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Who is your preferred Conservative Party leadership candidate?

Gove
5
4%
Hunt
11
9%
Javid
5
4%
Johnson
37
31%
Raab
11
9%
Stewart
50
42%
 
Total votes : 119

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Postby Senegalboy » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:34 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Senegalboy wrote:I kind of feel sorry for her. She has been negotiating a deal for two and a half years only to be defeated by a 230 majority.She has been attacked by the EU on one side and Parliament on the other and she didn't even vote for all this in the first place.


No, but she agreed to try and pick up the pieces.

And she called an unnecessary general election that destroyed her majority.

And she triggered Article 50 before she needed to.

My sympathy towards May extends as far as recognising that any Prime Minister would have struggled in the present circumstances; but if she didn't make her own bed, she certainly feathered it.

I agree that the general election was unnecessary but she hasn't Just been negotiating with the EU she's essentially negotiating with the ERG,Labour and Pro second referendum Tory Mps .Theresa May was supposed to negotiate for Britain but ended up negotiating with Britain.

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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:36 pm

don't worry boys theresa may is scheduling a third vote on her deal next week
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:36 pm

Souseiseki wrote:don't worry boys theresa may is scheduling a third vote on her deal next week


This is hell. This is what hell is.


Any minute now the EU is just going to agree to extend the deadline for a thousand years and then Theresa may will pull the rick and morty scene from the end of season 1 as the lights flash on and off and she rants about every week being Brexit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ4Sb_rnCqw

This.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:37 pm

Souseiseki wrote:don't worry boys theresa may is scheduling a third vote on her deal next week

If at first you don't succeed I suppose.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:38 pm

Valrifell wrote:Reading these last few pages has been wild, man. The vibe I'm getting is that Westminster is on the verge of political implosion.

Westminster at the moment is like a nuclear reactor that has had a runaway reaction, melted down, and ultimately exploded. The roof has blown off and there is toxic shit spewing everywhere.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:40 pm

Souseiseki wrote:don't worry boys theresa may is scheduling a third vote on her deal next week


Rumour has it that the ERG will agree to support the third meaningful vote so long as May agrees to go.

Rumour also has it that if the government loses MV3 by a narrow margin, it will immediately call MV4.


So it seems that while it's undemocratic to call a second referendum in the space of three years, just in case people change their minds, it's perfectly democratic to keep calling a parliamentary vote on the same legislation over and over again in a period of a few weeks in the vague hope that it might eventually pass.

No doubt someone will now attempt to parse that logic.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:42 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:CHAOS WITH ED MILIBAND.
The prophecy has been fulfilled!

Reports coming in from a garage in South London: the Ed Stone has cracked down the middle and is emitting an eerie red glow.

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Postby Senegalboy » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:44 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:don't worry boys theresa may is scheduling a third vote on her deal next week


Rumour has it that the ERG will agree to support the third meaningful vote so long as May agrees to go.

Rumour also has it that if the government loses MV3 by a narrow margin, it will immediately call MV4.


So it seems that while it's undemocratic to call a second referendum in the space of three years, just in case people change their minds, it's perfectly democratic to keep calling a parliamentary vote on the same legislation over and over again in a period of a few weeks in the vague hope that it might eventually pass.

No doubt someone will now attempt to parse that logic.

well third time's the charm.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:45 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:CHAOS WITH ED MILIBAND.
The prophecy has been fulfilled!

Reports coming in from a garage in South London: the Ed Stone has cracked down the middle and is emitting an eerie red glow.


It's a good job i'm not an MP. I literally would have shrieked and put on a middle aged peasant woman accent while gesturing to Ed Miliband and talking about the prophecy that the pig-fucker warned us about and how this was a sign.

BEHOLD, ED MILIBAND, AMIDST CHAOS!!!

It would be worth it. I'd have managed to keep a lid on it until that moment, when ed Miliband stood up in the midst of this Brexit parliamentary chaos. I wouldn't have been able to help it.
Ban me for a day mr speaker, it's fine.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:45 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:CHAOS WITH ED MILIBAND.
The prophecy has been fulfilled!

Reports coming in from a garage in South London: the Ed Stone has cracked down the middle and is emitting an eerie red glow.

HE IS THE QUIZAT HADERACH
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:45 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Reports coming in from a garage in South London: the Ed Stone has cracked down the middle and is emitting an eerie red glow.


It's a good job i'm not an MP. I literally would have shrieked and put on a middle aged peasant woman accent while gesturing to Ed Miliband and talking about the prophecy that the pig-fucker warned us about and how this was a sign.

It would be worth it. I'd have managed to keep a lid on it until that moment, when ed Miliband stood up in the midst of this Brexit parliamentary chaos. I wouldn't have been able to help it.
Ban me for a day mr speaker, it's fine.


excuse me that's alleged dead pig fucker
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:46 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's a good job i'm not an MP. I literally would have shrieked and put on a middle aged peasant woman accent while gesturing to Ed Miliband and talking about the prophecy that the pig-fucker warned us about and how this was a sign.

It would be worth it. I'd have managed to keep a lid on it until that moment, when ed Miliband stood up in the midst of this Brexit parliamentary chaos. I wouldn't have been able to help it.
Ban me for a day mr speaker, it's fine.


excuse me that's alleged dead pig-fucker
Alleged dead pig head fucker.

Like 9/10 its not real but it was still funny as fuck to hear about
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:46 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's a good job i'm not an MP. I literally would have shrieked and put on a middle aged peasant woman accent while gesturing to Ed Miliband and talking about the prophecy that the pig-fucker warned us about and how this was a sign.

It would be worth it. I'd have managed to keep a lid on it until that moment, when ed Miliband stood up in the midst of this Brexit parliamentary chaos. I wouldn't have been able to help it.
Ban me for a day mr speaker, it's fine.


excuse me that's alleged dead pig fucker


Wouldn't matter, parliamentary privilege.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:47 pm

How fucking tall is Simon Clarke? Should have sent him to negotiate in Europe. If he didn't get what he wanted he could have just started grinding bones to make his bread.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:56 pm

Heloin wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:don't worry boys theresa may is scheduling a third vote on her deal next week

If at first you don't succeed I suppose.

So if the majority is against a hard Brexit, while the European Union ain't going to do any concessions, does that make the dire prospect of the UK staying in the European Union a possibility?


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Postby Senegalboy » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:01 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Heloin wrote:If at first you don't succeed I suppose.

So if the majority is against a hard Brexit, while the European Union ain't going to do any concessions, does that make the dire prospect of the UK staying in the European Union a possibility?

Cancelling Brexit could unleash a backlash which parliament would not be able control.

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Postby Risottia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:03 pm

I really don't know why he EU is still wasting time in talks with this British cabinet. It's totally useless, and the whole Brexit affair has turned from ludicrous to just time-wasting.
Britain's cabinet de facto lacks parliamentary confidence, so let's go on as agreed. No deal by March 29th means no-deal Brexit.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:03 pm

Senegalboy wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:So if the majority is against a hard Brexit, while the European Union ain't going to do any concessions, does that make the dire prospect of the UK staying in the European Union a possibility?

Cancelling Brexit could unleash a backlash which parliament would not be able control.

Would the Brexiteers go fully terrorist or something, sparking a civil war that would make the Balkan jealous?


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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:04 pm

Cabinet source says ministers were told it was ok to abstain despite the three line whip - in what was described as 'pandemonium', they say the Chief whip couldnt answer question on whipping and PM didnt know what was going on

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh???
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Postby Risottia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:05 pm

Senegalboy wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:So if the majority is against a hard Brexit, while the European Union ain't going to do any concessions, does that make the dire prospect of the UK staying in the European Union a possibility?

Cancelling Brexit could unleash a backlash which parliament would not be able control.

The current British parliament can't even control their own dustbins.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:06 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Heloin wrote:If at first you don't succeed I suppose.

So if the majority is against a hard Brexit, while the European Union ain't going to do any concessions, does that make the dire prospect of the UK staying in the European Union a possibility?

A possibility, but an extremely slim one. I don't see the UK remaining in the EU. And it's not like I am even biased in that direction, as I voted Remain...
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:07 pm

Risottia wrote:
Senegalboy wrote:Cancelling Brexit could unleash a backlash which parliament would not be able control.

The current British parliament can't even control their own dustbins.


All those different coloured recycling bins are hard. :(

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Postby Thanatttynia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:07 pm

Senegalboy wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:So if the majority is against a hard Brexit, while the European Union ain't going to do any concessions, does that make the dire prospect of the UK staying in the European Union a possibility?

Cancelling Brexit could unleash a backlash which parliament would not be able control.

Would it? I'm not in favour of it but the apocalyptic rhetoric on both sides is grinding. Young people (pretty much the only demographic that carry out political violence/revolutions) are mostly Remainers; more importantly, everyone is apathetic about politics in general nowadays, and more and more people about this issue in particular. I can see cancelling Brexit having a poisonous effect on representative democracy and washing away what little public trust in politicians still remains, but I don't see that manifesting in anything our political system isn't strong enough to weather, which is... depressing.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:07 pm

Souseiseki wrote:Cabinet source says ministers were told it was ok to abstain despite the three line whip - in what was described as 'pandemonium', they say the Chief whip couldnt answer question on whipping and PM didnt know what was going on

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh???

Three-line whip but also you can abstain.

Seems legit.

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:08 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:So if the majority is against a hard Brexit, while the European Union ain't going to do any concessions, does that make the dire prospect of the UK staying in the European Union a possibility?

A possibility, but an extremely slim one. I don't see the UK remaining in the EU. And it's not like I am even biased in that direction, as I voted Remain...


If the UK stays in the EU at the end of this kerfuffle, I don't expect their status to be as secure. Not even to mention that it would render the past few years a hilarious waste of time.
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