Intersectionalism reaching full madness?

[Thermodolia]

Trump has no interest in advancing the rights of LGBT people. When asked about this push he didn't even care enough to pretend to know what he was being asked about, he just said he didn't know what the reporter was referring to. I can't imagine that LGBT Americans appreciate being used as a cudgel by the same party that only a few short years ago was fighting against marriage equality.

LGBT American here I don’t really give a shit

[Thermodolia]

Which is irrelevant. The question is, does this have potential benefit for LGBT's? The answer is yes.

#notyourshield

And if Trump and co care so much about LGBT rights, why isn't that reflected and indeed is that outright contradicted in actual GOP policy?

Vass Id rather that Trump be somewhat ok with The Gays^TM than totally opposed. I don’t care that he’s doing the right thing the wrong way. Iran needs to change its LGBT stance

[Thermodolia]

But yeah, if the GOP actually want people to believe that they're pro-LGBT rights then they need to stop with the stunts, end the transgender military ban, end the whole thing about allowing medical professionals to put personal belief before professional ethics and thus refuse to treat LGBT patients, and end the push for marriage bans.

For a start.

That wasn't my point: they aren't friendly towards homosexual people, they are just less hostile than Iranians.
My point was: in such case their move is good for homosexual people, so they shouldn't be attacked.

Vass you’re making me agree with Chess. Stop making me do that

[Kowani]

#notyourshield

And if Trump and co care so much about LGBT rights, why isn't that reflected and indeed is that outright contradicted in actual GOP policy?

Vass Id rather that Trump be somewhat ok with The Gays^TM than totally opposed. I don’t care that he’s doing the right thing the wrong way. Iran needs to change its LGBT stance

If Trump bothers hitting US allies with awful LGBT policies as well, I’ll grudgingly clap. Heck, if anything changes at all, I’ll grudgingly clap. We all know the first won’t, but maybe the second will.

[Sammy Davis Junior]

When you're so anti-Trump that you're willing to hang gay brown men to spite him. The same people criticizing his administration for doing this are the same people who would criticize him for not doing anything about the issue.

[Sammy Davis Junior]

I imagine the LGBT individuals in those countries might appreciate some help, though.

There is a bigger danger here, as happened in Russia, when LGBT rights groups take aid from foreign governments, there is quid-pro-quo, namely that the LGBT rights groups are encouraged to promote the interests of said foreign government. This makes the LGBT rights groups a potential fifth column, thus opening them up for increased persecution and being discredited.

The only post to actually make a legitimate criticism.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

Has anyone claimed this as an example of western secular imperialism yet?

Because I almost have bingo.

[Scomagia]

Or he just picks and chooses what policies to mention. I have no clue beyond that, although the unrelenting Deep State/MSM propaganda attacks against him might be diverting his attention a lot.

He was specifically asked about a policy. He didn't know about it. Either he didn't know about what his government was doing or he lied.

Or he forgot. He's a 72 year old man who sleeps 4-5 hours a night, has a ton of different aspects of domestic and foreign policy to remember, doesn't exercise, and eats fast food on a regular basis. I think it's safe to say that his memory is probably not great.

[Vassenor]

When you're so anti-Trump that you're willing to hang gay brown men to spite him. The same people criticizing his administration for doing this are the same people who would criticize him for not doing anything about the issue.

So today in "shit nobody has said"...

[Vassenor]

As I read through this thread these hashtags that vassenor is dropping keeps pissing me off because they are so arrogant, rude, and immature. Rather then argue a point, he discredits other peoples points.

I think I took care of that with facts and logic. Vassenor is strangely silent now, although I'll give her the benefit of the doubt due to our different time zones in case she wants to enter the Thunderdome with me again.

See, this was your first mistake. Acting like online discussions are some sort of Game to be won, and being so desperate for that win that you're prepared to consider other people having things to do other than debate with you like sleep to be a victory.

Second, your train of logic so far doesn't actually make sense. What Obama and Clinton have or have not done is entirely irrelevant to whether I criticise Trump for using people like me for a glorified publicity stunt intended to do nothing more than harangue a perceived enemy.

[Aellex]

"Give me liberty or give me death!" - some unAmerican cuck

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No one's defending Iran.

It's the classic "you're either with us or with the terrorists" logic. Since we won't unambiguously support Trump we must clearly support and defend Iran.

Since you oppose Trump in that for no other reason than "Orange Man Bad", you clearly aren't concerned about the fate of your brethren in Iran or see it as less important than shitting on your own democratically elected president.

[Page]

I should have this on copypaste for all the times I've had to say it on NSG:

Intersectionality (the correct term, not intersectionalism) is not an ideology. It is a sociological theory. Intersectionality does not have an agenda, it is merely a way of analyzing inequality and oppression in a society. You consider class, ethnicity, gender, and sexuality and how all of these factors intersect with one another.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

No idea is inherently entirely good or entirely bad. You can criticise the bad things of a good policy and praise the good things of a bad policy. Certainly, fighting for decriminalisation of LGBTQ+ people around the world is a good thing, and this should be encouraged. However, knowing that Trump and Pence have never been very pro-LGBTQ+, it is very important to keep an eye out for their incentive, because their incentive will guide future actions. It matters whether this policy is primarily meant to help gay people or to punish certain regimes the US doesn't agree with in other points, because if the latter is the case, the push for LGBTQ+ rights will stop the moment the US gets concessions.

[Kaystein]

Support Richard Greller. Don't give trump the credit.

[Technocratic Uganda]

Cute twinks and traps are a million times more tolerable than radical feminist bulldykes at this point, especially with modern advancements in hormone replacement therapy and thigh-high socks. Prolonged exposure to internet pornography has been shown by some studies to cause bisexuality as well, meaning you can quite easily ease yourself into having this as an option just by doing what every other heterosexual male with an internet connection is doing.

Feminists want the world police United States of America to act as a defender of their interests on the world stage just like every other radicalised special interest group does. Ladyboy tourism in third world countries reduces male dependence on feminist western women, making it harder for them to normalise next-gen bugman workerdrone forms of betabuxxing such as hotwifing and one-sided "polyamory". These women need to tie themselves to the support of men to survive, making low-status wage slaves with no options a valuable asset. If we want to shift the blame from them and be kind to them, it should be noted that the media subjects Western women to princess programming from birth and, at the same time, modern education completely fails to teach people vital financial planning skills. The average woman is conditioned to be a consumer who thinks she is God's gift to men and the world around her, she shops as a hobby and feels entitled to spend more of her weekly wages on alcohol, makeup, clothes and premium tinder than she does on food. A problem with women? Not quite, look at the men she uses as bottomless human wallets to sustain her lifestyle, who spend much of their waking adult lives working for no real rewards except for accommodation (increasingly rented, with it taking a century of work just to buy a flat in a major city), sustenance (garbage food that causes inflammatory reactions from the body and predisposes you to bowel cancer, remaining simple pleasures like red meat are now being phased out due to cost with the elite pushing soylent and insects as alternatives for protein) and just enough digital stimulation to tolerate modern life. The average working bugman could suddenly receive communist labour vouchers that can only be used to purchase a limited basic array of things instead of money to cover his living expenses, and despite the fact corporate-manufactured media is probably a large part of his identity not much would change.

He is a neutered worker drone and this is the fault of social conditioning. It's the same case with the behaviour of the "feminist" (really just out for her interests and rationalising it with politics, the term feminism might as well be replaced with anything else) modern woman. The system is set up so that the neutered drone insect man and the loud, independent, hog-like in temperament and appearance feminist woman both unhealthily come together to establish relationships that end in divorce more than fifty percent of the time. A variety of corporate actors, from divorce lawyers to whoever works at Louis Vuitton, all benefit from this. However, with the introduction of social media giving women greater sexual freedom than ever before, the feminist woman cannot help but monkey-branch to more suitable men (this is inevitable due to simple reproductive biology, a woman's share in reproduction is more costly than a male's and a woman has limited eggs so it makes sense for her to be more selective, the top 20% of men have 80% of all sex with women) and cuck her drone partner. There is only so much social conditioning that can be inflicted upon the bugman before he finally stands up, listens to the genetic code that uses him as a host shouting at him that his legacy is dead meat if this keeps up and that he does not benefit from his situation at all, and he decides that walking out of the situation might actually be better than being a cuckold. Meanwhile in the younger generations that have only known social media, avoidant low-status males are cast aside by feminist women from the start. The shriveled up, appendix-like vestige of the traditional relationship that was only kept around so decaying middle-aged women could milk their harder-working male counterparts is now nearing its much-anticipated demise.

Can the welfare state last forever? Ask a libertarian, who should be able to provide you a very long-winded explanation as to why it can't. Even if you continue to believe it can, note that you cannot be 100% sure and the possibility of collapse always lingers.

If the welfare state collapsed tomorrow, fat, used up middle aged feminist women would litter America's footpaths like dead seabirds next to an industrial pollution site. The smell of overpriced perfume bought with their sexless husbands' money would quickly be replaced by the smell of putrefaction wafting through summer air. Women, who have spent millions of years exchanging their reproductive rights for men's ability to provide resources and security, are innately sensetive to this possibility and feel an urge to do everything in their power to stop anything like it from happening. Preventing men from outsourcing sex with third world ladyboys is one of the many things feminists are currently trying to do because of this situation. It's the same as sex bot legislation, loli porn legislation and every attempted anti-porn movement (including sex worker exclusionary radical feminism, which the OP is a part of unsurprisingly) that has ever been established by feminists.

Look at what people around you are doing and always question their motives, then act accordingly. The world is not safe or fair, protect yourself and those you love who are glad to see you protected.

[Vassenor]

Cute twinks and traps are a million times more tolerable than radical feminist bulldykes at this point, especially with modern advancements in hormone replacement therapy and thigh-high socks. Prolonged exposure to internet pornography has been shown by some studies to cause bisexuality as well, meaning you can quite easily ease yourself into having this as an option just by doing what every other heterosexual male with an internet connection is doing.

Feminists want the world police United States of America to act as a defender of their interests on the world stage just like every other radicalised special interest group does. Ladyboy tourism in third world countries reduces male dependence on feminist western women, making it harder for them to normalise next-gen bugman workerdrone forms of betabuxxing such as hotwifing and one-sided "polyamory". These women need to tie themselves to the support of men to survive, making low-status wage slaves with no options a valuable asset. If we want to shift the blame from them and be kind to them, it should be noted that the media subjects Western women to princess programming from birth and, at the same time, modern education completely fails to teach people vital financial planning skills. The average woman is conditioned to be a consumer who thinks she is God's gift to men and the world around her, she shops as a hobby and feels entitled to spend more of her weekly wages on alcohol, makeup, clothes and premium tinder than she does on food. A problem with women? Not quite, look at the men she uses as bottomless human wallets to sustain her lifestyle, who spend much of their waking adult lives working for no real rewards except for accommodation (increasingly rented, with it taking a century of work just to buy a flat in a major city), sustenance (garbage food that causes inflammatory reactions from the body and predisposes you to bowel cancer, remaining simple pleasures like red meat are now being phased out due to cost with the elite pushing soylent and insects as alternatives for protein) and just enough digital stimulation to tolerate modern life. The average working bugman could suddenly receive communist labour vouchers that can only be used to purchase a limited basic array of things instead of money to cover his living expenses, and despite the fact corporate-manufactured media is probably a large part of his identity not much would change.

He is a neutered worker drone and this is the fault of social conditioning. It's the same case with the behaviour of the "feminist" (really just out for her interests and rationalising it with politics, the term feminism might as well be replaced with anything else) modern woman. The system is set up so that the neutered drone insect man and the loud, independent, hog-like in temperament and appearance feminist woman both unhealthily come together to establish relationships that end in divorce more than fifty percent of the time. A variety of corporate actors, from divorce lawyers to whoever works at Louis Vuitton, all benefit from this. However, with the introduction of social media giving women greater sexual freedom than ever before, the feminist woman cannot help but monkey-branch to more suitable men (this is inevitable due to simple reproductive biology, a woman's share in reproduction is more costly than a male's and a woman has limited eggs so it makes sense for her to be more selective, the top 20% of men have 80% of all sex with women) and cuck her drone partner. There is only so much social conditioning that can be inflicted upon the bugman before he finally stands up, listens to the genetic code that uses him as a host shouting at him that his legacy is dead meat if this keeps up and that he does not benefit from his situation at all, and he decides that walking out of the situation might actually be better than being a cuckold. Meanwhile in the younger generations that have only known social media, avoidant low-status males are cast aside by feminist women from the start. The shriveled up, appendix-like vestige of the traditional relationship that was only kept around so decaying middle-aged women could milk their harder-working male counterparts is now nearing its much-anticipated demise.

Can the welfare state last forever? Ask a libertarian, who should be able to provide you a very long-winded explanation as to why it can't. Even if you continue to believe it can, note that you cannot be 100% sure and the possibility of collapse always lingers.

If the welfare state collapsed tomorrow, fat, used up middle aged feminist women would litter America's footpaths like dead seabirds next to an industrial pollution site. The smell of overpriced perfume bought with their sexless husbands' money would quickly be replaced by the smell of putrefaction wafting through summer air. Women, who have spent millions of years exchanging their reproductive rights for men's ability to provide resources and security, are innately sensetive to this possibility and feel an urge to do everything in their power to stop anything like it from happening. Preventing men from outsourcing sex with third world ladyboys is one of the many things feminists are currently trying to do because of this situation. It's the same as sex bot legislation, loli porn legislation and every attempted anti-porn movement (including sex worker exclusionary radical feminism, which the OP is a part of unsurprisingly) that has ever been established by feminists.

Look at what people around you are doing and always question their motives, then act accordingly. The world is not safe or fair, protect yourself and those you love who are glad to see you protected.

What the actual fuck does this have to do with Trump's attempts to use LGBT rights to bludgeon Iran?

[Technocratic Uganda]

What the actual fuck does this have to do with Trump's attempts to use LGBT rights to bludgeon Iran?

Intersectional feminists oppose genuine improvements in LGBT rights in the middle east because it will open up another front for western tourism used to replace them with none of the downsides, in places like Thailand usually not for more than 100 USD (a long session in beer bars will usually be no more than 2000 baht, which is about 62 US dollars). Crying racism or Trump this and that is an attempt to cover up this series of facts by those attempting to campaign against our interests.

[The Archregimancy]

Cute twinks and traps are a million times more tolerable than radical feminist bulldykes at this point, especially with modern advancements in hormone replacement therapy and thigh-high socks. Prolonged exposure to internet pornography has been shown by some studies to cause bisexuality as well, meaning you can quite easily ease yourself into having this as an option just by doing what every other heterosexual male with an internet connection is doing.

Feminists want the world police United States of America to act as a defender of their interests on the world stage just like every other radicalised special interest group does. Ladyboy tourism in third world countries reduces male dependence on feminist western women, making it harder for them to normalise next-gen bugman workerdrone forms of betabuxxing such as hotwifing and one-sided "polyamory". These women need to tie themselves to the support of men to survive, making low-status wage slaves with no options a valuable asset. If we want to shift the blame from them and be kind to them, it should be noted that the media subjects Western women to princess programming from birth and, at the same time, modern education completely fails to teach people vital financial planning skills. The average woman is conditioned to be a consumer who thinks she is God's gift to men and the world around her, she shops as a hobby and feels entitled to spend more of her weekly wages on alcohol, makeup, clothes and premium tinder than she does on food. A problem with women? Not quite, look at the men she uses as bottomless human wallets to sustain her lifestyle, who spend much of their waking adult lives working for no real rewards except for accommodation (increasingly rented, with it taking a century of work just to buy a flat in a major city), sustenance (garbage food that causes inflammatory reactions from the body and predisposes you to bowel cancer, remaining simple pleasures like red meat are now being phased out due to cost with the elite pushing soylent and insects as alternatives for protein) and just enough digital stimulation to tolerate modern life. The average working bugman could suddenly receive communist labour vouchers that can only be used to purchase a limited basic array of things instead of money to cover his living expenses, and despite the fact corporate-manufactured media is probably a large part of his identity not much would change.

He is a neutered worker drone and this is the fault of social conditioning. It's the same case with the behaviour of the "feminist" (really just out for her interests and rationalising it with politics, the term feminism might as well be replaced with anything else) modern woman. The system is set up so that the neutered drone insect man and the loud, independent, hog-like in temperament and appearance feminist woman both unhealthily come together to establish relationships that end in divorce more than fifty percent of the time. A variety of corporate actors, from divorce lawyers to whoever works at Louis Vuitton, all benefit from this. However, with the introduction of social media giving women greater sexual freedom than ever before, the feminist woman cannot help but monkey-branch to more suitable men (this is inevitable due to simple reproductive biology, a woman's share in reproduction is more costly than a male's and a woman has limited eggs so it makes sense for her to be more selective, the top 20% of men have 80% of all sex with women) and cuck her drone partner. There is only so much social conditioning that can be inflicted upon the bugman before he finally stands up, listens to the genetic code that uses him as a host shouting at him that his legacy is dead meat if this keeps up and that he does not benefit from his situation at all, and he decides that walking out of the situation might actually be better than being a cuckold. Meanwhile in the younger generations that have only known social media, avoidant low-status males are cast aside by feminist women from the start. The shriveled up, appendix-like vestige of the traditional relationship that was only kept around so decaying middle-aged women could milk their harder-working male counterparts is now nearing its much-anticipated demise.

Can the welfare state last forever? Ask a libertarian, who should be able to provide you a very long-winded explanation as to why it can't. Even if you continue to believe it can, note that you cannot be 100% sure and the possibility of collapse always lingers.

If the welfare state collapsed tomorrow, fat, used up middle aged feminist women would litter America's footpaths like dead seabirds next to an industrial pollution site. The smell of overpriced perfume bought with their sexless husbands' money would quickly be replaced by the smell of putrefaction wafting through summer air. Women, who have spent millions of years exchanging their reproductive rights for men's ability to provide resources and security, are innately sensetive to this possibility and feel an urge to do everything in their power to stop anything like it from happening. Preventing men from outsourcing sex with third world ladyboys is one of the many things feminists are currently trying to do because of this situation. It's the same as sex bot legislation, loli porn legislation and every attempted anti-porn movement (including sex worker exclusionary radical feminism, which the OP is a part of unsurprisingly) that has ever been established by feminists.

Look at what people around you are doing and always question their motives, then act accordingly. The world is not safe or fair, protect yourself and those you love who are glad to see you protected.

Technocratic Uganda, *** 7 day ban for trolling. ***

You really need to be considering whether your posting behaviour here in NSG is constructive.

[Dumb Ideologies]

>tfw the most entertaining thing you read on this site in years gets 7 day ban.

[Free Arabian Nation]

What in the name of Vishnu's testicles?

This... this is just kinda ridicioulous

[Anantpura]

I know this won't be popular, but this is a hegemonic decision that undermines the sovereignty of many nations and national self-determination. Why should a guy in the opposite end of the globe decide the internal policies of my nation??

[The Archregimancy]

>tfw the most entertaining thing you read on this site in years gets 7 day ban.

Unfortunately, a post's entertainment value is no fool-proof guide to whether or not it should be considered actionable.

And Technocratic Uganda has a remarkable track record for someone with under 200 posts.

[Uxupox]

But yeah, if the GOP actually want people to believe that they're pro-LGBT rights then they need to stop with the stunts, end the transgender military ban, end the whole thing about allowing medical professionals to put personal belief before professional ethics and thus refuse to treat LGBT patients, and end the push for marriage bans.

For a start.

Transgender ban was placed due to the “deploy or get out” mantra that was enforced by our precios DoD secretary Mattis. If you can’t deploy due to personal preference then you essentially become a force detractor which entirely means an enemy of efficiency. The military isn’t built to enforce social phenomenon but to kill and brutalize in the most efficient manner while minimizing the same to your own forces.

[Valrifell]

Vass Id rather that Trump be somewhat ok with The Gays^TM than totally opposed. I don’t care that he’s doing the right thing the wrong way. Iran needs to change its LGBT stance

If Trump bothers hitting US allies with awful LGBT policies as well, I’ll grudgingly clap. Heck, if anything changes at all, I’ll grudgingly clap. We all know the first won’t, but maybe the second will.

Imo acknowledging the issue itself is deserving of very grudging praise.

But, again, rhetoric only goes so far when dealing with hostile states or states that promote the American world order. We don't really wanna piss either group off too much.

[Purgatio]

I know this won't be popular, but this is a hegemonic decision that undermines the sovereignty of many nations and national self-determination. Why should a guy in the opposite end of the globe decide the internal policies of my nation??

As far as I can tell, the policy is aimed at promoting LGBT rights and equality by encouraging and pressuring countries to change their laws and protect LGBT rights. That isn't hegemonic. It's not like Trump is saying he will invade countries that breach LGBT rights and install pro-LGBT puppet governments or anything like that.

Also, I should probably point out this absolutist approach implies that international law should have nothing to say about genocide, ethnic cleansing, crimes against humanity and what not. Maybe that is the position you take, who knows.