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Who is your preferred Conservative Party leadership candidate?

Gove
5
4%
Hunt
11
9%
Javid
5
4%
Johnson
37
31%
Raab
11
9%
Stewart
50
42%
 
Total votes : 119

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Postby Hirota » Thu May 30, 2019 4:02 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Hirota wrote:Why does anyone still expect Vass to read more than the big letters at the top of an article? :eyebrow:

i haven't spent much time in NSG before this...
Ha, just think of your average newbie Godmodder who has just joined the WA and who thinks that they can decide what resolutions do and do not apply to them. :D

Also, 13 years stuck in the GA is too long to be healthy my friend. Are you still roleplaying a nation of sentient bears?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu May 30, 2019 4:07 am

Hirota wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:The stoppage that was just brought forward from the summer and would have happened anyway 3 months later?
Why does anyone still expect Vass to read more than the big letters at the top of an article? :eyebrow:

But car production has a habit of peaks and troughs that will affect production from time to time. It recovers often by itself, and as Bears has pointed out, other factors than Brexit are also to blame.

So yeah, whilst it's not a good thing, it's not exactly the apocalypse that certain people seem to hope will appear to vindicate the doomsaying and wailing.


Oh right. I forgot people are that desperate to stick their heads in the sand to pretend Brexit will be the greatest thing in the history of ever. :roll:
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu May 30, 2019 4:10 am

Hirota wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:i haven't spent much time in NSG before this...
Ha, just think of your average newbie Godmodder who has just joined the WA and who thinks that they can decide what resolutions do and do not apply to them. :D

Also, 13 years stuck in the GA is too long to be healthy my friend. Are you still roleplaying a nation of sentient bears?

Actually, I'm starting to feel a bit burnt-out as far as the GA's concerned: That's one reason why I'm looking into this section of the forums now, although I'll probably go back over to NS Sports (where I was enjoyable active during a previous reduction in my GA activity) soon instead.

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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Thu May 30, 2019 4:35 am

I'm beginning to wonder if Vass might be a parody account with enormous stamina. Or else a social experiment to test our tolerance for...I don't know. I don't even have a word to describe what it is she does.
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Postby Hirota » Thu May 30, 2019 4:50 am

Vassenor wrote:
Hirota wrote:Why does anyone still expect Vass to read more than the big letters at the top of an article? :eyebrow:

But car production has a habit of peaks and troughs that will affect production from time to time. It recovers often by itself, and as Bears has pointed out, other factors than Brexit are also to blame.

So yeah, whilst it's not a good thing, it's not exactly the apocalypse that certain people seem to hope will appear to vindicate the doomsaying and wailing.


Oh right. I forgot people are that desperate to stick their heads in the sand to pretend Brexit will be the greatest thing in the history of ever. :roll:
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 30, 2019 5:15 am

Vassenor wrote:
Hirota wrote:Why does anyone still expect Vass to read more than the big letters at the top of an article? :eyebrow:

But car production has a habit of peaks and troughs that will affect production from time to time. It recovers often by itself, and as Bears has pointed out, other factors than Brexit are also to blame.

So yeah, whilst it's not a good thing, it's not exactly the apocalypse that certain people seem to hope will appear to vindicate the doomsaying and wailing.


Oh right. I forgot people are that desperate to stick their heads in the sand to pretend Brexit will be the greatest thing in the history of ever. :roll:

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu May 30, 2019 5:35 am

Vassenor wrote:
Hirota wrote:Why does anyone still expect Vass to read more than the big letters at the top of an article? :eyebrow:

But car production has a habit of peaks and troughs that will affect production from time to time. It recovers often by itself, and as Bears has pointed out, other factors than Brexit are also to blame.

So yeah, whilst it's not a good thing, it's not exactly the apocalypse that certain people seem to hope will appear to vindicate the doomsaying and wailing.


Oh right. I forgot people are that desperate to stick their heads in the sand to pretend Brexit will be the greatest thing in the history of ever. :roll:

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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu May 30, 2019 5:38 am

Vassenor wrote:
Hirota wrote:Why does anyone still expect Vass to read more than the big letters at the top of an article? :eyebrow:

But car production has a habit of peaks and troughs that will affect production from time to time. It recovers often by itself, and as Bears has pointed out, other factors than Brexit are also to blame.

So yeah, whilst it's not a good thing, it's not exactly the apocalypse that certain people seem to hope will appear to vindicate the doomsaying and wailing.


Oh right. I forgot people are that desperate to stick their heads in the sand to pretend Brexit will be the greatest thing in the history of ever. :roll:

Ad hominem much?
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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Thu May 30, 2019 5:39 am

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Vassenor wrote:
Oh right. I forgot people are that desperate to stick their heads in the sand to pretend Brexit will be the greatest thing in the history of ever. :roll:

Develop eyes and read things for once

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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu May 30, 2019 5:47 am

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Develop eyes and read things for once

She's rolled them so much that they're permanently stuck looking into her skull.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Thu May 30, 2019 5:56 am

Not a mod, obviously, but pretty sure Vassenor isn't the topic of the thread...

As for the article, yes it does state that there is a global slowdown in car manufacturing, and there's no doubt that the downturn is partially attributable to that. However, the article also highlights instability in our own market as a potential exacerbating factor and states:
a no-deal Brexit would make the declines worse with the threat of border delays, production stoppages and additional costs.
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Postby Chan Island » Thu May 30, 2019 6:05 am

The Free Joy State wrote:Not a mod, obviously, but pretty sure Vassenor isn't the topic of the thread...

As for the article, yes it does state that there is a global slowdown in car manufacturing, and there's no doubt that the downturn is partially attributable to that. However, the article also highlights instability in our own market as a potential exacerbating factor and states:
a no-deal Brexit would make the declines worse with the threat of border delays, production stoppages and additional costs.


It should also be pointed out that the article says that the global slowdown is much, much less than the slowdown in Britain. Only a fifth less cars made globally but in the UK we're down by half.
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Postby Hirota » Thu May 30, 2019 6:30 am

Chan Island wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Not a mod, obviously, but pretty sure Vassenor isn't the topic of the thread...

As for the article, yes it does state that there is a global slowdown in car manufacturing, and there's no doubt that the downturn is partially attributable to that. However, the article also highlights instability in our own market as a potential exacerbating factor and states:


It should also be pointed out that the article says that the global slowdown is much, much less than the slowdown in Britain. Only a fifth less cars made globally but in the UK we're down by half.
We've had 55% drops in UK production of cars in previous years - I linked to it up there. It's bad sure, but not remarkable in the grand scheme of things.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 30, 2019 6:36 am

The Free Joy State wrote:Not a mod, obviously, but pretty sure Vassenor isn't the topic of the thread...

As for the article, yes it does state that there is a global slowdown in car manufacturing, and there's no doubt that the downturn is partially attributable to that. However, the article also highlights instability in our own market as a potential exacerbating factor and states:
a no-deal Brexit would make the declines worse with the threat of border delays, production stoppages and additional costs.

It also said that we were expecting this shutdown, but it generally happened in the summer holidays.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 30, 2019 7:35 am

With 50% of Tory endorsements in, here are the results.

https://i.redd.it/zya08ve58c131.jpg

Rory Stewart literally bottom of the pile with 1%. This despite him telling people he once did Heroin at an Iranian wedding during his weird hike around the middle east by himself in a warzone because the family passed it around and he was like OH OKAY. CULTURE. Which some people are trying to make into a big deal in both senses.
Others are memeing about Rory visiting Manchester and doing a documentary there where he is like;
"I am here at what the natives call a 'Drum and Bass concert' and have been honored with an invitation to join them in sampling a local delicacy known as 'spice' which they assure me is 'mad gurney shit'"

And so on.

Top 4:
Jeremy Hunt
Boris Johnson
Michael Gove
Dominic Raab

I think we can expect it to be whittled down to these ones over time.

Johnson might not make it to the run off where the public actually votes because the MPs might tactically exclude him and endorse one of the other 3. That'd be my bet.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 30, 2019 7:43 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:With 50% of Tory endorsements in, here are the results.

https://i.redd.it/zya08ve58c131.jpg

Rory Stewart literally bottom of the pile with 1%. This despite him telling people he once did Heroin at an Iranian wedding during his weird hike around the middle east by himself in a warzone because the family passed it around and he was like OH OKAY. CULTURE. Which some people are trying to make into a big deal.

Top 4:
Jeremy Hunt
Boris Johnson
Michael Gove
Dominic Raab

I think we can expect it to be whittled down to these ones over time.

Johnson might not make it to the run off where the public actually votes because the MPs might tactically exclude him and endorse one of the other 3. That'd be my bet.

If the mps get it down to two remainers (Johnson and hancock) we might see the death of the tory party.
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Postby Philjia » Thu May 30, 2019 7:44 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:With 50% of Tory endorsements in, here are the results.

https://i.redd.it/zya08ve58c131.jpg

Rory Stewart literally bottom of the pile with 1%.

Top 4:
Jeremy Hunt
Boris Johnson
Michael Gove
Dominic Raab

I think we can expect it to be whittled down to these ones over time.

Johnson might not make it to the run off where the public Conservative Party membership actually votes because the MPs might tactically exclude him and endorse one of the other 3. That'd be my bet.

Jeremy Hunt is probably the least appalling of the front runners, and will probably be the preferred candidate of May supporters. I hope he gets in rather than Gove, Raab, or Johnson. Oh God, I can't believe I'm supporting Jeremy Hunt for something...

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 30, 2019 7:47 am

Philjia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:With 50% of Tory endorsements in, here are the results.

https://i.redd.it/zya08ve58c131.jpg

Rory Stewart literally bottom of the pile with 1%.

Top 4:
Jeremy Hunt
Boris Johnson
Michael Gove
Dominic Raab

I think we can expect it to be whittled down to these ones over time.

Johnson might not make it to the run off where the public Conservative Party membership actually votes because the MPs might tactically exclude him and endorse one of the other 3. That'd be my bet.

Jeremy Hunt is probably the least appalling of the front runners, and will probably be the preferred candidate of May supporters. I hope he gets in rather than Gove, Raab, or Johnson. Oh God, I can't believe I'm supporting Jeremy Hunt for something...

The deadline for nominations is on Friday the 10th of June. Shortly after that, all candidates have been invited to take part in a televised debate on the BBC. The final two candidates will also appear in televised debates on the BBC and on Sky News some time in July, once they've been decided.


I'm betting it'll be Hunt V Gove or Hunt V Raab. At that point it'll depend on who can position themselves as the Brexiest Brexiteer. That's not looking good for Hunt, since he said he will delay Brexit.
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Postby Liriena » Thu May 30, 2019 7:54 am

Some right-wing libertarian Argie presidential hopeful was talking about all the wonderful trade deals he'd make with a post-Brexit Great Britain and... surprisingly, I can kinda see that working out, with all the talk I've been seeing of potential food supply issues under a no deal Brexit.
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Postby Liriena » Thu May 30, 2019 7:56 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:With 50% of Tory endorsements in, here are the results.

https://i.redd.it/zya08ve58c131.jpg

Rory Stewart literally bottom of the pile with 1%.

Top 4:
Jeremy Hunt
Boris Johnson

So the first two options are literally the cunt who's been proudly gutting the NHS and a racist aristocratic buffoon?

Almost makes me yearn for the Tories to get utterly usurped by the Brexit Party.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 30, 2019 7:58 am

Liriena wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:With 50% of Tory endorsements in, here are the results.

https://i.redd.it/zya08ve58c131.jpg

Rory Stewart literally bottom of the pile with 1%.

Top 4:
Jeremy Hunt
Boris Johnson

So the first two options are literally the cunt who's been proudly gutting the NHS and a racist aristocratic buffoon?

Almost makes me yearn for the Tories to get utterly usurped by the Brexit Party.


Pretty much. Just confirms a comment I saw on reddit on the topic;
"Rory Stewart is the most popular candidate for Conservative leader among people who have never and will never vote for the Conservative party.".

This kind of shit is why. Reveals what sort of people they actually are.
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prime minister boris johnson, prime minister jeremy hunt or prime minister micahel gove

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Souseiseki wrote:prime minister boris johnson, prime minister jeremy hunt or prime minister micahel gove

i can't do this shit


I'd place my bets on Raab before Johnson. The other candidates and their MPs will tactically exclude him because they know he will probably win the party membership vote.
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Postby Liriena » Thu May 30, 2019 8:05 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Liriena wrote:So the first two options are literally the cunt who's been proudly gutting the NHS and a racist aristocratic buffoon?

Almost makes me yearn for the Tories to get utterly usurped by the Brexit Party.


Pretty much. Just confirms a comment I saw on reddit on the topic;
"Rory Stewart is the most popular candidate for Conservative leader among people who have never and will never vote for the Conservative party.".

This kind of shit is why. Reveals what sort of people they actually are.

[John McDonnell intensifies]
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 30, 2019 8:07 am

Liriena wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Pretty much. Just confirms a comment I saw on reddit on the topic;
"Rory Stewart is the most popular candidate for Conservative leader among people who have never and will never vote for the Conservative party.".

This kind of shit is why. Reveals what sort of people they actually are.

[John McDonnell intensifies]


Is that a real quote?

I can't tell.

His speech about democracy being biased in favor of conservatism and liberalism and incapable of producing reforms without "Direct action" by the workers was one that made me sit up and pay attention.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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