A Power Struggle Hypothetical

[Terruana]

Isn't this basically just a twist on (spoiler alert) what happened to that one guy in Game of Thrones?

Anyway, I'd like to imagine that if I have that much influence, I could take her into custody and persuade the king to give her a fair trial on his return, in which people could present evidence of her crimes and she would be given the opportunity to defend herself. Also, i would try to make sure her fate was to be decided by more than one person, preferably from different backgrounds, and nobody who was involved in this initial plot to have her killed.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I wanna bring Maoism to a medieval populace just to what happens

To be honest much of rural China was in an almost serfdom-like state of existence just before the Communists took power in 1949 anyway...

Exactly why it’d translate well

[Infected Mushroom]

"I am loyal to the office of the Hand of the King. You, madam, are not a good fit for the office."

Burned

[Infected Mushroom]

It appears that the poll is not looking terribly bright for Miss Delacroix

She is not well liked?

[Valrifell]

It appears that the poll is not looking terribly bright for Miss Delacroix

She is not well liked?

It's because everyone knows she will eventually found an overpriced water company.

[Linderman]

I'm not really a politician. I'm just a military person doing my job and my Hand has given a command. So I escort her out.

[Infected Mushroom]

It appears that the poll is not looking terribly bright for Miss Delacroix

She is not well liked?

It's because everyone knows she will eventually found an overpriced water company.

there's a water company called Delacroix in real life????

[Valrifell]

It's because everyone knows she will eventually found an overpriced water company.

there's a water company called Delacroix in real life????

Well, La Croix, but close enough.

[Infected Mushroom]

there's a water company called Delacroix in real life????

Well, La Croix, but close enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Croix_Sparkling_Water

[Solomons Land]

Well, La Croix, but close enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Croix_Sparkling_Water

:rofl:

Why are we talking about soft drinks in a thread about monarchic coups d'etat?

[Infected Mushroom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Croix_Sparkling_Water

Why are we talking about soft drinks in a thread about monarchic coups d'etat?

Hmmm... I was trying to see why Miss Delacroix is not well liked as per poll

[Abyssal Shipyard]

Kill her off and take over. Support the kingdom by running it efficiently.

[Infected Mushroom]

Kill her off and take over. Support the kingdom by running it efficiently.

Delacroix is a bad ruler?

[Heloin]

Kill her off and take over. Support the kingdom by running it efficiently.

Delacroix is a bad ruler?

She declares pointless wars to waste the armies time and allowed a situation were nobles and the army can be plotting (and successfully execute) her downfall. She's kinda a shit leader.

[Cerinda]

I'd go full Oliver Cromwell on them to be honest.

[Purgatio]

Delacroix is a bad ruler?

She declares pointless wars to waste the armies time and allowed a situation were nobles and the army can be plotting (and successfully execute) her downfall. She's kinda a shit leader.

Every leader has enemies, especially in the context when the actual de jure leader (the King) is an easily-manipulable puppet creating ripe conditions for civil war and different factions jockeying for power. Considering that context, the fact that Delacroix remains in charge is actually fairly impressive and shows her Macchievallian competence. The OP says many of the character's friends are dead within a matter of a few years as potential competitors or rivals for power, which demonstrates Delacroix's competence and shrewdness in efficiently eliminating possible threats to her regime. And she's been able to rise from a low-ranking noble to the most powerful person in the realm, and able to convince the head of state to enrich her own personal wealth, demonstrating powers of persuasian and astute political instincts. And yes, now she does face a threat from a coalition of disgruntled noble families but like I said within the context of a weak head of state challenges to power are more just a natural consequence of those circumstances rather than anything attributable to the incompetence or stupidity of Delacroix specifically. I'd say she sounds like a fairly able and competent ruler to me.

[Infected Mushroom]

Delacroix is a bad ruler?

She declares pointless wars to waste the armies time and allowed a situation were nobles and the army can be plotting (and successfully execute) her downfall. She's kinda a shit leader.

the latter can honestly happen to anyone (unless your a sitting King and your authority is well secured)

[Infected Mushroom]

She declares pointless wars to waste the armies time and allowed a situation were nobles and the army can be plotting (and successfully execute) her downfall. She's kinda a shit leader.

Every leader has enemies, especially in the context when the actual de jure leader (the King) is an easily-manipulable puppet creating ripe conditions for civil war and different factions jockeying for power. Considering that context, the fact that Delacroix remains in charge is actually fairly impressive and shows her Macchievallian competence. The OP says many of the character's friends are dead within a matter of a few years as potential competitors or rivals for power, which demonstrates Delacroix's competence and shrewdness in efficiently eliminating possible threats to her regime. And she's been able to rise from a low-ranking noble to the most powerful person in the realm, and able to convince the head of state to enrich her own personal wealth, demonstrating powers of persuasian and astute political instincts. And yes, now she does face a threat from a coalition of disgruntled noble families but like I said within the context of a weak head of state challenges to power are more just a natural consequence of those circumstances rather than anything attributable to the incompetence or stupidity of Delacroix specifically. I'd say she sounds like a fairly able and competent ruler to me.

I agree.

[Cedoria]

Wait? I'm the military commander here?

Great, I have the power, not them, I've got the swords.

Arrest them both, crown myself temporary dictator, dismantle feudalism, set up schools to teach peasants to read and make the nobles stop marrying each other so damn much (it's the inbreeding that causes their craziness you know), declare a democratic Republic then resign with a good pension and a small bodyguard to enjoy my retirement and protect myself from any inbred crackpot ex-aristocrat trying to bump me off.

[Cedoria]

I'd go full Oliver Cromwell on them to be honest.

I like you.

[Heloin]

She declares pointless wars to waste the armies time and allowed a situation were nobles and the army can be plotting (and successfully execute) her downfall. She's kinda a shit leader.

the latter can honestly happen to anyone (unless your a sitting King and your authority is well secured)

The latter wouldn't be happening if she wasn't wasting the armies time.

[Purgatio]

Wait? I'm the military commander here?

Great, I have the power, not them, I've got the swords.

Arrest them both, crown myself temporary dictator, dismantle feudalism, set up schools to teach peasants to read and make the nobles stop marrying each other so damn much (it's the inbreeding that causes their craziness you know), declare a democratic Republic then resign with a good pension and a small bodyguard to enjoy my retirement and protect myself from any inbred crackpot ex-aristocrat trying to bump me off.

People who effect sudden radical reforms in a society under social conditions ill-suited to handle those reforms have generally not ended their political careers very well.

See what happened to Kang Youwei during Qing China's Great Leap Forward. Or Robespierre and the Jacobins. Also I don't know how you're protect yourself from "any inbred crackpot ex-aristocrat trying to bump me off" when practically every member of the noble class is gonna fall into that category after you've effected your reforms.

[Infected Mushroom]

Wait? I'm the military commander here?

Great, I have the power, not them, I've got the swords.

Arrest them both, crown myself temporary dictator, dismantle feudalism, set up schools to teach peasants to read and make the nobles stop marrying each other so damn much (it's the inbreeding that causes their craziness you know), declare a democratic Republic then resign with a good pension and a small bodyguard to enjoy my retirement and protect myself from any inbred crackpot ex-aristocrat trying to bump me off.

People who effect sudden radical reforms in a society under social conditions ill-suited to handle those reforms have generally not ended their political careers very well.

See what happened to Kang Youwei during Qing China's Great Leap Forward. Or Robespierre and the Jacobins. Also I don't know how you're protect yourself from "any inbred crackpot ex-aristocrat trying to bump me off" when practically every member of the noble class is gonna fall into that category after you've effected your reforms.

Indeed. I completely agree with this.

[Infected Mushroom]

the latter can honestly happen to anyone (unless your a sitting King and your authority is well secured)

The latter wouldn't be happening if she wasn't wasting the armies time.

She was sending you away from the capital so she could make moves here to increase her power base and influence the King

[Heloin]

The latter wouldn't be happening if she wasn't wasting the armies time.

She was sending you away from the capital so she could make moves here to increase her power base and influence the King

And then she allowed the army back into the capital. An Army that she thinks is loyal only because once she threatened it's highest ranking general and I didn't try to arrest her then. She should have killed me off or kept me busy in the pointless war.

You and also Purgatio keep thinking as the general I'm doing this coup on a whim. The moment she threatened me to reaffirm my loyalty I would have begun moving troops, started replacing Royal Guards in the Capital with soldiers from the army, and set up the planes to find a scapegoat for this coup. The Nobles trying to over through her first is great cause they've just made themselves the perfect scapegoats.