Should The Presidency Be Nerfed?

[Nonadia]

NERF DONALD

[Gig em Aggies]

Yes, the presidency should be nerfed and the vice president empowered more. Along with this should be a new Amendment to revise the 12th Amendment so that the vice president is runner up in the presidential election. Give the vice president overview of about a third of the cabinet positions on top of their meager duties. Put in proper checks and balances to prevent government gridlock from antagonistic presidents and vice presidents.

This way the executive branch looks a lot more representative.

except it don't work that way there is no silver medal in the Presidential elections plus there's not one modern president that had a VP from the opposite party so no your answer is stupid I feel dumber from just reading it.

[The New California Republic]

Limiting the powers of the President would likely require a major Constitutional amendment. Many amendments have come about because there has been an oversight in the Constitution that someone has exploited and taken the piss with. The President would likely have to do something pretty fucking bad in order for there to be the political will and indignation to produce such an amendment.

Not necessarily. The late 19th century was an era of limited presidency mostly by convention.

I mean yeah, sure, but I find it unlikely that we'd go back to something like that without some major nudging.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

NERF DONALD

^the Donald is too powerful for us mortals

[Gig em Aggies]

Bin laden, Al Queda, Daesh, did not come from us involving ourselves in the middle east Islamic extremism hates western freedoms and democracy so? plus you really show a lack of military and political knowledge with your statements in regards to nerfing the presidential powers when there constricted way to much already so go read up a couple of book on military and international politics and then come back with a proper argument.

What an incredibly uninformed statement.

well bin laden rode to high on his horse and said fuck it the US did nothing to me a Saudi so let me go terrorize them for awhile. Daesh arised from an internal struggle within Al Qaeda itself due to a weak Iraqi government/military mired in steep sectarian violence. so no its not uninformed in fact most of the M East was fucked to begin with long before the US got involved there.

[Ghost Land]

I say the president doesn't have enough power, as he basically has 535 moms and dads in Congress telling him what he can and can't do unless he uses executive orders. And because of the gridlock that's often created or worsened by Congress being stubborn, patronizing, or fighting too much among themselves, no matter whether we have a Republican or a Democrat president, little will change; really, Americans have a lot less freedom than we think we do. What we need is a strong leader who can actually do some stuff without having to run it by Mom and Dad and Other Mom and Other Dad and Other Mom 2 and so on, maybe even a benevolent autocrat (which I feel to be the best form of government anyway).

[United Muscovite Nations]

What an incredibly uninformed statement.

well bin laden rode to high on his horse and said fuck it the US did nothing to me a Saudi so let me go terrorize them for awhile. Daesh arised from an internal struggle within Al Qaeda itself due to a weak Iraqi government/military mired in steep sectarian violence. so no its not uninformed in fact most of the M East was fucked to begin with long before the US got involved there.

Bin Laden and Al Qaeda would be irrelevant if the US didn't give them large amounts of arms and money in the 1980's, and Daesh wouldn't exist if the US hadn't invaded Iraq.

Hell, Islamic extremism barely existed until the late 1970's.

[Northwestinghamshire]

and here I was thinking this would be a thread about shooting nerf guns at President Trump.....

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

and here I was thinking this would be a thread about shooting nerf guns at President Trump.....

Let’s have the government pay for a nerf war against them

[LiberNovusAmericae]

well bin laden rode to high on his horse and said fuck it the US did nothing to me a Saudi so let me go terrorize them for awhile. Daesh arised from an internal struggle within Al Qaeda itself due to a weak Iraqi government/military mired in steep sectarian violence. so no its not uninformed in fact most of the M East was fucked to begin with long before the US got involved there.

Bin Laden and Al Qaeda would be irrelevant if the US didn't give them large amounts of arms and money in the 1980's, and Daesh wouldn't exist if the US hadn't invaded Iraq.

This ^^ Also, Invading countries doesn't result in said country having a strong government.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

Yeah all government should be nerfed into the dirt.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Yeah all government should be nerfed into the dirt.

Ancap?

[Woodfiredpizzas]

Yeah all government should be nerfed into the dirt.

Ancap?

Minarchist leading into libertarian evolutionist.

[Alonace]

It should be, but sadly with all the *cough*corruption*cough* in D.C., that will most likely never happen.

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Bin Laden and Al Qaeda would be irrelevant if the US didn't give them large amounts of arms and money in the 1980's, and Daesh wouldn't exist if the US hadn't invaded Iraq.

Don't forget about the large amount of arms the US government gave al-Queda in Syria in the present.

[Free Arabian Nation]

America should be nerfed

[Alonace]

America should be nerfed

Nah, just the politicians.

[Free Arabian Nation]

America should be nerfed

Nah, just the politicians.

Nope, the entire country needs to be nerfed so that other more sensible superpowers can take its place

[Alonace]

Nah, just the politicians.

Nope, the entire country needs to be nerfed so that other more sensible superpowers can take its place

While I dislike the current form of government of the U.S., I believe that if it were to be nerfed, nothing would stop the less sensible "superpowers" from going at each other.

[Auzkhia]

Yes. I would rather have a parliamentary style of representative democracy and make the president a ceremonial role or even replace it with an executive council like Switzerland and be a directorial republic, which I find to be ideal form of a republic. Republics are all about not having one figure in charge, not being a monarchy and all.

Presidential systems tend to be dictatorships, and the US seems to lucked out in that way but still, it's one or two amendments away from becoming one.

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I say the president doesn't have enough power, as he basically has 535 moms and dads in Congress telling him what he can and can't do unless he uses executive orders. And because of the gridlock that's often created or worsened by Congress being stubborn, patronizing, or fighting too much among themselves, no matter whether we have a Republican or a Democrat president, little will change; really, Americans have a lot less freedom than we think we do. What we need is a strong leader who can actually do some stuff without having to run it by Mom and Dad and Other Mom and Other Dad and Other Mom 2 and so on, maybe even a benevolent autocrat (which I feel to be the best form of government anyway).

Do you want a "benevolent" autocrat or do you want a specific kind of benevolent autocrat? I assume you have certain positions on such issues as capitalism vs. socialism, war, abortion, criminal justice, drug policy, environmental policy, etc. What if a benevolent autocrat did the exact opposite of every policy position you hold? Do you still want autocracy.

That's the problem with authoritarianism, you only think of it in terms of the exact kind of authoritarianism you want and not the consequences of such a system when the other side takes power.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Bin Laden and Al Qaeda would be irrelevant if the US didn't give them large amounts of arms and money in the 1980's, and Daesh wouldn't exist if the US hadn't invaded Iraq.

Don't forget about the large amount of arms the US government gave al-Queda in Syria in the present.

Our foreign policy is self-defeating.

[Free Arabian Nation]

Yes. I would rather have a parliamentary style of representative democracy and make the president a ceremonial role or even replace it with an executive council like Switzerland and be a directorial republic, which I find to be ideal form of a republic. Republics are all about not having one figure in charge, not being a monarchy and all.

Presidential systems tend to be dictatorships, and the US seems to lucked out in that way but still, it's one or two amendments away from becoming one.

First off, Ew

Second off, at least with a dictatorship the nation doesn't have to deal with congressional crap.

[Alonace]

Yes. I would rather have a parliamentary style of representative democracy and make the president a ceremonial role or even replace it with an executive council like Switzerland and be a directorial republic, which I find to be ideal form of a republic. Republics are all about not having one figure in charge, not being a monarchy and all.

Presidential systems tend to be dictatorships, and the US seems to lucked out in that way but still, it's one or two amendments away from becoming one.

Unless we have a good old revolution.

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Most of those time sensitive targets exist because we are still involving ourselves in the middle east. We should pull out.

Bin laden, Al Queda, Daesh, did not come from us involving ourselves in the middle east Islamic extremism hates western freedoms and democracy so? plus you really show a lack of military and political knowledge with your statements in regards to nerfing the presidential powers when there constricted way to much already so go read up a couple of book on military and international politics and then come back with a proper argument.

All of those absolutely came from US involvement in the Middle East. Bin Laden set his sights on America when Saudi Arabia chose to have America protect them from Saddam Hussein rather than the protection of Bin Laden's Mujahideen, and the existence of the Mujahideen was perpetuated thanks to America's support for them against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

Daesh is the direct result of the sectarian warfare and the power vacuum in Iraq after America toppled Saddam Hussein.