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Should Prostitution be Legal?

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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:41 pm

Aggicificicerous wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:We're not talking about a person, we're talking about a business.


Which is also not necessarily a public accommodation.

If they rent out more than 5 rooms, they're a hotel (which is a public accommodation), if they use interstate commerce, they're a public accommodation, and if they operate out of a hotel or other such establishment, they are a public accommodation.

And even if they aren't, they provide entertainment for the public, and thus are a public accommodation.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:43 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
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Well that’s a load of bullshit.

It’s not even that expensive, especially since I know the juicy mechanics behind their prices.

It doesn't "count" because sex is about the emotional intimacy, not just the mechanics.


During the sexual encounter, there must be a remembrance of Stalin.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:44 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It doesn't "count" because sex is about the emotional intimacy, not just the mechanics.


During the sexual encounter, there must be a remembrance of Stalin.

No, but sexual encounters should only be between married couples, though I'm against legislating that.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:47 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
During the sexual encounter, there must be a remembrance of Stalin.

No, but sexual encounters should only be between married couples, though I'm against legislating that.


The spirit of my great-grandfather is telling me that it is a shit idea.

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Postby Aggicificicerous » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:59 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:If they rent out more than 5 rooms, they're a hotel (which is a public accommodation), if they use interstate commerce, they're a public accommodation, and if they operate out of a hotel or other such establishment, they are a public accommodation.


Uh huh. If. And even if the business had to accept a customer, the prostitute could still refuse.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:And even if they aren't, they provide entertainment for the public, and thus are a public accommodation.


Wrong again. Stop embarrassing yourself and just read the law.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:01 am

Aggicificicerous wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:If they rent out more than 5 rooms, they're a hotel (which is a public accommodation), if they use interstate commerce, they're a public accommodation, and if they operate out of a hotel or other such establishment, they are a public accommodation.


Uh huh. And yet there's nothing in the law that would force a prostitute to service any customer with money.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:And even if they aren't, they provide entertainment for the public, and thus are a public accommodation.


Wrong again. Stop embarrassing yourself and just read the law.

There is something that would prevent them, if they are a public accommodation, from discriminating against protected classes.

(3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and

Would you seriously argue that a whorehouse isn't a place of exhibition or entertainment?
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:08 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
There is something that would prevent them, if they are a public accommodation, from discriminating against protected classes.


I edited my post to make my point clearer.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
(3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and

Would you seriously argue that a whorehouse isn't a place of exhibition or entertainment?


It can be. It not necessarily is.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:16 am

Aggicificicerous wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:
There is something that would prevent them, if they are a public accommodation, from discriminating against protected classes.


I edited my post to make my point clearer.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Would you seriously argue that a whorehouse isn't a place of exhibition or entertainment?


It can be. It not necessarily is.

I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to convince anyone that prostitution isn't a form of entertainment.

And yes, I'm not saying the prostitute would have to have sex with someone, just that anti-discrimination law could penalize them monetarily for that refusal.
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Postby Deutschess Kaiserreich » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:16 am

if need be they need to have a permit. A permit that addresses their birth date, gender (could be traps), Health, and consent. The cost of hiring should also be regulated and pimps should be banned. The ladies (or men) should report to the government.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:18 am

It's not a big deal in my view, if a prostitute rejects a client because chances are, another one is willing to take them. If not, they could simply pay more. Nearly everyone has their price provided the customer behaves themselves and isn't completely unbearable. Turning a client away means getting less money, so its completely fair.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:18 am

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:gender (could be traps)

[beleaguered sigh]
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:18 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:No, but sexual encounters should only be between married couples, though I'm against legislating that.


The spirit of my great-grandfather is telling me that it is a shit idea.

I mean, if you want to make a thread about that, be my guest. Like I said, I'm against legislating against personal interactions that take place in private.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:20 am

Liriena wrote:
Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:gender (could be traps)

[beleaguered sigh]


The whole subgenre of feminine males in general is a bloody confusing mess.

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Postby Aggicificicerous » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:21 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to convince anyone that prostitution isn't a form of entertainment.


That is a very tenuous proposition and not at all equivalent to your previous statement that a whorehouse is a place of entertainment.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:And yes, I'm not saying the prostitute would have to have sex with someone, just that anti-discrimination law could penalize them monetarily for that refusal.


Once again, the anti-discrimination law would not necessarily apply to prostitutes.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:24 am

Aggicificicerous wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to convince anyone that prostitution isn't a form of entertainment.


That is a very tenuous proposition and not at all equivalent to your previous statement that a whorehouse is a place of entertainment.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:And yes, I'm not saying the prostitute would have to have sex with someone, just that anti-discrimination law could penalize them monetarily for that refusal.


Once again, the anti-discrimination law would not necessarily apply to prostitutes.

I mean a whorehouse is indisputably a place of entertainment, prostitution is the entertainment.

If it's a place of entertainment, which it certainly seems to, it would apply to them.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:24 am

Liriena wrote:
Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:gender (could be traps)

[beleaguered sigh]


God you people really ruined that channel for me with your incessant cult. :roll:
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:25 am

Yes. I'm sure a company like Tinder would love to get a cut of what it's already promoting.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:25 am

Hanafuridake wrote:


God you people really ruined that channel for me with your incessant cult. :roll:

Cool.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:27 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Yes. I'm sure a company like Tinder would love to get a cut of what it's already promoting.


Tinder isn’t for prostitution though...?

If you play your cards right, it’s completely free, if you exclude the date dinner.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:28 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Yes. I'm sure a company like Tinder would love to get a cut of what it's already promoting.


Tinder isn’t for prostitution though...?

If you play your cards right, it’s completely free, if you exclude the date dinner.


If prostitution were legal, Tinder could start charging for its services and guarantee an "encounter" because girls on Tinder would have the option to become "employees" of Tinder.

Or imagine something like UberEats, but with prostitutes. A high margin and scalable business model. I like.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:32 am

Liriena wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
God you people really ruined that channel for me with your incessant cult. :roll:

Cool.


Congratulations. This post is almost as unoriginal and uninspired as your previous one.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:35 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Liriena wrote:Cool.


Congratulations. This post is almost as unoriginal and uninspired as your previous one.


Unnecessary spite, just sayin’.

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Postby Aggicificicerous » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:38 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I mean a whorehouse is indisputably a place of entertainment, prostitution is the entertainment.


That's very disputable, and it comes down to how one views sex. If you think of sex as a diversion or amusement, then it might also be entertainment. If you think of sex as something more personal, private, and serious, it isn't.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:If it's a place of entertainment, which it certainly seems to, it would apply to them.


It might, but even then it would apply to the brothel itself. So even if the brothel couldn't discriminate, the prostitutes are another matter. And of course this wouldn't apply to a lone prostitute working legally.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:51 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Liriena wrote:Cool.


Congratulations. This post is almost as unoriginal and uninspired as your previous one.

Your unwarranted saltiness is duly noted.
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Postby Creslonia » Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:09 am

Prostitution should be legal. This would reduce violence (from gangs that have underground prostitution rings) and increase personal freedom. As for the risk of STIs, well, you know the risks.

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