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Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:14 pm**

As a young conservative member all I want is a pro leave leader who is willing to ally with us, use no deal if the need arises and is generally able to speak some what there mind and not be cowed by the communist labour, un democratic lib dems or the borderline authoritarian EU

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:15 pm**

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:What is the relevance of it? You think a tory prime minister would be any less of a cunt if they were black?

Or a woman...

Hey, maybe they'll get lucky the third time round.

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:16 pm**

5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:As a young conservative member all I want is a pro leave leader who is willing to ally with us, use no deal if the need arises and is generally able to speak some what there mind and not be cowed by the communist labour, un democratic lib dems or the borderline authoritarian EU

I mean from the sounds of things you're living in a fantasy world anyway, so...

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:16 pm**

5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:As a young conservative member all I want is a pro leave leader who is willing to ally with us, use no deal if the need arises and is generally able to speak some what there mind and not be cowed by the communist labour, un democratic lib dems or the borderline authoritarian EU

and who would that person be?

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:19 pm**

San Lumen wrote:
5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:As a young conservative member all I want is a pro leave leader who is willing to ally with us, use no deal if the need arises and is generally able to speak some what there mind and not be cowed by the communist labour, un democratic lib dems or the borderline authoritarian EU

and who would that person be?

I'm not sure yet so like any man we must watch this game for 2 clear winners... and choose which of those two claim complete victory

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:21 pm**

Vassenor wrote:
5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:As a young conservative member all I want is a pro leave leader who is willing to ally with us, use no deal if the need arises and is generally able to speak some what there mind and not be cowed by the communist labour, un democratic lib dems or the borderline authoritarian EU

I mean from the sounds of things you're living in a fantasy world anyway, so...

Most likely I am, however at least I'm not blind to my nations fault and still see a path for our salvation... rather than a lost cause

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:21 pm**

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What's wrong with pointing that out?

What is the relevance of it? You think a tory prime minister would be any less of a cunt if they were black?

Even the black Tories all went to Eaton and Oxbridge. It's still the same global social class.

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:22 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:What is the relevance of it? You think a tory prime minister would be any less of a cunt if they were black?

Even the black Tories all went to Eaton and Oxbridge. It's still the same global social class.

they went to a one of the best universities in the world. Oh how horrible!

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:23 pm**

San Lumen wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Even the black Tories all went to Eaton and Oxbridge. It's still the same global social class.

they went to a one of the best universities in the world. Oh how horrible!

I don't think someone who goes to Oxford or Cambridge is inherently any more qualified or smarter than someone who goes to an independent or open school.

And it really has nothing to do with intelligence. The benefits of those schools are the social networks you establish.

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:28 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
San Lumen wrote:they went to a one of the best universities in the world. Oh how horrible!

I don't think someone who goes to Oxford or Cambridge is inherently any more qualified or smarter than someone who goes to an independent or open school.

And it really has nothing to do with intelligence. The benefits of those schools are the social networks you establish.

What do you have against those who attend Oxford or Cambridge?

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:29 pm**

San Lumen wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I don't think someone who goes to Oxford or Cambridge is inherently any more qualified or smarter than someone who goes to an independent or open school.

And it really has nothing to do with intelligence. The benefits of those schools are the social networks you establish.

What do you have against those who attend Oxford or Cambridge?

Nothing, but I recognize that the odds of one attending there are significantly impacted by their social class.

In the UK, there is a very clear pipeline from wealthy family > top-tier prep school > public school > Oxbridge > politics

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:31 pm**

San Lumen wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I don't think someone who goes to Oxford or Cambridge is inherently any more qualified or smarter than someone who goes to an independent or open school.

And it really has nothing to do with intelligence. The benefits of those schools are the social networks you establish.

What do you have against those who attend Oxford or Cambridge?

Cambridge gave Diane Abbott a degree...

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:32 pm**

Fartsniffage wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What do you have against those who attend Oxford or Cambridge?

Cambridge gave Diane Abbott a degree...

Who?

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:33 pm**

San Lumen wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Cambridge gave Diane Abbott a degree...

Who?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Abbott

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:33 pm**

San Lumen wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Cambridge gave Diane Abbott a degree...

Who?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Abbott

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:34 pm**

Fartsniffage wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Who?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Abbott

Wait do you mean that las from the labour party

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:34 pm**

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Who?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Abbott

Horrifying. A corrupt racist and terrorist sympathizer.

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:36 pm**

I mean, it's not of immediate relevance to Brexit or anything, but the white maleness of the field could be worth discussing in the same way it might be worth discussing that two out of four of them went to public school. If a given demographic is disproportionately represented in a field (or in prisons, or among people suffering from mental illness, or in big budget sci-fi films or whatever) it might just be worth discussing, because, I dunno, maybe there's some kind of systemic injustice causing that.

Although, on a side note, while Raab is white, his father was Jewish, so he is arguably part of an ethnic minority. There is a little nuance here, but we can't exactly discuss that if you start swearing your head off the moment someone says the words "white" and "man".

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:38 pm**

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:I mean, it's not of immediate relevance to Brexit or anything, but the white maleness of the field could be worth discussing in the same way it might be worth discussing that two out of four of them went to public school. If a given demographic is disproportionately represented in a field (or in prisons, or among people suffering from mental illness, or in big budget sci-fi films or whatever) it might just be worth discussing, because, I dunno, maybe there's some kind of systemic injustice causing that.

Although, on a side note, while Raab is white, his father was Jewish, so he is arguably part of an ethnic minority. There is a little nuance here, but we can't exactly discuss that if you start swearing your head off the moment someone says the words "white" and "man".

I think it is worth discussing and how almost all of the support is going to white males and one of them is Boris Johnson one of the UK's most dangerous people.

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:39 pm**

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:I mean, it's not of immediate relevance to Brexit or anything, but the white maleness of the field could be worth discussing in the same way it might be worth discussing that two out of four of them went to public school. If a given demographic is disproportionately represented in a field (or in prisons, or among people suffering from mental illness, or in big budget sci-fi films or whatever) it might just be worth discussing, because, I dunno, maybe there's some kind of systemic injustice causing that.

Although, on a side note, while Raab is white, his father was Jewish, so he is arguably part of an ethnic minority. There is a little nuance here, but we can't exactly discuss that if you start swearing your head off the moment someone says the words "white" and "man".

I suggest not mentioning race or class cause it does rub off as a little... socialist , because should we not be judged on one ability not wealth or class... that was a very long winded way of saying we need to make a meritocracy

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:42 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Abbott

Horrifying. A corrupt racist and terrorist sympathizer.

You only named seven of her faults, you forgot the eleventh...

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:42 pm**

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Horrifying. A corrupt racist and terrorist sympathizer.

You only named seven of her faults, you forgot the eleventh...

Apparently she thinks fondly of Mao Zedong, too.

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:43 pm**

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Horrifying. A corrupt racist and terrorist sympathizer.

You only named seven of her faults, you forgot the eleventh...

lol

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:45 pm**

San Lumen wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:I mean, it's not of immediate relevance to Brexit or anything, but the white maleness of the field could be worth discussing in the same way it might be worth discussing that two out of four of them went to public school. If a given demographic is disproportionately represented in a field (or in prisons, or among people suffering from mental illness, or in big budget sci-fi films or whatever) it might just be worth discussing, because, I dunno, maybe there's some kind of systemic injustice causing that.

Although, on a side note, while Raab is white, his father was Jewish, so he is arguably part of an ethnic minority. There is a little nuance here, but we can't exactly discuss that if you start swearing your head off the moment someone says the words "white" and "man".

I think it is worth discussing and how almost all of the support is going to white males and one of them is Boris Johnson one of the UK's most dangerous people.

To be fair, of the two women running, only Leadsom has any clout in the party, and she's only got a 5% average in the polls.

Posted: **Thu May 30, 2019 3:51 pm**

Of the top 5 candidates, 3 are white males and 2 are ethnic minority males.

Which means whites are underrepresented there. If you limit it to the top 4, they're still slightly underrepresented (by about 5%) but it's as close as you can get without hundreds of candidates.

For male, you've got the issue that we just had a woman prime minister, but beyond that there's the usual feminist fuck up of assuming that the issue of women being "Underrepresented" at the top is due to sexism against them, rather than sexism against men. (Women have more freedom to choose work-life balance, as such, more of them do so. Because of this, men end up working unhealthy hours more often and in higher numbers than those who would willingly choose to do so. Those extra hours result in being promoted more often to these levels.).

Notably, Theresa May does not have children. That was one reason she did not choose work-life balance as opposed to being a workaholic.
Just saying.

When men choose work-life balance, they end up worse off than women making the same choice.

To fix this issue in feminist terms, cut womens pay in half if they dare to take maternity leave at any point in their career, but give men 90% of their pay if they do.

Then promote people based on time spent at the office. Apparently, this would mean you are oppressing the men. :roll:

In the same way companies offer better wages in order to compete for talent, when it comes to women, they offer better maternity leave benefits. Whereas men are usually stuck at the statutory minimum (Which itself is lower for men compared to women.).

Imagine offering women minimum wage no matter what, and offering men higher pay based on talent and so on, and then turning around and being like "The men are oppressed.".
You'd think the person saying that was a lunatic, right?
Welcome to my world.

This same dynamic applies to politics.
People will tolerate a woman taking time off. They won't tolerate a guy doing the same.
Then when it comes time to make a decision on who should lead or run for office, well who has more name recognition? Who accomplished more? And so on.

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