UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

A possibility, but an extremely slim one. I don't see the UK remaining in the EU. And it's not like I am even biased in that direction, as I voted Remain...

If the UK stays in the EU at the end of this kerfuffle, I don't expect their status to be as secure. Not even to mention that it would render the past few years a hilarious waste of time.

If we end up staying without any change of status, it'll be the most Yes, Minister thing ever. More so than any actual episode of Yes, Minister.

[Hurdergaryp]

If the UK stays in the EU at the end of this kerfuffle, I don't expect their status to be as secure. Not even to mention that it would render the past few years a hilarious waste of time.

If we end up staying without any change of status, it'll be the most Yes, Minister thing ever. More so than any actual episode of Yes, Minister.

Now it's true that I always did like the kind of absurd humor the British are so good at, but that's no way to run a country.

[The Archregimancy]

I missed this in the chaos...

Caroline Spelman actually tried to withdraw the Spelman amendment requiring the government to rule out a no-deal Brexit before it was voted on; but it passed anyway.

The Guardian sums it up succinctly:

Didn’t Spelman want to pull her amendment?
Yes, she did, because of party pressure. But the Speaker ruled she alone could not do this, and if other MPs who had signed the amendment wanted it voted on this should happen. The Labour MP and signatory Yvette Cooper moved it. Spelman thus won a vote she wanted to lose, making her the anti-May.

[Hurdergaryp]

I missed this in the chaos...

Caroline Spelman actually tried to withdraw the Spelman amendment requiring the government to rule out a no-deal Brexit before it was voted on; but it passed anyway.

The Guardian sums it up succinctly:

Didn’t Spelman want to pull her amendment?
Yes, she did, because of party pressure. But the Speaker ruled she alone could not do this, and if other MPs who had signed the amendment wanted it voted on this should happen. The Labour MP and signatory Yvette Cooper moved it. Spelman thus won a vote she wanted to lose, making her the anti-May.

It's almost Shakespearian!

[Thermodolia]

But how does a short extension absent a plan actually help? If it is two months we get to moths of this shit and end up in the same place.

Well, yeah. But if the options are 'shoot myself in the head right now' or 'shoot myself in the head in half an hour' ... I would choose the latter. Who knows what might happen in 30 minutes?

It’s more like you’ve had the fun to your head for the last two hours and then deciding that 30 more minutes of decision time is a great idea

[Fartsniffage]

Well, yeah. But if the options are 'shoot myself in the head right now' or 'shoot myself in the head in half an hour' ... I would choose the latter. Who knows what might happen in 30 minutes?

It’s more like you’ve had the fun to your head for the last two hours and then deciding that 30 more minutes of decision time is a great idea

Why wouldn't I want fun against my head? 30 more minutes please!

[The New California Republic]

I missed this in the chaos...

Caroline Spelman actually tried to withdraw the Spelman amendment requiring the government to rule out a no-deal Brexit before it was voted on; but it passed anyway.

The Guardian sums it up succinctly:

Didn’t Spelman want to pull her amendment?
Yes, she did, because of party pressure. But the Speaker ruled she alone could not do this, and if other MPs who had signed the amendment wanted it voted on this should happen. The Labour MP and signatory Yvette Cooper moved it. Spelman thus won a vote she wanted to lose, making her the anti-May.

I assumed that she would have been pleased that her amendment passed. Hmm. This whole sorry state of affairs just keeps on throwing up lots more strange little nonsenses; it's a veritable goldmine of them.

[Vassenor]

So what sort of invective level are we expecting from the Mail and the Express tomorrow?

[Valrifell]

I missed this in the chaos...

Caroline Spelman actually tried to withdraw the Spelman amendment requiring the government to rule out a no-deal Brexit before it was voted on; but it passed anyway.

The Guardian sums it up succinctly:

Didn’t Spelman want to pull her amendment?
Yes, she did, because of party pressure. But the Speaker ruled she alone could not do this, and if other MPs who had signed the amendment wanted it voted on this should happen. The Labour MP and signatory Yvette Cooper moved it. Spelman thus won a vote she wanted to lose, making her the anti-May.

If she's the Antimay, they should consider her for PM.

[Thermodolia]

All of this is Camerons fault. He was a slimy little shit who decided the traditions of the oldest democracy in the world were too hard to live up to and his coalition partners shouldn't be allowed to back out of the deal if they got pissed off with him, so he passed that abomination the fixed terms parliament act and fucked up our constitution right before he caused a massive crisis with Brexit then ran for the hills instead of cleaning up his mess.

Without the Fixed terms act this would have been resolved by now, May would be gone and replaced with some other Tory.

Replacing May would solve absolutely nothing.
You just get a even worse (yes, really) person completely unable to do anything.

Ya mean like JRM?

[Thermodolia]

Holy shit. There's a poll out that asks people what they think should be done, and 70% of Conservative voters think May shouldn't resign, shouldn't call an election. They also oppose the deal, oppose delaying, and support a no deal Brexit, but for that it's a slim majority with a lot of "IDK!".

Almost everyone else in the country said; yes she should resign, there should be an election, the deal is shit, have a second referendum.

Why do I feel like my prediction of a no vote tomorrow will happen?

[Thermodolia]

don't worry boys theresa may is scheduling a third vote on her deal next week

Rumour has it that the ERG will agree to support the third meaningful vote so long as May agrees to go.

Rumour also has it that if the government loses MV3 by a narrow margin, it will immediately call MV4.


So it seems that while it's undemocratic to call a second referendum in the space of three years, just in case people change their minds, it's perfectly democratic to keep calling a parliamentary vote on the same legislation over and over again in a period of a few weeks in the vague hope that it might eventually pass.

No doubt someone will now attempt to parse that logic.

But the EU said that this past meaningful vote was the last chance. The UK screwed the pooch

[Vassenor]

don't worry boys theresa may is scheduling a third vote on her deal next week

So May's the one doing the "we're going to keep voting on this until you give me the result I want" shtick?

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

If they vote no again tomorrow, Parliament'll basically be Baldrick in that one scene where he's told to deny everything.

[Hurdergaryp]

Holy shit. There's a poll out that asks people what they think should be done, and 70% of Conservative voters think May shouldn't resign, shouldn't call an election. They also oppose the deal, oppose delaying, and support a no deal Brexit, but for that it's a slim majority with a lot of "IDK!".

Almost everyone else in the country said; yes she should resign, there should be an election, the deal is shit, have a second referendum.

Why do I feel like my prediction of a no vote tomorrow will happen?

You have learned to interpret the signs of the coming doom.

[The Blaatschapen]

If they vote no again tomorrow, Parliament'll basically be Baldrick in that one scene where he's told to deny everything.

This explains it.

Parliament is full of comedians.

[Hurdergaryp]

If they vote no again tomorrow, Parliament'll basically be Baldrick in that one scene where he's told to deny everything.

In the Blackadder movie, the one with the time machine, Baldrick ends up becoming the prime minister of the United Kingdom, with Blackadder as the sovereign.

[Fartsniffage]

If they vote no again tomorrow, Parliament'll basically be Baldrick in that one scene where he's told to deny everything.

No it won't be.

[Ifreann]

With the British government in Full Shambles, LÉ James Joyce has sailed up the Thames.

[Vassenor]

If they vote no again tomorrow, Parliament'll basically be Baldrick in that one scene where he's told to deny everything.

No it won't be.

...Not sure if playing along with the joke...

[Novus America]

So the Monday after March 29 is...

Please tell me we find out this is the world’s most elaborate practical joke.
It is the only way this makes any logical sense.

[The New California Republic]

If they vote no again tomorrow, Parliament'll basically be Baldrick in that one scene where he's told to deny everything.

[Fartsniffage]

If they vote no again tomorrow, Parliament'll basically be Baldrick in that one scene where he's told to deny everything.

Parliament talking about May - "Hand me the black cap, I'll be needing it later."

[Hurdergaryp]

With the British government in Full Shambles, LÉ James Joyce has sailed up the Thames.

That's just a coincidence, or perhaps a happy little accident.

[Fartsniffage]

Just a thought. Assuming May manages to get her deal through the commons, won't the lords have to debate and vote on it as well?