AOC in campaign money trouble

[Sicaris]

Socialism in general polls at 37% while Capitalism polls at 56% and Fascism at 9%.

This is before most people even know what market socialism is.

I wonder if Fascism would poll better if more people know it isn't just "authoritarian bigoted ultranationalism" or "ethno-socialism"(although some forms are authoritarian ethno-socialist ultranationalism; this is basically Ba'athism, Gaddafism, and Strasserism)

hoooooooooooooo boy. This topic.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Socialism in general polls at 37% while Capitalism polls at 56% and Fascism at 9%.

This is before most people even know what market socialism is.

I wonder if Fascism would poll better if more people know thought it isn't just "authoritarian bigoted ultranationalism" or "ethno-socialism"(although some forms are authoritarian ethno-socialist ultranationalism; this is basically Ba'athism, Gaddafism, and Strasserism)

Fixed that for you.

[Uxupox]

She never participated in PR politics? She came here to San Juan and bashed an pretty much bashed an independentista’s way of thinking in Bayamon’s UPR during a charla. Heck she aligned with San Juan’s mayor from time to time(who is on Sanders team on the moment) on some issues.

And are you literally calling everybody a Puerto Rican a racist even though this is the type of mentality we have for both our local and foreign politicians? Our trust in politicians is absolutely non-existent with the scandals we get on a damn weekly basis.

So she said things about Puerto Rico. Did her short stay in Puerto Rico suddenly convert her to a political culture of nepotism and corruption? Is that your argument? Or are you saying that she is corrupt because her mother is Puerto Rican?

When you said 'She comes from Puerto Rico', did you mean that she visited Puerto Rico once and talked about Puerto Rican issues? Or did you mean the heritage of her mother?

No, I mean she specifically aligned herself against PR independence due to her remarks against Ruben Berrios.

[Valrifell]

Here is link for a video on the cost of GND

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLXwA4706Q

Hey guys what if we moderately raised taxes no okay sorry I'll just go

[American Pere Housh]

tfw when you hate your own people so much you hate someone you wrongly assumed was one of yours

Maybe you don’t realize but we puertoricans are a very proud people. El boricua is a sentimentality that reverberates among us most. We don’t tend to even call ourselves American but puertorriqueños and drag the flag everywhere we go. And that’s the type of reasoning we have with Ms. Alexia. She represents us wether she likes it or not.

I see what you mean, my sister-in-law is Puerto Rican

[Sicaris]

I wonder if Fascism would poll better if more people know thought it isn't just "authoritarian bigoted ultranationalism" or "ethno-socialism"(although some forms are authoritarian ethno-socialist ultranationalism; this is basically Ba'athism, Gaddafism, and Strasserism)

Fixed that for you.

Technically, Fascism by itself isn’t what you’re saying it is. The forms of fascist belief that have been practiced are; fascism is more of a tree, and these beliefs that preach things like that are the dead branches.

[Sicaris]

BUT TO RETURN TO THE TOPIC AT HAND.

[Duvniask]

To paraphrase: "people don't need healthcare"
(Even though medical bills is one of the leading reasons for bankruptcy in the US, and having a universal healthcare system is more cost-effective in virtually every other country).

You heard it here, folks. Galaxy-brain material.

The majority of people. Not all of them.

Paraphrasing to make it seem like I said things I didn’t is lying. Don’t do it.

The majority of people don't need healthcare? Uh, in what universe do you live? Because in this one, I think I can calmly state most people will end up having need of healthcare services at some point in their life, with the probability increasing as you age. There are innumerable reasons: childbirth, hospitalization for diseases, medication, dentistry, mental health, etc. etc.

[Sicaris]

The majority of people. Not all of them.

Paraphrasing to make it seem like I said things I didn’t is lying. Don’t do it.

The majority of people don't need healthcare? Uh, in what universe do you live? Because in this one, I think I can calmly state most people will end up having need of healthcare services at some point in their life, with the probability increasing as you age. There are innumerable reasons: childbirth, hospitalization for diseases, medication, dentistry, mental health, etc. etc.

Yet most Americans can already afford it. Hmmmmmmmmm.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

tfw when you hate your own people so much you hate someone you wrongly assumed was one of yours

Maybe you don’t realize but we puertoricans are a very proud people. El boricua is a sentimentality that reverberates among us most. We don’t tend to even call ourselves American but puertorriqueños and drag the flag everywhere we go. And that’s the type of reasoning we have with Ms. Alexia. She represents us wether she likes it or not.

Hey, there you go applying personal characteristics to entire ethnic groups. If only there was a word to describe that sentiment.

So she said things about Puerto Rico. Did her short stay in Puerto Rico suddenly convert her to a political culture of nepotism and corruption? Is that your argument? Or are you saying that she is corrupt because her mother is Puerto Rican?

When you said 'She comes from Puerto Rico', did you mean that she visited Puerto Rico once and talked about Puerto Rican issues? Or did you mean the heritage of her mother?

No, I mean she specifically aligned herself against PR independence due to her remarks against Ruben Berrios.

Alright, but you have yet to explain why that would make her corrupt. She is corrupt because she is Puerto Rican was your original claim. How does this support that?

[Valrifell]

The majority of people don't need healthcare? Uh, in what universe do you live? Because in this one, I think I can calmly state most people will end up having need of healthcare services at some point in their life, with the probability increasing as you age. There are innumerable reasons: childbirth, hospitalization for diseases, medication, dentistry, mental health, etc. etc.

Yet most Americans can already afford it. Hmmmmmmmmm.

Not by themselves, not all cases, not all plans.

But, you know, digressions n stuff

[Scomagia]

Tbh, Ocasio-Cortez would be mostly unimportant except that Republicans insist on giving her free publicity. I find myself largely indifferent to her shenanigans.

BUT SHE GOES TO PLACES IN A CAR WHILE ADVOCATING FOR CLEAN ENERGY, THE HYPOCRITE!!!!!! AND SHE WANTS TO KILL THE COWS!!!!!!!!!!

When she chooses cars over easily available public transportation while screeching about how we're all gonna die from climate change she does look like a hypocrite. Hypocrites are nothing new in politics, however.

As far as the campaign finance stuff goes, I wouldn't be surprised if it were true that she is a hypocrite there, too. That said, I'll be waiting for more information before I accept that it's true.

[American Pere Housh]

Here is link for a video on the cost of GND

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLXwA4706Q

Hey guys what if we moderately raised taxes no okay sorry I'll just go

93 trillion dollars is how much it the GND will cost. Do you know where 97% of Rare Earth Elements that are used in car batteries are found without looking it up on Google?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The majority of people don't need healthcare? Uh, in what universe do you live? Because in this one, I think I can calmly state most people will end up having need of healthcare services at some point in their life, with the probability increasing as you age. There are innumerable reasons: childbirth, hospitalization for diseases, medication, dentistry, mental health, etc. etc.

Yet most Americans can already afford it. Hmmmmmmmmm.

If you define 'most' as 'more than 50%', then sure. But maybe that should not be the range a modern nation should be looking for.

Even if it were true, then we still got a minority of people who are not cared for, and that is an insufferable injustice.

[Liriena]

You disagreeing with the Green New Deal and Medicare-For-All doesn't make her stupid any more that me disagreeing with you would make you stupid.

“A Green New Deal is a massive investment in renewable energy production and would not include creating new nuclear plants. It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years…”

In other words, “decommission nuclear power plants” even though they’re easily some of the best and most economical solutions for clean energy.

“Totally overhaul transportation by massively expanding electric vehicle manufacturing, build charging stations everywhere, build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary, create affordable public transit available to all, with goal to replace every combustion-engine vehicle.”

So, stopping air travel...for whatever reason.

“The same way we paid for the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailout and extended quantitative easing programs. The same way we paid for World War II and all our current wars. The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit.
…so the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity.”

In other words, “don’t worry about paying for it, we’ll do it...somehow. because that’s just how things work!”.

“Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local
Guarantee a job with family-sustaining wages
Protect right of all workers to unionize and organize
Strengthen and enforce labor, workplace health and safety”

Forcing people to have Union jobs to make a sustainable amount of money. Nice.

“Massive federal investments and assistance to organizations and businesses participating in the green new deal and ensuring the public gets a return on that investment”

So, “do our stupid thing, we give you money”.

Yeah, she’s so smart and amazing and the Green New Deal is such a great and well designed concept.

Honestly, please examine the bills you support.

So this is your attempt to argue against the bill? Because I'm just as hyped for it as I was before... except for the part about nuclear energy. Nuclear energy is good and, while it's not it's own solution, it ought to go hand in hand with renewables.

[Duvniask]

The majority of people don't need healthcare? Uh, in what universe do you live? Because in this one, I think I can calmly state most people will end up having need of healthcare services at some point in their life, with the probability increasing as you age. There are innumerable reasons: childbirth, hospitalization for diseases, medication, dentistry, mental health, etc. etc.

Yet most Americans can already afford it. Hmmmmmmmmm.

Most Americans can afford over-priced healthcare that is less cost-effective than in other countries with universal healthcare, and which continues to needlessly bankrupt thousands of Americans each year? Worst point ever.

And they seemingly can't afford it.

[Liriena]

Here is link for a video on the cost of GND

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLXwA4706Q

I'd rather have a link to the actual study.

[Sicaris]

“A Green New Deal is a massive investment in renewable energy production and would not include creating new nuclear plants. It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years…”

In other words, “decommission nuclear power plants” even though they’re easily some of the best and most economical solutions for clean energy.

“Totally overhaul transportation by massively expanding electric vehicle manufacturing, build charging stations everywhere, build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary, create affordable public transit available to all, with goal to replace every combustion-engine vehicle.”

So, stopping air travel...for whatever reason.

“The same way we paid for the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailout and extended quantitative easing programs. The same way we paid for World War II and all our current wars. The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit.
…so the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity.”

In other words, “don’t worry about paying for it, we’ll do it...somehow. because that’s just how things work!”.

“Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local
Guarantee a job with family-sustaining wages
Protect right of all workers to unionize and organize
Strengthen and enforce labor, workplace health and safety”

Forcing people to have Union jobs to make a sustainable amount of money. Nice.

“Massive federal investments and assistance to organizations and businesses participating in the green new deal and ensuring the public gets a return on that investment”

So, “do our stupid thing, we give you money”.

Yeah, she’s so smart and amazing and the Green New Deal is such a great and well designed concept.

Honestly, please examine the bills you support.

So this is your attempt to argue against the bill? Because I'm just as hyped for it as I was before... except for the part about nuclear energy. Nuclear energy is good and, while it's not it's own solution, it ought to go hand in hand with renewables.

But why are you hyped for it? It won’t go through, you realize.

[Liriena]

BUT TO RETURN TO THE TOPIC AT HAND.

There's nothing there. A right-wing organization with a clear agenda is asking the FCE to check is something bad was done.

[Scomagia]

She's unlikable, but that's not enough to make her guilty of anything, and there are serious reservations to be had about the accusations considering who they're coming from. People should take a step back and consider that.

Pretty much. I find her to be a smug fool but doesn't mean I'm going to accept things like this immediately.

[Uxupox]

Maybe you don’t realize but we puertoricans are a very proud people. El boricua is a sentimentality that reverberates among us most. We don’t tend to even call ourselves American but puertorriqueños and drag the flag everywhere we go. And that’s the type of reasoning we have with Ms. Alexia. She represents us wether she likes it or not.

Hey, there you go applying personal characteristics to entire ethnic groups. If only there was a word to describe that sentiment.

No, I mean she specifically aligned herself against PR independence due to her remarks against Ruben Berrios.

Alright, but you have yet to explain why that would make her corrupt. She is corrupt because she is Puerto Rican was your original claim. How does this support that?

Go ahead and read this study. It explains how corruption is sadly ingrained in our culture and why it won’t go away any time soon.

[American Pere Housh]

Here is link for a video on the cost of GND

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLXwA4706Q

I'd rather have a link to the actual study.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/green-new-deal-93-trillion-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/

[Caleonia]

Hey, there you go applying personal characteristics to entire ethnic groups. If only there was a word to describe that sentiment.



Alright, but you have yet to explain why that would make her corrupt. She is corrupt because she is Puerto Rican was your original claim. How does this support that?

Go ahead and read this [url=http://www.agencias.pr.gov/agencias/cdc/InstitutoEducacion/Libros/Derechos%20humanos%20y%20corrupción%20Digital.pdf]study[/url]. It explains how corruption is sadly ingrained in our culture and why it won’t go away any time soon.

...That article doesn’t exist. I wonder why.

[Rezmaeristan]

BUT TO RETURN TO THE TOPIC AT HAND.

There's nothing there. A right-wing organization with a clear agenda is asking the FCE to check is something bad was done.

Does the organization's affiliation matter? If the FCE finds nothing bad was done, nothing bad was done, and this was a nothing burger. Like Muh Russia.

[Liriena]

BUT SHE GOES TO PLACES IN A CAR WHILE ADVOCATING FOR CLEAN ENERGY, THE HYPOCRITE!!!!!! AND SHE WANTS TO KILL THE COWS!!!!!!!!!!

When she chooses cars over easily available public transportation while screeching about how we're all gonna die from climate change she does look like a hypocrite.

To quote the woman herself: https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1102021054363586561

Living in the world as it is isn’t an argument against working towards a better future.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1102235167723274240

The Post put the fact that I get into cars (while proposing a plan to invest in better car technology) on their front page

Her proposal was never "stop using cars right now".