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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:47 am

Big Jim P wrote:
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Hand in your edgelord card, you're a fraud.


Never had an edgelord card. Never been an edgelord. :rofl:


The avatar and signature tell a completely different story.

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:I just realized... the N-word is spelled an awful lot like Niger.

Checkmate, Atheists.


Niger has an interesting etymology, similar to Nigeria and Algeria.
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Postby Loben » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:14 am

some men arent after anything logical like money, they cant be reasoned, bought or negotiated with;

some men just want to say the N word.

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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:45 am

Loben wrote:some men arent after anything logical like money, they cant be reasoned, bought or negotiated with;

some men just want to say the N word.

Some men are the latter whom support the former.

Except the money part. It's all about the money.
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Postby Dresderstan » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:06 am

Hard to sing songs that use the n word at all and self censorship is a pain.
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Postby Ohioan Territory » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:41 am

It should be legal to say, but of course, saying it is pretty gross. People shouldn't say it out of pure decency.
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Postby Vyluria-Aseko » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:15 am

N’WAH

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Postby Scomagia » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:08 pm

New Bremerton wrote:No one should be saying the n-word. Not even black people. This is no way for America to move on from its shameful past. When white people hear black people using the n-word, only to realize they can't use it themselves, not even to rap someone else's lyrics (e.g. the incident involving Kendrick Lamar baiting a white fan into rapping the n-word, then calling her out on it), it's almost as if African-Americans are purposely dangling a forbidden fruit in their faces, tempting them to eat of it and get clobbered in the process. It's a form of unintentional race-baiting that only serves to breed resentment from anyone who isn't black. If African-Americans, and blacks more generally, want white people to stop using the n-word, then they ought to lead by example. Only then will the word truly lose its sting as it falls into complete obscurity and disuse.

As an Asian, I will never use the n-word under any circumstances, not even when quoting from a history textbook or in private conversation, no matter what country I'm in, and I won't be baited or tricked into doing so, not even by Kendrick Lamar who was clearly looking for something to be offended about. Fuck him and his despicable race-baiting antics. I'm not even going to type the word here on NS, Facebook or anywhere else.

Your position is infantile. Hiding behind a euphemism when discussing the word nigger is a do nothing attempt at avoiding offense. Anyone who is offended by the use of the word in the context of the discussion of the word needs to grow a pair.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:33 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
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Never had an edgelord card. Never been an edgelord. :rofl:


The avatar and signature tell a completely different story.

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:I just realized... the N-word is spelled an awful lot like Niger.

Checkmate, Atheists.


Niger has an interesting etymology, similar to Nigeria and Algeria.

Big Jim actually is a LaVeyan Satanist, iirc, so the flag makes sense. Nothing really "edgy" there or in his sig.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:14 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:
The avatar and signature tell a completely different story.



Niger has an interesting etymology, similar to Nigeria and Algeria.

Big Jim actually is a LaVeyan Satanist, iirc, so the flag makes sense. Nothing really "edgy" there or in his sig.

I would argue tha LaVeyan Satanism is the OG of edgelords, but that's another topic not worthy of a thread.
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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:29 pm

Scomagia wrote:Big Jim actually is a LaVeyan Satanist, iirc, so the flag makes sense. Nothing really "edgy" there or in his sig.


Cannot think of a name wrote:I would argue tha LaVeyan Satanism is the OG of edgelords, but that's another topic not worthy of a thread.


LaVey himself said that it's the "religion of the flesh", aka a Do Whatever The Hell You Want philosophy that mixes Ayn Rand's objectvism, existential nihilism and hedonism. It's an ambiguous term they use to justify their own actions under the belief that there is no repercussions beyond human law, which is why they're heavily linked with child sex trafficking (Ian Watkins), and ritualistic murder (Michael Aquino). The pentagram is their official emblem, so yeah, it's the symbol of occultist edgelords.
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Postby New Bremerton » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:05 am

Scomagia wrote:
New Bremerton wrote:No one should be saying the n-word. Not even black people. This is no way for America to move on from its shameful past. When white people hear black people using the n-word, only to realize they can't use it themselves, not even to rap someone else's lyrics (e.g. the incident involving Kendrick Lamar baiting a white fan into rapping the n-word, then calling her out on it), it's almost as if African-Americans are purposely dangling a forbidden fruit in their faces, tempting them to eat of it and get clobbered in the process. It's a form of unintentional race-baiting that only serves to breed resentment from anyone who isn't black. If African-Americans, and blacks more generally, want white people to stop using the n-word, then they ought to lead by example. Only then will the word truly lose its sting as it falls into complete obscurity and disuse.

As an Asian, I will never use the n-word under any circumstances, not even when quoting from a history textbook or in private conversation, no matter what country I'm in, and I won't be baited or tricked into doing so, not even by Kendrick Lamar who was clearly looking for something to be offended about. Fuck him and his despicable race-baiting antics. I'm not even going to type the word here on NS, Facebook or anywhere else.

Your position is infantile. Hiding behind a euphemism when discussing the word nigger is a do nothing attempt at avoiding offense. Anyone who is offended by the use of the word in the context of the discussion of the word needs to grow a pair.


Others are offended by your personal decision to use the n-word. You're offended by my personal decision not to use the word. It goes both ways. I choose to err on the side of caution by not saying it. I choose not to risk my reputation and my career to some triggered Tumblr leftists who have nothing better to do than ruin people's lives. I also choose not to exacerbate racial tensions any further by saying the word. It doesn't mean I'm personally "offended" when a white person chooses to use the word in a rap song, or when quoting a history textbook, or even here on this thread. I'm calling out African-Americans who choose to say the word, and then wonder why white people scream "it's not fair that we can't say it". It signifies a refusal on the part of African-Americans to move on from the past and comes across as spiteful, however unintentional.

I'm not calling you out for using the word like you just did here in this particular context (assuming you're white or something other than black). You would do well to respect my decision not to use it in any context. I do believe that context matters for those who choose to say the word, but also that if one wishes to improve race relations, then it would be even better if no one, including black people, ever said the word, with or without the hard "r". If, for instance, you're a black rapper and you want your white fans to rap your verses without losing their fucking jobs over it, don't include the fucking word in your verses, because if they do say the word and you're offended by it, the joke's on you. I wouldn't be offended, but that's just me. Context matters.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:37 am

Ayytaly wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Never had an edgelord card. Never been an edgelord. :rofl:


The avatar and signature tell a completely different story.

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:I just realized... the N-word is spelled an awful lot like Niger.

Checkmate, Atheists.


Niger has an interesting etymology, similar to Nigeria and Algeria.

No, it's Nee-Zher.

Nigeria and Algeria have hard G sounds, Niger has a slurred J sound (Like Asia, Javert, Jean, etc...)
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:51 am

New haven america wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:
The avatar and signature tell a completely different story.



Niger has an interesting etymology, similar to Nigeria and Algeria.

No, it's Nee-Zher.

Nigeria and Algeria have hard G sounds, Niger has a slurred J sound (Like Asia, Javert, Jean, etc...)


You could’ve just said "soft G".

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Postby New haven america » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:07 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
New haven america wrote:No, it's Nee-Zher.

Nigeria and Algeria have hard G sounds, Niger has a slurred J sound (Like Asia, Javert, Jean, etc...)


You could’ve just said "soft G".

Nope, completely different sounds. Both hard and soft G are Velar Stops (Which means it stops, pretty self explanatory) while a soft J/ZH is a voiced fricative which means that air continues to flow through pronunciation.

TBH, I don't know why Niger put the G there when it should be a J/ZH, but eh, I didn't get to name the country. (Who knows, maybe they did it to fit in with their neighbors or something)
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:12 am

New haven america wrote:
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You could’ve just said "soft G".

Nope, completely different sounds. Both hard and soft G are Velar Stops (Which means it stops, pretty self explanatory) while a soft J/ZH is a voiced fricative which means that air continues to flow through pronunciation.

TBH, I don't know why Niger put the G there when it should be a J/ZH, but eh, I didn't get to name the country. (Who knows, maybe they did it to fit in with their neighbors or something)


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Postby Saiwania » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:11 am

Valrifell wrote:
American Pere Housh wrote:If can't say the n word then African-Americans can't call me a redneck or cracker because thats racist


They don't quite have the same emotional baggage.


Right? If a White person uses the n word towards a Black person, its like a verbal punch or sledgehammer. If a Black calls a White person a "honkey" or whatever, the White person can just roll their eyes or think of it as silly. It doesn't hurt because the history just doesn't exist to support it being harmful like it does for the n word.

Most of the things going wrong with the majority White world is partially Whites' fault because collectively speaking, too many have become too liberal and chosen to not put a stop to immigration from non-White countries for selfish economic reasons.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:24 am

Saiwania wrote:
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They don't quite have the same emotional baggage.


Right? If a White person uses the n word towards a Black person, its like a verbal punch or sledgehammer. If a Black calls a White person a "honkey" or whatever, the White person can just roll their eyes or think of it as silly. It doesn't hurt because the history just doesn't exist to support it being harmful like it does for the n word.

Most of the things going wrong with the majority White world is partially Whites' fault because collectively speaking, too many have become too liberal and chosen to not put a stop to immigration from non-White countries for selfish economic reasons.

The immigration of people the word in question refers to was not voluntary.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:34 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:The immigration of people the word in question refers to was not voluntary.


When slavery was a big thing (because forced manual labor was valuable), there was a cold logic to importing Blacks. Generally speaking, they did better work and were more resistant to disease than native Americans, so they were chosen instead; especially being that Arabs and other Africans were all too willing to trade or sell to Europeans.

Also, if a Black person ran away from a plantation, their skin color could simply be used to automatically assume that they're a runaway if anyone sees them, at which point- they could be apprehended if not asked for their papers proving that they're not a slave but have "free" status.
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Postby Takiran » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:40 am

I’m going to say the n word!
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:32 am

Saiwania wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:The immigration of people the word in question refers to was not voluntary.


When slavery was a big thing (because forced manual labor was valuable), there was a cold logic to importing Blacks. Generally speaking, they did better work and were more resistant to disease than native Americans, so they were chosen instead; especially being that Arabs and other Africans were all too willing to trade or sell to Europeans.

Also, if a Black person ran away from a plantation, their skin color could simply be used to automatically assume that they're a runaway if anyone sees them, at which point- they could be apprehended if not asked for their papers proving that they're not a slave but have "free" status.

This relates to modern usage of racist slurs, how?
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:42 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:This relates to modern usage of racist slurs, how?


Is the n word not just another word for Negro? It referred to those people's darker skin negatively. They were a minority that "stood out" visually and that was kind of the point for using Blacks for slavery. If any slaves were White, they could blend in with the majority if they escaped, thus making their recapture harder or unlikely.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:52 am

Saiwania wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:This relates to modern usage of racist slurs, how?


Is the n word not just another word for Negro? It referred to those people's darker skin negatively. They were a minority that "stood out" visually and that was kind of the point for using Blacks for slavery. If any slaves were White, they could blend in with the majority if they escaped, thus making their recapture harder or unlikely.

What fucking questions are do you think you're answering, dude? You made some random ass comment about liberals and immigration, slavery is not immigration. Now you're just randomly generating wikipedia entries. Get on topic, dude.
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:15 am

It should be legal and accepted.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-yFUDN75zd8
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:58 am

In case the video didn't make it clear, I also think white people should be able to say it.
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