Idaho Republicans block ban on child marriage

[Vassenor]

I'm running out of snark for this sort of crap.

Idaho’s statehouse Republicans killed a bill that would have created a minimum marriage age in the state, essentially cementing the state’s continued reign as America’s number-one hot spot for newlyweds too young to vote and/or drive. The Idaho Statesman reports that HR 98, which would have eliminated marriage licenses for those 15 and under, and have strengthened the consent requirements for those 16 and 17, failed by a vote of 28-39, with 3 abstaining.

Like... what is even the logic here at all? What makes it so vitally important to be able to marry someone who cannot legally consent to it?

[Hurdergaryp]

The Idaho Republicans are clearly very proud of their state's reputation as the USA's capital for child marriages.

[Manokan Republic]

While I'm against it, I think it's more of an idaho thing rather than a Republican thing specifically.

[Vassenor]

While I'm against it, I think it's more of an idaho thing rather than a Republican thing specifically.

I dunno, after the Tennessee GOP did the same thing a while back I'm not so sure.

[Xelsis]

Given that society currently considers children far younger than fifteen able to consent to hormone treatments and sex-change surgery, why not marriage?

Of the two, it's the far less life-altering.

[Vassenor]

Given that society currently considers children far younger than fifteen able to consent to hormone treatments and sex-change surgery, why not marriage?

Of the two, it's the far less life-altering.

Posting blatant falsehoods to try and NO U this discussion to a close? That's weak.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

It's funny, back in the day getting married at 13-15 was the norm.

Thing is, it's not back in the day anymore, and this ban is quite reasonable.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Eh, like somebody else said, this is less of a Republican thing and more of a Idaho thing lol

That’s just reject Montana for ya!

[Cetacea]

Not just Idaho

Its been pointed out by international Human Rights groups that the US has worse child marriage laws than Afghanistan (Minimum Age 16) whereas in the US 17 states have no minimum age of marriage, 2 states have a minimum age of 14 and 5 states have a minimum age of 15.

Like many of the unsavory aspects of US conservative culture, tolerance of child marriage seems to be well ingrained in America. Its not a new phenomena and its well known that many evangelical churchs actively advocate for young girls marrying much older men.

But for state politicians to actually defend the practice and outright block efforts to end it is still incomprehensible, just another addition to the Litany of WTF Murica?!!!!!

[Xelsis]

Given that society currently considers children far younger than fifteen able to consent to hormone treatments and sex-change surgery, why not marriage?

Of the two, it's the far less life-altering.

Posting blatant falsehoods to try and NO U this discussion to a close? That's weak.

Are you actually claiming that no youth under fifteen are encouraged into hormone therapy/SRS? That's not a difficult claim to disprove.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sex-change ... -the-rise/

"Blatant falsehoods".

[Purgatio]

Anyone else vomitted in their mouth seeing the picture in the OP's linked article of that terrified and frightened little girl and the sleazy old man who is her husband wrapping a possessive hand around her shoulder? My god, how do people who do this sleep at night

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

Anyone else vomitted in their mouth seeing the picture in the OP's linked article of that terrified and frightened little girl and the sleazy old man who is her husband wrapping a possessive hand around her shoulder? My god, how do people who do this sleep at night

They were actors.

[Manokan Republic]

While I'm against it, I think it's more of an idaho thing rather than a Republican thing specifically.

I dunno, after the Tennessee GOP did the same thing a while back I'm not so sure.

Well not the exact same thing since idaho has different laws, but various states still allow marriages or relationships at younger ages than 18, and this is true across the U.S. Also being married doesn't always mean of the age of consent for sex, but it depends on the place. There are also democrat held areas with lower than 18 marriages, such as Connecticut (16), New Hampshire (16), Hawaii (15), and Maryland (15), as well as territories that are democrat leaning such as Puerto rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands and the district of colombia.

[New Sukberia]

I'm running out of snark for this sort of crap.

Idaho’s statehouse Republicans killed a bill that would have created a minimum marriage age in the state, essentially cementing the state’s continued reign as America’s number-one hot spot for newlyweds too young to vote and/or drive. The Idaho Statesman reports that HR 98, which would have eliminated marriage licenses for those 15 and under, and have strengthened the consent requirements for those 16 and 17, failed by a vote of 28-39, with 3 abstaining.

Like... what is even the logic here at all? What makes it so vitally important to be able to marry someone who cannot legally consent to it?

Children can't consent. They can't. When will peopne understand this?

[Vassenor]

Posting blatant falsehoods to try and NO U this discussion to a close? That's weak.

Are you actually claiming that no youth under fifteen are encouraged into hormone therapy/SRS? That's not a difficult claim to disprove.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sex-change ... -the-rise/

"Blatant falsehoods".

Notice how your article doesn't say anything about children being pushed towards getting SRS pre-AOC.

Also do you have anything that isn't six years old?

[Manokan Republic]

Not just Idaho

Its been pointed out by international Human Rights groups that the US has worse child marriage laws than Afghanistan (Minimum Age 16) whereas in the US 17 states have no minimum age of marriage, 2 states have a minimum age of 14 and 5 states have a minimum age of 15.

Like many of the unsavory aspects of US conservative culture, tolerance of child marriage seems to be well ingrained in America. Its not a new phenomena and its well known that many evangelical churchs actively advocate for young girls marrying much older men.

But for state politicians to actually defend the practice and outright block efforts to end it is still incomprehensible, just another addition to the Litany of WTF Murica?!!!!!

Marriage doesn't mean consent to sex, so you can be married and still not able to consent to sex. Also afghanistan is not really that bad of a place, Iran or Pakistan are really worse places. Something like 24% of the marraiges are under 18 in Pakistan, and ages of 13-15 are possible for girls legally, with it being socially acceptable at much younger ages. Unfortunately, this is also generally the age of consent in these countries.

[Purgatio]

Anyone else vomitted in their mouth seeing the picture in the OP's linked article of that terrified and frightened little girl and the sleazy old man who is her husband wrapping a possessive hand around her shoulder? My god, how do people who do this sleep at night

They were actors.

I know, I read the caption, but the social experiment was intended to portray something that actually happens and to shock the public, and I'm saying my reaction to it was disgust.

[Cetacea]

Anyone else vomitted in their mouth seeing the picture in the OP's linked article of that terrified and frightened little girl and the sleazy old man who is her husband wrapping a possessive hand around her shoulder? My god, how do people who do this sleep at night

They were actors, the scene was created in New York as a social experiment to highlight child marriage as an issue in the US. Before 2017 New York state allowed marriage at 14, but minimum age has since been raised to 17.

SO he was suppose to look creepy and the girl innocent, it seems they still illicit the desired effect ...

[Purgatio]

While I'm against it, I think it's more of an idaho thing rather than a Republican thing specifically.

It's a Republican thing. GOP lawmakers did the same shit in Tennessee too (https://eu.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/03/07/tennessee-republicans-child-marriage-bill-gay-marriage-argument/404559002/)

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

I know, I read the caption, but the social experiment was intended to portray something that actually happens and to shock the public, and I'm saying my reaction to it was disgust.

Ahh, I see. Yes, that sort of scene is quite disturbing and unfortunately it occurs in reality.

[Ostroeuropa]

The law also required 16 and 17 year olds to seek consent from parents in order to marry.

That isn't "Strengthening consent protections.". It's removing their ability to consent. In situations where 16/17 year olds are being coerced into marriage, demanding the consent of the most likely people to be coercing them isn't a "Protection.". That clause does nothing but restrict the rights of young adults for no discernible reason beyond moral panic.

I'd even go so far as to say it's a deliberate wrecking proposal designed to give the Democrats the chance to cry foul and call the Republicans a bunch of pedophiles for opposing the law.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

The law also required 16 and 17 year olds to seek consent from parents in order to marry.

That isn't "Strengthening consent protections.". It's removing their ability to consent.

Ahh, trust the Democrats to fuck over a good idea.

[Manokan Republic]

While I'm against it, I think it's more of an idaho thing rather than a Republican thing specifically.

It's a Republican thing. GOP lawmakers did the same shit in Tennessee too (https://eu.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/03/07/tennessee-republicans-child-marriage-bill-gay-marriage-argument/404559002/)

Being married doesn't mean you can necessarily consent to sex, and there are also democrat held areas with lower than 18 marriages, such as Connecticut (16), New Hampshire (16), Hawaii (15), and Maryland (15), as well as territories that are democrat leaning such as Puerto rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands and the district of colombia. In Tennessee, the age was actually increased. Tennessee passed another bill which overturned the loophole though, but in a different way, making the minimum age 17, if the person marrying the 17 year old is only 4 years older or less, or 21.

PDF: "(a) lt is unlawful for any county clerk or deputy clerk in this state to issue a marriage license to any person where: (1) Either of the contracting parties is under seventeen (17) years of age; or (2) One (1) of the contracting parties is at least seventeen (17) years of age but less than eighteen (18) years of age and the other contracting party is at least four (4) years older than the minor contracting party"

[Xelsis]

Are you actually claiming that no youth under fifteen are encouraged into hormone therapy/SRS? That's not a difficult claim to disprove.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sex-change ... -the-rise/

"Blatant falsehoods".

Notice how your article doesn't say anything about children being pushed towards getting SRS pre-AOC.

Also do you have anything that isn't six years old?

The first paragraph of the article.

CHICAGO - A small but growing number of teens and even younger children who think they were born the wrong sex are getting support from parents and from doctors who give them sex-changing treatments, according to reports in the medical journal Pediatrics.

Here's a four-year-old getting SRS.

https://www.inquisitr.com/3480381/4-yea ... australia/

And if recency is your thing, this should be up-to-the-minute enough for you on hormone therapy.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/01/can ... -hormones/

https://www.docdroid.net/nm1XeFs/bowden ... 7-2019.pdf

[Ostroeuropa]

The law also required 16 and 17 year olds to seek consent from parents in order to marry.

That isn't "Strengthening consent protections.". It's removing their ability to consent.

Ahh, trust the Democrats to fuck over a good idea.

When doing so let's them pretend republicans are pro pedophilia? Yeah.