livestock populations, etc. etc. etc., and, may I add, your grandfather's hunch is absolutely correct.

She is spoiled, entitled, and so on and so forth. Her attitude and smug arrogance, as well as her treatment of others, indicates a raising in which she was never told "no" and was always rewarded no matter the circumstances. When everyone gets a participation trophy equal to the winner, no one knows how to lose. (BTW, I don't blame the kids for that entitled mindset. I blame the parents who neither disciplined nor taught them the sort of things. They never asked for the trophies.)

You don't become a socialist without some degree of burning envy, entitlement, and ignorance. I DEMAND FREE CRAP is an inherently spoiled, entitled mindset and the obsession with plundering the rich (who already pay a firm supermajority of taxes, if you use the government definition of "rich", which is incomes exceeding a quarter-million dollars) is one of hatred and greed. HOW DARE that man have more money than me?! He should be cut down to size because it's not fair that he worked harder than I did in life! (Most living rich people are self-made, within their lifetimes, including Bill Gates, the richest man alive, and Jeff Bezos, the second richest man alive.)

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E-GADD! People actually care that the man is a master hypocrite!

Bernie Sanders owns three mansions. He sold out his base for a few speeches and free luxury plane rides. He continues to fly on luxury private jets pretty much all the time. Indeed, he spent (IIRC) three hundred thousand dollars on private jets from 2016 AD to the present.

Wow, it's like satire but poorly written.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:53 am

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Scomagia wrote:Her and her staff. The point is the same, she's failing to act on her supposed principles and failing to get her staff to do the same. Why are you so blindly committed to defending her?

Because I actually like her and her ideas and I don't immediately clutch my pearls when it turns out she's not a 100% pure paragon of the left. Much in the same way I was willing to defend Bernie Sanders when some idiots resurfaced some weird op-ed he wrote once about sexual fantasies.

So why not admit when she's being hypocritical? It's okay for people to have flaws, you know. You don't have to pretend that her flaws don't exist.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:54 am

Conserative Morality wrote:Wow, it's like satire but poorly written.


Excellent question dodge, my good man!

Now refute my points: 1) your idols are hypocrites who don't believe their own teachings, 2) Cortez is a spoiled brat, and 3) you can't be a socialist without being entitled and envious.

I also posted links arguing my point. Try reading those too instead of dodging a question you can't answer.
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Farnhamia wrote:I'm pretty sure that's what the thread is actually about. That's how the articles in the OP seemed to be about, anyway.


Oh. My apologies, it said Cortez was in hot water, so I thought it involved her campaign actions (e.g. boyfriend nominally on staff for a salary, boyfriend with campaign-registered E-Mail, etc.), and not those of her Chief of Staff. I don't hold Cortez responsible for her Chief of Staff's alleged embezzlement.

From what I know about the alleged embezzlement, Alexandria Cortez was innocent in that matter and her campaign was a victim of a man who allegedly betrayed her to line his own pockets. Either way, Cortez's actions are punishable by the FEC issuing a fine; they are petty and not really cause for a criminal complaint.

The Chief of Staff, however, could go to jail for years if he did what they claim he did.

We don't know the details yet, but she's in hot water regardless. My best guess is that he funded these campaigns with the intention of funneling money from them and that Cortez was the most successful. But the fact that also these orgs are so closely connected and that she was an officer while they were taking money from her campaign, and also making payments that she benefits from; that personally brings her into it.
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Liriena wrote:Because I actually like her and her ideas and I don't immediately clutch my pearls when it turns out she's not a 100% pure paragon of the left. Much in the same way I was willing to defend Bernie Sanders when some idiots resurfaced some weird op-ed he wrote once about sexual fantasies.

So why not admit when she's being hypocritical? It's okay for people to have flaws, you know. You don't have to pretend that her flaws don't exist.

Because "Using a car is hypocritical" is some high-quality bad faith bullshit.

I don't even like AOC, but the hate boners sported by so many on the right for her are disgustingly apparent.
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Scomagia wrote:So why not admit when she's being hypocritical? It's okay for people to have flaws, you know. You don't have to pretend that her flaws don't exist.

Because "Using a car is hypocritical" is some high-quality bad faith bullshit.

I don't even like AOC, but the hate boners sported by so many on the right for her are disgustingly apparent.

Her and her staff failing to use public transit when she's constantly shrieking about climate change is hypocritical.

I'm not right wing.
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Scomagia wrote:So why not admit when she's being hypocritical? It's okay for people to have flaws, you know. You don't have to pretend that her flaws don't exist.

Because "Using a car is hypocritical" is some high-quality bad faith bullshit.

I don't even like AOC, but the hate boners sported by so many on the right for her are disgustingly apparent.

You don't like her but you sure do like strawmanning her critics.
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Conserative Morality wrote:
Scomagia wrote:So why not admit when she's being hypocritical? It's okay for people to have flaws, you know. You don't have to pretend that her flaws don't exist.

Because "Using a car is hypocritical" is some high-quality bad faith bullshit.

I don't even like AOC, but the hate boners sported by so many on the right for her are disgustingly apparent.

And even if it is "hypocritical", it's the epitome of a storm in a tea cup. I ain't cancelling her for that.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:01 pm

Scomagia wrote:Her and her staff failing to use public transit when she's constantly shrieking about climate change is hypocritical.

It's not even funny. It's just very sad.
I'm not right wing.

Funny, because every encounter I've had with you suggests the opposite.

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But I am sure you are just a budding leftist beneath all of that. :)
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Conserative Morality wrote:I don't even like AOC, but the hatred sported by so many on the right for her are disgustingly apparent.


Well, perhaps it's because she's an arrogant open Marxist (socialism is a form of Marxism) who neither knows her place nor what she's talking about? She's got more gaffes than Don Quail and the Bush-ismscombined but people take her seriously. We on the right are targetting her because she's being propped up as the future of the Democrat Party.

Spreading awareness about the hypocrite she really is, and how stupid both her words and deeds are, will raise her true self, hidden behind the masks the media gives her, before the American public. This will extinguish out her rising star before her dreams of destroying the Republic (and I mean that literally, the Green New Deal and truly universal healthcare would bankrupt and impoverish the country) can ever come to fruition.

Also, she has the best jokes about her since Dick Cheney. In fact, next to Dick Cheney and the hilarious "Clinton Body Count/mob boss" gags about Hillary, I've never seen better jokes about a politician.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:02 pm

Liriena wrote:And even if it is "hypocritical", it's the epitome of a storm in a tea cup. I ain't cancelling her for that.

I don't really think you're being asked to cancel her. It's more of a "maybe she's like all the others in non-ideological terms."

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:02 pm

Aclion wrote:You don't like her but you sure do like strawmanning her critics.

Her critics could try being slightly smarter than she is, but that seems to be too much to ask for.
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