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Do you help Felicie?

“That’s NOT happening.” Sit back and watch the show.
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Total votes : 48

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Purgatio
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Postby Purgatio » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:41 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
...didn't Cromwell make himself Lord Protector? A position which was lifetime, heritable and went to his son?

No. It was not heritable. He had the right to designate a successor.

In any case, 10/10, I approve of the Cromwellian solution.


Well, even if not officially heritable, he appointed his own son as the successor (as most would), which I'd argue made it a monarchy in everything but name.

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Purgatio
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Postby Purgatio » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:42 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Always great to have as your model a political faction that famously ended with widespread massacres and paranoid killing of anyone vaguely to the right of the Jacobins as 'counter-revolutionaries' under the Reign of Terror.

Your flag is fascist; therefore you are wrong by default.


I'm sorry, what?

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Uxupox
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Postby Uxupox » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:46 am

Purgatio wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:No. It was not heritable. He had the right to designate a successor.

In any case, 10/10, I approve of the Cromwellian solution.


Well, even if not officially heritable, he appointed his own son as the successor (as most would), which I'd argue made it a monarchy in everything but name.


He was a literal monarch without the negative cognitation of being one.
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Purgatio
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Postby Purgatio » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:47 am

Uxupox wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Well, even if not officially heritable, he appointed his own son as the successor (as most would), which I'd argue made it a monarchy in everything but name.


He was a literal monarch without the negative cognitation of being one.


Yeap, sounds like someone was desperate to have the best of both worlds. Cromwell trying to have his cake and eat it too.

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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:02 am

Purgatio wrote:
I'm sorry, what?

You have a fascist symbol on your flag.
NOT STORMTROOPERS
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Caracasus
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Postby Caracasus » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:05 am

Uxupox wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Well, even if not officially heritable, he appointed his own son as the successor (as most would), which I'd argue made it a monarchy in everything but name.


He was a literal monarch without the negative cognitation of being one.


Not really, no. It's a fair bit more complicated than that.
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Purgatio
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Postby Purgatio » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:07 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
I'm sorry, what?

You have a fascist symbol on your flag.


Right....which is relevant to this topic, how?

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Internationalist Bastard
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:30 am

I’m a military commander fighting in a pointless war?
I’ll prevent the coup then write War is a Racket
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San Marlindo
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Postby San Marlindo » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:44 am

Defending Felicie from the nobles gives me a ton of powerful enemies among the nobility - even if the ones directly involved in the plot get purged. Their families and allies may not be able to finish off Felicie, but they can take revenge against a weaker player that resulted in the failure and/or deaths of their friends.I may not survive the next year, month, or week.

Letting the nobles kill Felicie has no consequences to speak of. The king is so idiotic he can easily get swayed into buying a coverup. Felicie can't avenge herself because she's dead.

So walk out. If I didn't see it happen, it didn't happen. I'm not going to watch the show. This guy just happened to be absent when Felecie met her mysterious end.

However, the heat gets to me. Too many people in that room saw me leave her to her doom. If one of them makes a drunken slip of tongue that gets into the wrong ears of the king or one of Felicie's other friends, I'm done for. So wait a year or two and take early retirement. Disappear into a foreign kingdom, never to be seen again. I hear one in particular is in need of mercenaries.
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:46 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Valrifell wrote:Abolish the monarchy

Poison them all or just shoot them?


Yes
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:50 am

Valrifell wrote:
Yes

Good choice
NOT STORMTROOPERS
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Godular
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Postby Godular » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:16 am

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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:35 pm

Time to kill her.
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:06 pm

Same answer as before. Unite the serfs and overthrow the entire political order.
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Internationalist Bastard
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:08 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Same answer as before. Unite the serfs and overthrow the entire political order.

I wanna bring Maoism to a medieval populace just to what happens
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Dogmeat
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Dogmeat » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:12 pm

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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:14 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Same answer as before. Unite the serfs and overthrow the entire political order.


Excellent choice
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:16 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Same answer as before. Unite the serfs and overthrow the entire political order.

I wanna bring Maoism to a medieval populace just to what happens

Mao will fix the problems by killing them, all hail Mao.
NOT STORMTROOPERS
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Internationalist Bastard
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:20 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I wanna bring Maoism to a medieval populace just to what happens

Mao will fix the problems by killing them, all hail Mao.

I’m more just curious if a communist message focused on peasants working the land to take down their lords and religion would take hold in a significant population in a medieval society, and if so if a communist rebellion could be successful in a era where warfare is still dominated by a military elite trained for warfare their whole lives.
I’m less interested in how it’d function once it’s established then I am in just seeing what would happen
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Sicaris
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Postby Sicaris » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:23 pm

I’d execute her myself.

Maybe seize power if I feel like it.
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:26 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical:

You are a powerful military commander in the king’s army.

I resign and start/join a movement agitating for the abolition of the monarchy.


Andsed wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
You do realize that what Game of Thrones is depicting is literally feudalism, right?

Sure it may have some basis in medieval times but to suggest Game of Thrones is an accurate representation of the medieval era is incredibly wrong.

Fast travel wasn't invented until the late 19th century.


Heloin wrote:
Valrifell wrote:Abolish the monarchy

Image

Abolish Cromwell.


Uxupox wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Connected to the lictors, who accompanied many magistrates, even before imperator was a title, all the way back to the kings of Rome.


Yea. It’s a very ancient thing and calling it a fascist symbol because an Italian buffoon decides to adopt it as his own is inflammatory at best.

There's nothing fascist about the fasces symbol, just like there's nothing Nazi about the Swastika and nothing Hitlery about a square moustache. Facial hair has been around for millions of years, it is very inflammatory to suggest that there are connotations related to more recent history. Very inflammatory. I am inflamed right now at the very thought.
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Cerinda
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Cerinda » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:38 pm

Yeah that bitch is going. It's a little bit more than a coincidence that so many people have died around the time she's entered the scene, she's clearly trying to get more power and might kill me or the king in the future. So yeah, she's got to go.
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:04 pm

Ifreann wrote:There's nothing fascist about the fasces symbol, just like there's nothing Nazi about the Swastika and nothing Hitlery about a square moustache. Facial hair has been around for millions of years, it is very inflammatory to suggest that there are connotations related to more recent history. Very inflammatory. I am inflamed right now at the very thought.

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:06 pm

Heloin wrote:
Ifreann wrote:There's nothing fascist about the fasces symbol, just like there's nothing Nazi about the Swastika and nothing Hitlery about a square moustache. Facial hair has been around for millions of years, it is very inflammatory to suggest that there are connotations related to more recent history. Very inflammatory. I am inflamed right now at the very thought.

You're flaming! Look out here comes the heat! I'm calling the firefighters right now it's so hot in here! It's really hot? Oh god, the thread's on fire... EVERYONE GET OUT!

Don't play with matches.

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The New California Republic
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:11 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Same answer as before. Unite the serfs and overthrow the entire political order.

I wanna bring Maoism to a medieval populace just to what happens

To be honest much of rural China was in an almost serfdom-like state of existence just before the Communists took power in 1949 anyway...
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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