UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Souseiseki]

So what does parliament actually want.It voted down a deal to votes down no deal but we have no idea what parliament actually wants.

no one knows

[Dooom35796821595]

>Former leader of UKIP Nigel Farage says that he accepts that the UK may no longer be leaving the EU on 29 March.


Holy shit.

He’s just backing away slowly muttering “I didn’t know, I didn’t know......my god what have I done!”

[Souseiseki]

James Felton on Twitter: She whipped against her own position from yesterday and still lost. Theresa May now so weak she can’t even defeat Theresa May.

[Neu Leonstein]

No-deal Brexit by default.

It won't happen though - a technical extension was already on the cards anyway even if Parliament had voted in favour of the negotiated withdrawal agreement, just because it's not clear there's enough time to get the legalities sorted in two weeks.

There are two options for an extension now. One to be longer, past the European elections, which the EU would probably only agree to if it's to allow time for a UK election etc. The other option is a short one, for just a couple of months. The EU don't like that idea either, because the UK's ask for it would come without a clear plan for what May's going to do differently going forward. But if the option is between crashing out and another couple of months of this BS, they'd likely hold their noses and go for the latter.

[Ostroeuropa]

CHAOS WITH ED MILIBAND.
The prophecy has been fulfilled!

[The New California Republic]

There are two options for an extension now. One to be longer, past the European elections, which the EU would probably only agree to if it's to allow time for a UK election etc. The other option is a short one, for just a couple of months. The EU don't like that idea either, because the UK's ask for it would come without a clear plan for what May's going to do differently going forward. But if the option is between crashing out and another couple of months of this BS, they'd likely hold their noses and go for the latter.

Yeah I mentioned earlier that the former seems the more likely format for an extension, except the part about a UK election being slotted in as well.

[Novus America]

James Felton on Twitter: She whipped against her own position from yesterday and still lost. Theresa May now so weak she can’t even defeat Theresa May.

Indeed. Yet they still want her as PM because of lack of better options.
I mean if this was a political satire it would be too unbelievable to be funny.

I guess the UK really is an inverted meritocracy.
Only the worst of the worst get to go to Parliament.

If Thanos snapped them all out of existence, would anyone be terribly upset?

[Souseiseki]

Source says Tory whips are desperately trying to find defence minister Tobias Ellwood, who just broke three-line whip and abstained. He’s due to give adjournment debate speech shortly but whips unable to find him.

lol where the fuck is he

is he down the pub? did he do a runner? is he hiding in the toilets?

[Hydesland]

Where are people seeing Ed Miliband?

[Philjia]

Where are people seeing Ed Miliband?

He raised a point of order a short while ago.

[Senegalboy]

James Felton on Twitter: She whipped against her own position from yesterday and still lost. Theresa May now so weak she can’t even defeat Theresa May.

Indeed. Yet they still want her as PM because of lack of better options.
I mean if this was a political satire it would be too unbelievable to be funny.

I guess the UK really is an inverted meritocracy.
Only the worst of the worst get to go to Parliament.

If Thanos snapped them all out of existence, would anyone be terribly upset?

I don't really like Theresa may or the Tory deal but what's the alternative.

[Novus America]

No-deal Brexit by default.

It won't happen though - a technical extension was already on the cards anyway even if Parliament had voted in favour of the negotiated withdrawal agreement, just because it's not clear there's enough time to get the legalities sorted in two weeks.

There are two options for an extension now. One to be longer, past the European elections, which the EU would probably only agree to if it's to allow time for a UK election etc. The other option is a short one, for just a couple of months. The EU don't like that idea either, because the UK's ask for it would come without a clear plan for what May's going to do differently going forward. But if the option is between crashing out and another couple of months of this BS, they'd likely hold their noses and go for the latter.

But how does a short extension absent a plan actually help? If it is two months we get to moths of this shit and end up in the same place.

[Ostroeuropa]

Source says Tory whips are desperately trying to find defence minister Tobias Ellwood, who just broke three-line whip and abstained. He’s due to give adjournment debate speech shortly but whips unable to find him.

lol where the fuck is he

is he down the pub? did he do a runner? is he hiding in the toilets?

If a man hunt erupts in the middle of the votes the world will well and truly think we're fucked in the head

[The New California Republic]

If Thanos snapped them all out of existence, would anyone be terribly upset?

I would like to say that even half of them vanishing would make a difference, but I know that really isn't true.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

If Thanos snapped them all out of existence, would anyone be terribly upset?

I would like to say that even half of them vanishing would make a difference, but I know that really isn't true.

It would if he snapped out all the Remainers, or all the Brexiteers.

[Neu Leonstein]

But how does a short extension absent a plan actually help? If it is two months we get to moths of this shit and end up in the same place.

Well, yeah. But if the options are 'shoot myself in the head right now' or 'shoot myself in the head in half an hour' ... I would choose the latter. Who knows what might happen in 30 minutes?

[The New California Republic]

I would like to say that even half of them vanishing would make a difference, but I know that really isn't true.

It would if he snapped out all the Remainers, or all the Brexiteers.

Pretty sure the Thanos snap effect is randomised, so no cigar I'm afraid.

[Novus America]

Indeed. Yet they still want her as PM because of lack of better options.
I mean if this was a political satire it would be too unbelievable to be funny.

I guess the UK really is an inverted meritocracy.
Only the worst of the worst get to go to Parliament.

If Thanos snapped them all out of existence, would anyone be terribly upset?

I don't really like Theresa may or the Tory deal but what's the alternative.

I agree. She is bad. Her deal is bad. But there is no better option.

The others are
A) Delay. Make the pain more prolonged without accomplishing anything
B) Cancel Brexit. Would leave the UK in a bad place. Still in the EU but hated by it. Good luck trying to get anything from the EU after you showed you a full of BS and have zero leverage.
Also would make the political environment a mess.
C) Hard Brexit

So what option is better than her deal?

[Novus America]

Source says Tory whips are desperately trying to find defence minister Tobias Ellwood, who just broke three-line whip and abstained. He’s due to give adjournment debate speech shortly but whips unable to find him.

lol where the fuck is he

is he down the pub? did he do a runner? is he hiding in the toilets?

Who could blame him for doing any of the above?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Where are people seeing Ed Miliband?

Everywhere

[Greater vakolicci haven]

If the pound could kindly stop rising...

[Neu Leonstein]

The other thing about an extension is that it would allow time to reveal 'no deal' plans for the BS that they are. The UK government sneakily put out a plan last night that has a customs border between NI and RoUK, slashes tariffs for UK farmers and leaves NI farmers with the worst of both worlds. It's avoided serious scrutiny so far because of what else has been going on with these votes - the moment people get a few minutes to go over it, Parliament will riot over it, and in a bid to preserve Tory and government 'unity' (lol) May will cave, leaving the UK with no policy for leaving without a withdrawal agreement either. Which, in turn, will help another few MPs to understand that at this point the choices are for either the negotiated withdrawal agreement or no Brexit at all.

[Senegalboy]

I don't really like Theresa may or the Tory deal but what's the alternative.

I agree. She is bad. Her deal is bad. But there is no better option.

The others are
A) Delay. Make the pain more prolonged without accomplishing anything
B) Cancel Brexit. Would leave the UK in a bad place. Still in the EU but hated by it. Good luck trying to get anything from the EU after you showed you a full of BS and have zero leverage.
Also would make the political environment a mess.
C) Hard Brexit

So what option is better than her deal?

Cancelling Brexit is the worst thing possible for Britain and if the main parties agree to cancel Brexit then i would expect the rise of Right wing populist parties

[Novus America]

But how does a short extension absent a plan actually help? If it is two months we get to moths of this shit and end up in the same place.

Well, yeah. But if the options are 'shoot myself in the head right now' or 'shoot myself in the head in half an hour' ... I would choose the latter. Who knows what might happen in 30 minutes?

What if it is shoot yourself in the head now or shoot yourself in the head after slowly slicing off all appendages except one arm for those 30 minutes?

[The New California Republic]

Where are people seeing Ed Miliband?

Everywhere