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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:36 am

Andsed wrote:I think context matters alot with n word. It is undoubtedly a racial slur and you should not be going saying it lightly but acting like saying it makes you automatically racist is a mistake. If your going shouting things like "fuck you n word" then yeah your a racist as your using it to insult black people. But if you say just blurt it out when your pissed at a game or something well I would say it would dumb and wrong of you to say it but your not necessarily racist.


I'm confused, I usually yell "fucking Christ" or "God Dammit" when I'm pissed at a game. Never the N word. Why, why would that be the word to reach for out of anger? Not sure I comprehend.

Anyways, don't use the N word. I mean, it's not like we can have legislation on it, free speech is still a thing. But if a racist dipshit decides to use the word as a slur directed towards an African-American, then I'd have no problem with said racist dipshit taking a nice slap to the face.

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Postby Caracasus » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:40 am

Andsed wrote:I think context matters alot with n word. It is undoubtedly a racial slur and you should not be going saying it lightly but acting like saying it makes you automatically racist is a mistake. If your going shouting things like "fuck you n word" then yeah your a racist as your using it to insult black people. But if you say just blurt it out when your pissed at a game or something well I would say it would dumb and wrong of you to say it but your not necessarily racist.


Er... if I hurt myself or get very angry I might swear a fair bit. I don't think I'd use a racist slur though. That sounds like the kind of thing someone who is kind of racist but knows they shouldn't be in polite company might do.
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Postby Nantoraka » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:43 am

I'm gonna say the N-word and nobody can stop me!

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Postby Youtes » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:44 am

I mean people can say whatever they want to say. Whenever someone uses a racial or an ethnic slur towards me I count that as a usual neutral insult, like "moron" or "retard". I'll just know that the person next to me is not only rude, but racist or ethnicist.

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Postby Ors Might » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:51 am

As someone who regularly uses the word “fag” and doesn’t have a problem with straight folks saying it, context dependent of course, I find it somewhat dumb that people would get pissy if soleone said nigga. “Nigger” can be perfectly fine depending on the context. For example, I doubt reading Huckleberry Finn would make one a racist.
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Postby Youve been Gnomed » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:52 am

Ors Might wrote:As someone who regularly uses the word “fag” and doesn’t have a problem with straight folks saying it, context dependent of course, I find it somewhat dumb that people would get pissy if soleone said nigga. “Nigger” can be perfectly fine depending on the context. For example, I doubt reading Huckleberry Finn would make one a racist.

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Postby Purgatio » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:56 am

Nantoraka wrote:I'm gonna say the N-word and nobody can stop me!


Not really the point of the discussion. The point isn't whether people can or should stop you from saying the N-word, it's whether it is right or appropriate to say it in the first place. Something can be both legal and an assholish thing to do nevertheless.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:59 am

People should be allowed to say stupid things. It makes it easier to identify people who aren't worth interacting with.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:18 pm

Saiwania wrote:You wouldn't use it unless you're being malicious towards a Black person and in addition, it's just rude.

What about black people using it in everyday speech?
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Postby Page » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:21 pm

I'm white, I don't use the word, and I don't need to use the word. I'm so over white people whining "Why can't we say it?! It's not fair they can say it but we can't!" If there is some unknown benefit to using the word, like if you say it enough times you become immortal then I will shout it from the rooftops and include it in every sentence I speak. But since that's not the case, I don't want or care to use the word.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:24 pm

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Saiwania wrote:You wouldn't use it unless you're being malicious towards a Black person and in addition, it's just rude.

What about black people using it in everyday speech?


Then it's a reclaimed slur.
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Valrifell wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:What about black people using it in everyday speech?


Then it's a reclaimed slur.

So then it's okay to use it.
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Postby Danceria » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:30 pm

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Postby Starodubsky Russia » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:36 pm

The real N word that angers a lot of people is "no," and if they ban one n word, they are one step closer to banning "no." We can't let them ban "no," ever.


Is the one derived from corruptions of the Spanish word for "black" anything more than a stupid person's word to say? There are way worse things that start with N:


Necrophilia, crime against nature.


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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:44 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Then it's a reclaimed slur.

So then it's okay to use it.


Only if nuance and context mean nothing to you or you're black.
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Postby Hiachijan » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:47 pm

I've heard it an uncountable number of times at this point (yes, the "hard R") to the point where it doesn't really mean much to me anymore.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:51 pm

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:52 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:So then it's okay to use it.


Only if nuance and context mean nothing to you or you're black.

But nuance and context is what makes it okay to use.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:58 pm

There is a difference between Nigger and Nigga that is often not acknowledged because we view the terms through the racist lenses of either the progressive left or the reactionary right.

They are even phonetically different though easily mistaken for eachother.

Dependent on context, nigger might be illegal to say or worth sanctioning. Nigga almost always isn't.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:00 pm

Starodubsky Russia wrote:The real N word that angers a lot of people is "no," and if they ban one n word, they are one step closer to banning "no." We can't let them ban "no," ever.


Is the one derived from corruptions of the Spanish word for "black" anything more than a stupid person's word to say? There are way worse things that start with N:


Necrophilia, crime against nature.


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Postby Gagium » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:27 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Only if nuance and context mean nothing to you or you're black.

But nuance and context is what makes it okay to use.

Oh, please. Only us truly nuanced are able to say the n-word whenever and however we please.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:42 pm

I think it's an awful word to call someone. I think the entire idea of calling it the "N word" is preposterous, infantile shit, though. When you're talking about someone using the word or describing the word itself it is not offensive and shouldn't be hidden behind a stupid euphemism.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:47 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Andsed wrote:I think context matters alot with n word. It is undoubtedly a racial slur and you should not be going saying it lightly but acting like saying it makes you automatically racist is a mistake. If your going shouting things like "fuck you n word" then yeah your a racist as your using it to insult black people. But if you say just blurt it out when your pissed at a game or something well I would say it would dumb and wrong of you to say it but your not necessarily racist.


I'm confused, I usually yell "fucking Christ" or "God Dammit" when I'm pissed at a game. Never the N word. Why, why would that be the word to reach for out of anger? Not sure I comprehend.

Anyways, don't use the N word. I mean, it's not like we can have legislation on it, free speech is still a thing. But if a racist dipshit decides to use the word as a slur directed towards an African-American, then I'd have no problem with said racist dipshit taking a nice slap to the face.

While I agree that it isn't in my repertoire of angry curses, I can see why someone would use it that way. It's a swear and an especially verboten one at that, which makes it a more powerful expression of outrage. I wouldn't suggest anyone use it that way but it seems like a natural result of making it so taboo.
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Postby Esternial » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:50 pm

Depends on how you use it. Your intent, context...it matters.

People are also free to be offended and call you out on it...as long as they're genuinely offended.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:57 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Andsed wrote:I think context matters alot with n word. It is undoubtedly a racial slur and you should not be going saying it lightly but acting like saying it makes you automatically racist is a mistake. If your going shouting things like "fuck you n word" then yeah your a racist as your using it to insult black people. But if you say just blurt it out when your pissed at a game or something well I would say it would dumb and wrong of you to say it but your not necessarily racist.


Er... if I hurt myself or get very angry I might swear a fair bit. I don't think I'd use a racist slur though. That sounds like the kind of thing someone who is kind of racist but knows they shouldn't be in polite company might do.

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But in all seriousness, just don't say it. It's not that hard to not say a word. Context still matters, of course, but even then it's pretty limited to, to name a few examples, teachers making a point in a classroom setting, or actors saying lines off a script, and even then that should probably be thoroughly vetted by dramaturgs so as to make sure guys like Quentin Tarantino aren't just sprinkling the n word onto their script for no reason (not saying he does do that, btw).

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