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WWF hires paramilitary torturers to guard animals

Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:43 am

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... -of-people

WWF accused of funding guards who 'tortured and killed scores of people'


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The charity is accused of supporting anti-poaching units that attacked, sexually assaulted, shot and killed villagers. It is also accused of providing paramilitary forces with salaries, training and supplies – including knives, night vision goggles, riot gear and batons – and funding raids on villages.

WWF operated like a “global spymaster”, organising, financing and running networks of “informants”, to provide park authorities with intelligence, while publicly denying working with informants, Buzzfeed reported. The investigation will also look at claims WWF embroiled itself in a botched arms deal, in the Central African Republic, to buy assault rifles from an army that paraded severed heads of criminals though the streets.


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“At the heart of WWF’s work are places and the people who live in them. Respect for human rights is at the core of our mission.


No, it isn't. Protecting animals is. You're doing a pretty good job of that it'd seem, too good a job really. I mean, I get it, terrorize the humans and the animals will be left alone. It's just, you know.

Though it's worth noting WWF has been the target of shenanigans before;

The news follows mediation by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) in 2017 into claims by Survival International that WWF had not gained the free, prior and informed consent of indigenous people, the Baku, in Cameroon, when setting up protected areas.

Survival International later dropped its complaint. WWF, which denied the allegations, said it was “appalled” by the NGO’s decision to abandon the process it had triggered. The OECD criticized SI over a breach of confidentiality rules and “inaccurate” description of the mediation.


So NSG, is this the start of a secret environmentalism shogunate?

More seriously, leaving it up to independent organization to hire paramilitaries to protect animals means this kind of thing is inevitable. Paramilitaries do not have the training, accountability, culture, nor oversight to adequately take on this task without this kind of thing. It should be a government or international effort. The accusations against WWF, if proven true, might lead to a withdrawel of support for these paramilitaries, which may see a rise in poaching again.


Examples from Buzzfeed:

Shikharam was in too much pain to swallow. He crawled toward Hira, his thin body covered in bruises, and told her through sobs that forest rangers were torturing him. “They beat him mercilessly and put saltwater in his nose and mouth,” Hira later told police.

The rangers believed that Shikharam helped his son bury a rhinoceros horn in his backyard. They couldn’t find the horn, but they threw Shikharam in their jail anyway, court documents filed by the prosecution show.

Nine days later, he was dead. An autopsy showed seven broken ribs and “blue marks and bruises” all over his body. Seven eyewitnesses corroborated his wife’s account of nonstop beatings. Three park officials, including the chief warden, were arrested and charged with murder. WWF’s staff on the ground in Nepal leaped into action — not to demand justice, but to lobby for the charges to disappear. When the Nepalese government dropped the case months later, the charity declared it a victory in the fight against poaching.


That's obviously concerning. The lack of due process as well as extremes of capital punishment, let alone the torture involved, and the fact the charity appears to take the view that it should put pressure on governments to ignore this behavior suggests it isn't oversight but a cultural issue at the charity.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:45 am

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:48 am

Ifreann wrote:Arm animals.


They'd mostly use them on eachother.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:50 am

If the WWF purchased arms from an army that tortured and killed people, wouldn't this make the World Wildlife Fund a sponsor of terrorism?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:50 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Arm animals.


They'd mostly use them on eachother.

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They'd mostly use them on eachother.

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For a second I thought we where talking about the WWE and not the WWF
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Thermodolia wrote:For a second I thought we where talking about the WWE and not the WWF

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Thermodolia wrote:For a second I thought we where talking about the WWE and not the WWF


Yea me too. Stone cold hiring killers I thought it would be.
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Thermodolia wrote:For a second I thought we where talking about the WWE and not the WWF


Yea me too. Stone cold hiring killers I thought it would be.

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Hmm. The latest charity getting embroiled in scandal.
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Postby Uxupox » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:06 am

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Yea me too. Stone cold hiring killers I thought it would be.

Promos are getting intense


Ha. That’s one way of saying it.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:35 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
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Yea me too. Stone cold hiring killers I thought it would be.

Promos are getting intense

Yeah it ain´t fake anymore. :twisted:
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Postby Andsed » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:41 am

Also what is it with animal right groups doing illegal awful shit? I mean look at this incident and all the shit PETA has done.
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Thermodolia wrote:For a second I thought we where talking about the WWE and not the WWF


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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:44 am

Need a better source than BuzzFeed. It's a bit like citing scary movie 4 at this point. Nobody is sure if we are suppose to laugh or not but we know most of it is nonsensical.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:44 am

Andsed wrote:Also what is it with animal right groups doing illegal awful shit? I mean look at this incident and all the shit PETA has done.

Well, at least the WWF isn't killing what it's supposed to be protecting. That counts for something, I suppose.
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Postby The Grims » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:46 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Andsed wrote:Also what is it with animal right groups doing illegal awful shit? I mean look at this incident and all the shit PETA has done.

Well, at least the WWF isn't killing what it's supposed to be protecting. That counts for something, I suppose.


I wonder if it is effective as a deterrent. Is poaching going down since this was implemented ?

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Postby Heloin » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:50 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Andsed wrote:Also what is it with animal right groups doing illegal awful shit? I mean look at this incident and all the shit PETA has done.

Well, at least the WWF isn't killing what it's supposed to be protecting. That counts for something, I suppose.

PETA would also probably double down if they were doing this and say it's great. The WWF weather or not the did this knowingly are acknowledging that this is in fact, a bad thing.

I'm not defending the WWF for doing this I'd like to point out. I understand the use of paramilitary groups in regards to anti-poaching operations, but they clearly should have had more overhead and much stronger checks on who was getting money.
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The Grims wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Well, at least the WWF isn't killing what it's supposed to be protecting. That counts for something, I suppose.


I wonder if it is effective as a deterrent. Is poaching going down since this was implemented ?

Paramilitary organisations working in anti-poaching roles is fairly effective, see groups like the IAPF. The big problem for the effectiveness of these kind of tatics is places like Zambia, Kenya, or Tanzania will work with these organisations but then all a poacher needs to do is wait in the Congo or Uganda were the state can't or won't do anything about them.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:59 am

Well.... i didnt expect to read this today.
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Postby Vyluria-Aseko » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:08 am

Honestly, this seems like a pretty badass job.

Point your gun at people and yell at them not to lay a fucking finger on the pandas or else they’re getting Swiss-cheesed.

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Postby Heloin » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:13 am

Vyluria-Aseko wrote:Honestly, this seems like a pretty badass job.

Point your gun at people and yell at them not to lay a fucking finger on the pandas or else they’re getting Swiss-cheesed.

It's somewhat less badass when the group they're paying is pointing guns at villagers not poachers.
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