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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:04 am

Dogmeat wrote:Tbh, Ocasio-Cortez would be mostly unimportant except that Republicans insist on giving her free publicity. I find myself largely indifferent to her shenanigans.


They'll stop doing this if she keeps bringing up market socialism, you can count on it. The face of that one guy on fox when she corrected him on what socialism means and offered alternatives says it all, they know full well they are misleading their audience and don't want them to know about market socialism.
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Postby Sicaris » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:05 am

Liriena wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:-shakes head at the pure stupidity of this women.-
As they always say, you can't cure stupid.

I love how obsessed right-wingers are with calling her stupid.


The left wing does the same thing with Trump, if you wanna try and play that card.

Except...Trump’s, y’know, not stupid.
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She is from Puerto Rico that you think would happen?
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Ostroeuropa wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Tbh, Ocasio-Cortez would be mostly unimportant except that Republicans insist on giving her free publicity. I find myself largely indifferent to her shenanigans.


They'll stop doing this if she keeps bringing up market socialism, you can count on it. The face of that one guy on fox when she corrected him on what socialism means and offered alternatives says it all, they know full well they are misleading their audience and don't want them to know about market socialism.


Socialism is still socialism.

E.g. bad. And most Americans don’t want it.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:06 am

Sicaris wrote:An idiot does idiotic things. Why am I not surprised?


Liriena wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:-shakes head at the pure stupidity of this women.-
As they always say, you can't cure stupid.

I love how obsessed right-wingers are with calling her stupid.


This is coming from the same side of the political spectrum that looked at a know-nothing boomer with a melting brain and the vocabulary of a toddler and said "That's president material, brah".
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:07 am

American Pere Housh wrote:-shakes head at the pure stupidity of this women.-
As they always say, you can't cure stupid and AOC is the definition of stupid. :p

You forgot to pair that with an unflattering picture of her.

Not that that would give your comments any more content, though.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:07 am

Sicaris wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
They'll stop doing this if she keeps bringing up market socialism, you can count on it. The face of that one guy on fox when she corrected him on what socialism means and offered alternatives says it all, they know full well they are misleading their audience and don't want them to know about market socialism.


Socialism is still socialism.

E.g. bad. And most Americans don’t want it.


Socialism in general polls at 37% while Capitalism polls at 56% and Fascism at 9%.

This is before most people even know what market socialism is.
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Postby Sicaris » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:08 am

Liriena wrote:
Sicaris wrote:An idiot does idiotic things. Why am I not surprised?


Liriena wrote:I love how obsessed right-wingers are with calling her stupid.


This is coming from the same side of the political spectrum that looked at a know-nothing boomer with a melting brain and the vocabulary of a toddler and said "That's president material, brah".


And yet he could successfully run a multi-billion dollar business? And has effectively governed a country like “so many” people thought he couldn’t?
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Postby Uxupox » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:08 am

American Pere Housh wrote:
Uxupox wrote:Ella es de Puerto Rico que tu crees que iba a pasar?



She is from Puerto Rico that you think would happen?


Tell me one single polician right here in PR that isn’t sweating bullets when the FBI announced new investigations for being literal bandidos.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:08 am

Uxupox wrote:Ella es de Puerto Rico que tu crees que iba a pasar?

Racism is also racism if it is in Spanish.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:08 am

Sicaris wrote:
Liriena wrote:I love how obsessed right-wingers are with calling her stupid.


The left wing does the same thing with Trump, if you wanna try and play that card.

Except...Trump’s, y’know, not stupid.

Counterpoint: Ocasio-Cortez has shown multiple times that she is not just smart, but also willing to keep learning and show the receipts. Trump has repeatedly shown that he doesn't understand anything other than showmanship and has no curiosity to learn. But sure, it's the demsucc who tweets about medicare-for-all and how maybe we shouldn't boil our own planet that's stupid.
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Postby Sicaris » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:08 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
Socialism is still socialism.

E.g. bad. And most Americans don’t want it.


Socialism in general polls at 37% while Capitalism polls at 56% and Fascism at 9%.

This is before most people even know what market socialism is.


56% is still a majority.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:09 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:-shakes head at the pure stupidity of this women.-
As they always say, you can't cure stupid and AOC is the definition of stupid. :p

You forgot to pair that with an unflattering picture of her.

Not that that would give your comments any more content, though.

Where's that picture right-wingers love to repost where she has her mouth wide open?
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Postby Duvniask » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:10 am

Aclion wrote:
Liriena wrote:BUT SHE GOES TO PLACES IN A CAR WHILE ADVOCATING FOR CLEAN ENERGY, THE HYPOCRITE!!!!!! AND SHE WANTS TO KILL THE COWS!!!!!!!!!!

It's not that so much that she was using a car to travel between places that are better served by rail anyway while arguing for replacing cars with rail, and arguing for an end to meat eating while eating a burger. Rules for thee not for me is always going to be called out.

Wasn't her opinion essentially that we should eat less meat? Calling her out for eating one meal is pretty stupid.

And was she even eating a burger? As far as I know, from the picture I've seen, the guy next to her was the one eating it...
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Postby Sicaris » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:10 am

Liriena wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
The left wing does the same thing with Trump, if you wanna try and play that card.

Except...Trump’s, y’know, not stupid.

Counterpoint: Ocasio-Cortez has shown multiple times that she is not just smart, but also willing to keep learning and show the receipts. Trump has repeatedly shown that he doesn't understand anything other than showmanship and has no curiosity to learn. But sure, it's the demsucc who tweets about medicare-for-all and how maybe we shouldn't boil our own planet that's stupid.


The New Green Deal is quite possibly one of the absolute stupidest bills that ever could have been proposed to the United States Congress. Don’t defend it, the flaws have been pointed out hundreds of times.

She doesn’t realize, at the same time, that “healthcare for all” is a reality we will not live. Get over it. We don’t need to pay exorbitant amounts of money, money that we don’t need to spend there and could use for much better things, for something that most people won’t use and don’t need.
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:11 am

Sicaris wrote:
Liriena wrote:


This is coming from the same side of the political spectrum that looked at a know-nothing boomer with a melting brain and the vocabulary of a toddler and said "That's president material, brah".


And yet he could successfully run a multi-billion dollar business? And has effectively governed a country like “so many” people thought he couldn’t?

Some would argue the first point. Even more would argue the second.

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Liriena wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:You forgot to pair that with an unflattering picture of her.

Not that that would give your comments any more content, though.

Where's that picture right-wingers love to repost where she has her mouth wide open?


Where’s that picture left-wingers love to repost where he has his mouth wide open?
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Postby Uxupox » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:12 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Uxupox wrote:Ella es de Puerto Rico que tu crees que iba a pasar?

Racism is also racism if it is in Spanish.


??? Lol last September in the senate they approved a bill that empowers politicians to defend them selves from any sort of indictment or probes. The nepotism and corruption here is insane.
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Alvecia wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
And yet he could successfully run a multi-billion dollar business? And has effectively governed a country like “so many” people thought he couldn’t?

Some would argue the first point. Even more would argue the second.


The company is worth billions. And is doing well. I don’t see why you would argue about that.

The country hasn’t collapsed, and has been prospering under him. Argue away.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:13 am

Sicaris wrote:
Liriena wrote:


This is coming from the same side of the political spectrum that looked at a know-nothing boomer with a melting brain and the vocabulary of a toddler and said "That's president material, brah".


And yet he could successfully run a multi-billion dollar business? And has effectively governed a country like “so many” people thought he couldn’t?

1) Trump was only able to have a business because of his father's wealth, has repeatedly bankrupted several businesses, has a proven tendency to vastly overstate his own wealth and has never presented credible proof of being an actual billionaire.
2) Oh, yeah, he's governed so effectively that he hasn't fulfilled most of his campaign promises, the one he did fulfill (his tax reform) turned out to be a vastly unpopular redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top, and he's consistently breaking records in public disapproval.

Meanwhile, pretty much every policy in AOC's platform has broad popular support.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:13 am

Sicaris wrote:
Liriena wrote:Counterpoint: Ocasio-Cortez has shown multiple times that she is not just smart, but also willing to keep learning and show the receipts. Trump has repeatedly shown that he doesn't understand anything other than showmanship and has no curiosity to learn. But sure, it's the demsucc who tweets about medicare-for-all and how maybe we shouldn't boil our own planet that's stupid.


The New Green Deal is quite possibly one of the absolute stupidest bills that ever could have been proposed to the United States Congress. Don’t defend it, the flaws have been pointed out hundreds of times.

She doesn’t realize, at the same time, that “healthcare for all” is a reality we will not live. Get over it. We don’t need to pay exorbitant amounts of money, money that we don’t need to spend there and could use for much better things, for something that most people won’t use and don’t need.


Not to drag this down into tangent, but the "it'll never happen, get over it" is not only not an argument, it's also wrong because the public option would be cheaper per American.
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Uxupox wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Racism is also racism if it is in Spanish.


??? Lol last September in the senate they approved a bill that empowers politicians to defend them selves from any sort of indictment or probes. The nepotism and corruption here is insane.

She was born and raised in the Bronx, and never participated in Puerto Rican politics. So are you saying that she would be corrupt because her mother came from Puerto Rico? Because that would be a racist point to make.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:14 am

Duvniask wrote:
Aclion wrote:It's not that so much that she was using a car to travel between places that are better served by rail anyway while arguing for replacing cars with rail, and arguing for an end to meat eating while eating a burger. Rules for thee not for me is always going to be called out.

Wasn't her opinion essentially that we should eat less meat? Calling her out for eating one meal is pretty stupid.

And was she even eating a burger? As far as I know, from the picture I've seen, the guy next to her was the one eating it...

Facts are SJWs. She was seen in the vicinity of a burger which means she's a stupid hypocrite and I don't have a crush on her I swear!
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:14 am

Sicaris wrote:
Liriena wrote:Where's that picture right-wingers love to repost where she has her mouth wide open?


Where’s that picture left-wingers love to repost where he has his mouth wide open?

Who are you talking about?

More importantly: do you agree with that supposed conduct or not?
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