On the n word

[Deltanium]

It’s just some damned word, albeit a racist one. I have no problem if a Chinese or an African uses a racial slur on me as long as I get to use one on them back.

[Kanadorika]

I've never understood the "reclaim the word" bit. The word "Nigger/Nigga" (same word, but spoken in a southern American accent) originates from Latin. The only people who would be able to reclaim the word would be the Romans.

[Ayytaly]

I've never understood the "reclaim the word" bit. The word "Nigger/Nigga" (same word, but spoken in a southern American accent) originates from Latin. The only people who would be able to reclaim the word would be the Romans.

I commend you for pointing that out. To add to the point, black culture, their overall vernacular usage (ebonics), and the word itself ultimately stem from the South, where the slaves learned how to talk and cook like their masters, which was passed on from generation to generation even after moving to the North.

For those outside the US here: the way Southern folk in the US talk isn't quite as refined as the more nuanced Northerners, whom back then spoke in what was called Transatlantic English (comparable to Oxfordian "Posh" in England).

[Abarri]

Personally, I'll never use it, no matter how much others appropriate(?) the word. There may be freedom of speech, but I prefer and try not to abuse it. (Even if it's sometimes inexplicably tempting.)

[Bharata Ksetra]

Do people not have bigger issues than this?

[Farnhamia]

Do people not have bigger issues than this?

Not on this forum. Anyway, all the rest of the issues in the US were solved over the weekend. Announcements will be forthcoming during the week.

[Uelvan]

Woah man, you can't say the n word!

[Kanadorika]

Context matters more than anything I suppose. There is nothing wrong with a white man singing along to his favorite rap song and saying the word, but if it is used aggressively by either blacks or whites to demean another black person, the words becomes problematic like all slurs.

[Uelvan]

Alright but real talk here. Can Skeeter Valentine say the n word?

[Ayytaly]

Context matters more than anything I suppose. There is nothing wrong with a white man singing along to his favorite rap song and saying the word, but if it is used aggressively by either blacks or whites to demean another black person, the words becomes problematic like all slurs.

Still a huge hypocrisy for Vanilla Ice and Eminem to not say the word, yet the equally white Fat Joe said it in every single song he's made.

Note: Hispanic is a cultural/linguistial homogeny, not a race proper. If you're blacker than Wesley Snipes and come from a Hispanocentric culture, you're Hispanic.

[Chernoslavia]

Seriously, though? Yeah, sure, keep it legal, but also legalize giving every teenage or way-too-old-for-it edgelord who loves saying it a wedgie or a swirlie.

No.

[Chernoslavia]

Alright but real talk here. Can Skeeter Valentine say the n word?

Yes.

[Liriena]

Seriously, though? Yeah, sure, keep it legal, but also legalize giving every teenage or way-too-old-for-it edgelord who loves saying it a wedgie or a swirlie.

No.

Your opposition only strengthens my resolve.

[Bear Stearns]

whaddup my nigers


It's not racist, it's a country in Africa!

[New Bremerton]

No one should be saying the n-word. Not even black people. This is no way for America to move on from its shameful past. When white people hear black people using the n-word, only to realize they can't use it themselves, not even to rap someone else's lyrics (e.g. the incident involving Kendrick Lamar baiting a white fan into rapping the n-word, then calling her out on it), it's almost as if African-Americans are purposely dangling a forbidden fruit in their faces, tempting them to eat of it and get clobbered in the process. It's a form of unintentional race-baiting that only serves to breed resentment from anyone who isn't black. If African-Americans, and blacks more generally, want white people to stop using the n-word, then they ought to lead by example. Only then will the word truly lose its sting as it falls into complete obscurity and disuse.

As an Asian, I will never use the n-word under any circumstances, not even when quoting from a history textbook or in private conversation, no matter what country I'm in, and I won't be baited or tricked into doing so, not even by Kendrick Lamar who was clearly looking for something to be offended about. Fuck him and his despicable race-baiting antics. I'm not even going to type the word here on NS, Facebook or anywhere else.

[Balthemos]

If people are comfortable with it, go ahead and say it, if they aren't, then mind your mouth. Basic principle of politeness

[The Empire of Pretantia]

No one complains about not being able to use a word they don’t want to.

Objectively wrong.

Immediately after you insisted there wasn’t one. If you refer to a group as monolith and then proscribe a “if they/then they” proposition,

Is there not a group of people who some people believe should be able to use the N-word?

don’t look now but you’ve referred to them as a community.

>Ctrl F community
>All results are from you
Hmmm.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression

Not really, no.

Seeing as the context of the word at its inception is racial, it stands to reason.

Operative phrase being "At its inception." The most common usage I see from the word nowadays is not racial.

That reason being demonstrating fraternal bond with peers I assume you're assuming?

Is it really? This kind of “I’m not touuuuuuuching you” feigned innocence, doesn’t really convince anyone. There are no shortage of words that provide that for you without suggesting a shared history of oppression and otherness.

I suggest those wannabe gangsters living with their mothers take this advice then :^)

Why do you need this one so bad?

I don't?

Remember, we know what was on your flag...

Keep building that strawman.

How so?

You’re not even consuming the product where the word is used in the way you’d like to pretend you would. So why do you care?

You do know typing on a computer takes only minimum effort? Stop telling me I'm wasting my time when I already know that.

No.

Nah, it really does. It gives away your whole bit. Sorry.

Seeing as the thing I changed it to was a member of a fascist anti-terror police unit that is often associated with fascism, fashwave, and Right Wing Death Squad memes, as well as the militant space-nazis from Killzone; all of which would defeat the purpose of changing my flag from a tank nerd in front of a Confederate flag assuming my intent was to make me seem less racist...

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Can't beat the logic I see.

[Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar]

I just realized... the N-word is spelled an awful lot like Niger.

Checkmate, Atheists.

Objectively wrong.

Nope, the fact you call his opinion objectively wrong makes it subjective.

[Big Jim P]

I never use the word as a slur, or something to call someone. I am better than that.

Hand in your edgelord card, you're a fraud.

Never had an edgelord card. Never been an edgelord.

[Sapnu puas]

No, the Demoman did not give Soldier the n-word pass, nor does the n-word pass exist.
The tamer n-word is fine, I guess. (We really shouldn't be using either variations of that word…)
Insert iFunny watermark here

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I just realized... the N-word is spelled an awful lot like Niger.

Checkmate, Atheists.

Objectively wrong.

Nope, the fact you call his opinion objectively wrong makes it subjective.

They presented a subjective opinion that is easily contradicted by facts as an absolute, they're objectively wrong.

[The Underestimated Ones]

N word: nintendo

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Heated gaming moments can be rather unfortunate.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

My view on it is this; to use "nigger" as an insult is repugnant, and almost definitely racist if used to insult a black person, and even to insult a non-black person, a strong case could be made for it being racist. And using it to refer to black people in general is obviously racist. That said, using the (soft a) word as a term of friendship or endearment, equivalent to "mate" is something that I would argue is not racist. And the idea that a white person shouldn't say it at all while it's perfectly fine for a black person to say it is plainly racist. The idea that even saying it in quote or in discussion of the word is problematic is nonsensical to me.

[Cannot think of a name]

No one complains about not being able to use a word they don’t want to.

Objectively wrong.

Immediately after you insisted there wasn’t one. If you refer to a group as monolith and then proscribe a “if they/then they” proposition,

Is there not a group of people who some people believe should be able to use the N-word?

don’t look now but you’ve referred to them as a community.

>Ctrl F community
>All results are from you
Hmmm.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression

Not really, no.

Seeing as the context of the word at its inception is racial, it stands to reason.

Operative phrase being "At its inception." The most common usage I see from the word nowadays is not racial.

Is it really? This kind of “I’m not touuuuuuuching you” feigned innocence, doesn’t really convince anyone. There are no shortage of words that provide that for you without suggesting a shared history of oppression and otherness.

I suggest those wannabe gangsters living with their mothers take this advice then :^)

Why do you need this one so bad?

I don't?

Remember, we know what was on your flag...

Keep building that strawman.

You’re not even consuming the product where the word is used in the way you’d like to pretend you would. So why do you care?

You do know typing on a computer takes only minimum effort? Stop telling me I'm wasting my time when I already know that.

Nah, it really does. It gives away your whole bit. Sorry.

Mm-hmm.

Can't beat the logic I see.

We’ve entered the “nuh-uh” “yeah huh” phase, so that’s fun.

The only new assertion you make is the laughable idea that it’s modern usage has nothing to do with race (and a telling sideswipe on gangster rape that gives you away yet again), which...I mean cmon dude. You had to have been cracking yourself up trying to sell that line.

Anyway, we know why you want to use it, you can still use it that way. We’re just going to accurately judge your character based on that. If that makes you uncomfortable...good.