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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:37 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
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Only if nuance and context mean nothing to you or you're black.

But nuance and context is what makes it okay to use.

The nuance and context of someone with a Confederate battle flag trying to find a loophole in which he can say the word kind of makes it not okay.

Honestly, what are you looking for, anyway? You want to be able to call someone that and it be 'okay'? Why? Because someone said it in a rap song? Are you trying say that you really want to use it the same way? Do you also know that the black community in general isn't 'settled' on the use of the word? Even ones who had used it decided not to, and not in a millennial fascination way, Richard Pryor did a whole thing on it back in 1982.

You can say the word all you want, but when a dude with the flag people flew into battle against their own countrymen to preserve the practice of keeping the people you want to call that word in servitude, it's going to carry that history with it and you can quote all the NWA songs you want it's not going to make a difference.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:But nuance and context is what makes it okay to use.

The nuance and context of someone with a Confederate battle flag trying to find a loophole in which he can say the word kind of makes it not okay.

There is no loophole tho, it's just a fact that it's possible to say the n word without being a racist, as you prove below.

Honestly, what are you looking for, anyway? You want to be able to call someone that and it be 'okay'? Why? Because someone said it in a rap song? Are you trying say that you really want to use it the same way? Do you also know that the black community in general isn't 'settled' on the use of the word?

There is no black community though.

If one group of people can use the n word there's no reason the rest can't. If they have a problem with it being used by another group of people then they themselves should stop using it too. The very fact they continue to do so is just evidence that it isn't inherently racist.
Even ones who had used it decided not to, and not in a millennial fascination way, Richard Pryor did a whole thing on it back in 1982.

Well he has a point; either everybody can use it or nobody can.

You can say the word all you want, but when a dude with the flag people flew into battle against their own countrymen to preserve the practice of keeping the people you want to call that word in servitude, it's going to carry that history with it and you can quote all the NWA songs you want it's not going to make a difference.

Never heard a single NWA song let alone quoted any :\

You sure are trying to run to home with my flag as if it has anything to do with my position on the N-word.
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Kinnies wrote:The most insightful part of 1984 was when Winston liberated the entire world from the tyranny of Big Government by spewing racist slurs

Correction: he failed to liberate the entire world from the tyranny of big government because he WASN'T spewing racist slurs.
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Kinnies wrote:The most insightful part of 1984 was when Winston liberated the entire world from the tyranny of Big Government by spewing racist slurs

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In all seriousness, I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to say it. It's just a word.

I partly agree with you. I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to say it, but it isn't just a word. As an African-American (Black) person, I get a little offended when people say it, even if they don't mean anything by it. Making saying the N word illegal is a little dramatic, but it should just be human decency to know not to say it.
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Postby Great Celestial China » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:12 pm

Nein

There I said it

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In all seriousness, I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to say it. It's just a word.

I partly agree with you. I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to say it, but it isn't just a word. As an African-American (Black) person, I get a little offended when people say it, even if they don't mean anything by it. Making saying the N word illegal is a little dramatic, but it should just be human decency to know not to say it.

True tho

But then again everyone seems to be fine with Chink and gook
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Postby Saint Arsenio » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:15 pm

Great Celestial China wrote:
Saint Arsenio wrote:I partly agree with you. I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to say it, but it isn't just a word. As an African-American (Black) person, I get a little offended when people say it, even if they don't mean anything by it. Making saying the N word illegal is a little dramatic, but it should just be human decency to know not to say it.

True tho

But then again everyone seems to be fine with Chink and gook

I've never heard of those two words.
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Postby Great Celestial China » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:18 pm

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Great Celestial China wrote:True tho

But then again everyone seems to be fine with Chink and gook

I've never heard of those two words.

they're racial slurs for chinese and koreans
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Postby Saint Arsenio » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:20 pm

Great Celestial China wrote:
Saint Arsenio wrote:I've never heard of those two words.

they're racial slurs for chinese and koreans

I don't think it's because people are fine with those words, but rather the fact that they may have never heard of them, like me.
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Saint Arsenio wrote: Making saying the N word illegal is a little dramatic, but it should just be human decency to know not to say it.



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Saint Arsenio wrote: Making saying the N word illegal is a little dramatic, but it should just be human decency to know not to say it.



This.

What?
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Saint Arsenio wrote:What?


Ah, I meant that I agreed with this statement.
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Ah, I meant that I agreed with this statement.

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Postby US-SSR » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:35 pm

The answer to the question, "can I use the n word?" is the same as the answer to the question, "am I African-American?"
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:36 pm

Great Celestial China wrote:Nein

There I said it

Saint Arsenio wrote:I partly agree with you. I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to say it, but it isn't just a word. As an African-American (Black) person, I get a little offended when people say it, even if they don't mean anything by it. Making saying the N word illegal is a little dramatic, but it should just be human decency to know not to say it.

True tho

But then again everyone seems to be fine with Chink and gook


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:49 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:The nuance and context of someone with a Confederate battle flag trying to find a loophole in which he can say the word kind of makes it not okay.

There is no loophole tho, it's just a fact that it's possible to say the n word without being a racist, as you prove below.

But why do you want to say the word so bad? What are you looking for, exactly?
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Honestly, what are you looking for, anyway? You want to be able to call someone that and it be 'okay'? Why? Because someone said it in a rap song? Are you trying say that you really want to use it the same way? Do you also know that the black community in general isn't 'settled' on the use of the word?

There is no black community though.

Now, watch as you refer to them as a community-
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:If one group of people can use the n word there's no reason the rest can't. If they have a problem with it being used by another group of people then they themselves should stop using it too. The very fact they continue to do so is just evidence that it isn't inherently racist.

Again, this isn't settle within whatever term it is you want to us for black people in America...and if you use the one in question, the history of its usage comes with it. Sorry, it's how words work. "Oh no, words change...we use to call a group of twigs-" Stop. They don't change with a blink of your eyes like a genie where you say 'it's not racist now.' The whole idea of 'reclaiming the word' is related to its racist history and the fact that it makes you uncomfortable in your shorts area for them to use it is the point. Meaning it's going to have a different connotation being used by 'them' and 'you.'
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Even ones who had used it decided not to, and not in a millennial fascination way, Richard Pryor did a whole thing on it back in 1982.

Well he has a point; either everybody can use it or nobody can.

You can use the word, and it will have exactly the affect you want it to. Because there's really only one reason for you to want to use it. So what are you upset about?
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You can say the word all you want, but when a dude with the flag people flew into battle against their own countrymen to preserve the practice of keeping the people you want to call that word in servitude, it's going to carry that history with it and you can quote all the NWA songs you want it's not going to make a difference.

Never heard a single NWA song let alone quoted any :\

So you have even less reason to complain.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:You sure are trying to run to home with my flag as if it has anything to do with my position on the N-word.

Doesn't it, though? I mean, if it weren't undermining your point, would you have changed it?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:52 pm

It's just a word. There's few better ways to lessen its impact than to stop putting it up on an altar as some high and mighty restricted thing imo.
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Great Celestial China wrote:Nein

There I said it

Saint Arsenio wrote:I partly agree with you. I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to say it, but it isn't just a word. As an African-American (Black) person, I get a little offended when people say it, even if they don't mean anything by it. Making saying the N word illegal is a little dramatic, but it should just be human decency to know not to say it.

True tho

But then again everyone seems to be fine with Chink and gook

I have never heard the word gook used in a context besides a miscellaneous sticky substance. How is it a racial slur?
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:04 pm

Saint Arsenio wrote:
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In all seriousness, I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to say it. It's just a word.

I partly agree with you. I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to say it, but it isn't just a word. As an African-American (Black) person, I get a little offended when people say it, even if they don't mean anything by it. Making saying the N word illegal is a little dramatic, but it should just be human decency to know not to say it.

In what context, though? You surely aren't saying that this is offensive, for instance: " Yeah, Joe's an asshole. I heard him call somebody a nigger.", right?
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US-SSR wrote:The answer to the question, "can I use the n word?" is the same as the answer to the question, "am I African-American?"

No, it isn't. It's perfectly acceptable to use the word nigger for explanatory purposes or, say, in a literary context.
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Postby Great Celestial China » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:13 pm

Saint Arsenio wrote:
Great Celestial China wrote:they're racial slurs for chinese and koreans

I don't think it's because people are fine with those words, but rather the fact that they may have never heard of them, like me.

only if you live somewhere where there's hardy any of them. on the west coast ppl use it all the times since the cities are teeming with chinese and japs

like wise, where i live there's hardly any blacks, so saying nibba isn't really a concern
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:24 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:There is no loophole tho, it's just a fact that it's possible to say the n word without being a racist, as you prove below.

But why do you want to say the word so bad? What are you looking for, exactly?

I don't recall professing an intense desire to say the n word.
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There is no black community though.

Now, watch as you refer to them as a community-

Where?
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:If one group of people can use the n word there's no reason the rest can't. If they have a problem with it being used by another group of people then they themselves should stop using it too. The very fact they continue to do so is just evidence that it isn't inherently racist.

Again, this isn't settle within whatever term it is you want to us for black people in America...and if you use the one in question, the history of its usage comes with it. Sorry, it's how words work. "Oh no, words change...we use to call a group of twigs-" Stop. They don't change with a blink of your eyes like a genie where you say 'it's not racist now.'

They apparently do change with skin color though.
The whole idea of 'reclaiming the word' is related to its racist history and the fact that it makes you uncomfortable in your shorts area for them to use it is the point. Meaning it's going to have a different connotation being used by 'them' and 'you.'

It's gotta stop being racist at some point if they want to reclaim the word, and seeing as "they" are already using it in day-to-day language then I don't see why we can't use it in the same context.
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Well he has a point; either everybody can use it or nobody can.

You can use the word, and it will have exactly the affect you want it to. Because there's really only one reason for you to want to use it.

That reason being demonstrating fraternal bond with peers I assume you're assuming?
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Never heard a single NWA song let alone quoted any :\

So you have even less reason to complain.

How so?
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:You sure are trying to run to home with my flag as if it has anything to do with my position on the N-word.

Doesn't it, though?

No.
I mean, if it weren't undermining your point, would you have changed it?

Seeing as the thing I changed it to was a member of a fascist anti-terror police unit that is often associated with fascism, fashwave, and Right Wing Death Squad memes, as well as the militant space-nazis from Killzone; all of which would defeat the purpose of changing my flag from a tank nerd in front of a Confederate flag assuming my intent was to make me seem less racist...

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Postby Saint Arsenio » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:32 pm

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US-SSR wrote:The answer to the question, "can I use the n word?" is the same as the answer to the question, "am I African-American?"

No, it isn't. It's perfectly acceptable to use the word nigger for explanatory purposes or, say, in a literary context.

Why do you insist on saying the N word so much? This is the reason people think it's okay to use it on a daily basis.
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