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Who is your preferred Conservative Party leadership candidate?

Gove
5
4%
Hunt
11
9%
Javid
5
4%
Johnson
37
31%
Raab
11
9%
Stewart
50
42%
 
Total votes : 119

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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun May 26, 2019 3:49 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:From BBC News:
Change UK leader Heidi Allen says: It feels like there has been a big swing to Remain.

"People are not down-hearted - this is the beginning of something."

She says that the European elections "came too quickly" for Change UK to work with other Remain-supporting parties.

She adds that she hopes this will change before the next general election.

Is she delusional?


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Postby Philjia » Sun May 26, 2019 3:56 pm

Greens are up three MEPs, which is nice. Nigel Farage doing well is a shame though. At least the Tories are doing worse than Labour.

CUK getting more votes than UKIP is funny.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 26, 2019 4:03 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:CUK are fucked, as are UKIP. Labour are going to have to take a strong second referendum position, even if that means dumping Jeremy. The next Tory leader won't be able to call an election because they would lose everything. There will probably be a load of Tory MPs defecting to the Brexit Party, which would finish off the Conservative Party.

Corbyn is not getting dumped and even if they do he'd likely win another leadership election

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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 26, 2019 4:05 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:From BBC News:
Is she delusional?


Dr DI's squidgy foam stethoscope diagnoses a chronic case of the Theresa Mays.

Fatal for one's career. Eventually.
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Postby Philjia » Sun May 26, 2019 4:28 pm

South East results:
- Brexit Party gets 4
- Lib Dems get 3
- Greens get 1
- Tories get 1
- Labour get 1

The Lib Dem/Green remain axis currently has a very similar, but slightly lower, overall vote share than the Brexit/UKIP hard Brexit axis.

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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Sun May 26, 2019 4:32 pm

Who's this condescending jerk on the BBC? Can't shut up and let anyone else speak.
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Postby Kavagrad » Sun May 26, 2019 4:35 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:From BBC News:
Is she delusional?

Leader of Change UK hopes for change? I give her a month and she'll be fired.

She's already offered to resign once
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Postby Philjia » Sun May 26, 2019 4:40 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Who's this condescending jerk on the BBC? Can't shut up and let anyone else speak.

Who, Mark Francois? Yeah he's a pastry faced twat. Would not hesitate to milkshake.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sun May 26, 2019 4:41 pm

Philjia wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Who's this condescending jerk on the BBC? Can't shut up and let anyone else speak.

Who, Mark Francois? Yeah he's a pastry faced twat. Would not hesitate to milkshake.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 26, 2019 4:54 pm

https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status ... 2276560898
Britain so split over Brexit that we're sending two Alexandra Phillipses to Brussels, one to argue each side.

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Kavagrad wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Leader of Change UK hopes for change? I give her a month and she'll be fired.

She's already offered to resign once

I'd like to revise my prediction to "a week".
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Postby Philjia » Sun May 26, 2019 5:10 pm

All England and Wales results are now in.

Winners:
- The Brexit Party - UKIP 2.0 are the largest party, with 28 seats on 31.6% of the vote.
- Liberal Democrats - Second place. Gained 14 seats for a total of 15, on 20.3% of the vote.
- Greens - Gained 4 seats for a total of 7, on 12.1% of the vote.

Losers:
- Labour - Avoided being overtaken by the Greens, but still lost 8 seats, taking them down to 10. Got a fairly miserable 14.1% of the vote.
- Conservatives - Catastrophic results for the Tories saw them lose 15 seats and left them with a mere 3, on 9.1% of the vote, both lower than the Greens.
- UKIP - UKIP 1.0 have been destroyed by their replacement, losing all 23 of their seats and receiving only 3.3% of the vote.
- Change UK - It turns out that there wasn't space for a second party in the centre after all. Their 3.4% vote share means they still beat UKIP, however.

Other:
- Plaid Cymru - Plaid retained their single MEP and slightly increased their Welsh vote share to 19.6% (That's 1.0% of the overall vote)
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Postby Chan Island » Sun May 26, 2019 5:21 pm

Ifreann wrote:https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status/1132789202276560898
Britain so split over Brexit that we're sending two Alexandra Phillipses to Brussels, one to argue each side.


Kavagrad wrote:She's already offered to resign once

I'd like to revise my prediction to "a week".


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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun May 26, 2019 5:40 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Ouch. Lib Dems beating Labour here.

I am pleased, however, that ChUK seem to have had fuck all impact.


ChUK is the best party, though. :(

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Postby Liriena » Sun May 26, 2019 6:16 pm

I for one am shocked that the powerful memery of Sargon and Dankula were not enough to save UKIP from this tragedy. Clearly, Britons are a bunch of normies, stacies and soyboys. >:(
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 26, 2019 6:18 pm

Liriena wrote:I for one am shocked that the powerful memery of Sargon and Dankula were not enough to save UKIP from this tragedy. Clearly, Britons are a bunch of normies, stacies and soyboys. >:(

There's still hope, if Our Boys can just meme even harder before the next European election.
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Postby Liriena » Sun May 26, 2019 6:21 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Liriena wrote:I for one am shocked that the powerful memery of Sargon and Dankula were not enough to save UKIP from this tragedy. Clearly, Britons are a bunch of normies, stacies and soyboys. >:(

There's still hope, if Our Boys can just meme even harder before the next European election.

Bold of you to assume that Great Britain isn't gonna suicidally crash out of the EU before that.
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Political compass stuff:
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cynicism


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Postby Liriena » Sun May 26, 2019 6:22 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Ouch. Lib Dems beating Labour here.

I am pleased, however, that ChUK seem to have had fuck all impact.


ChUK is the best party, though. :(

WRONG. It's obviously Sinn Fein.
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Political compass stuff:
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun May 26, 2019 6:23 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ifreann wrote:There's still hope, if Our Boys can just meme even harder before the next European election.

Bold of you to assume that Great Britain isn't gonna suicidally crash out of the EU before that.


The EU won't let us leave despite the valiant efforts of our newly minted Brexit MEPs. :(

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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 26, 2019 6:30 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ifreann wrote:There's still hope, if Our Boys can just meme even harder before the next European election.

Bold of you to assume that Great Britain isn't gonna suicidally crash out of the EU before that.

You mean....this was their last chance to own the EU...and...and they failed?

Oh...

Oh no...
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun May 26, 2019 6:31 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
ChUK is the best party, though. :(

WRONG. It's obviously Sinn Fein.


That band of commie traitors who are openly disloyal to the Queen?

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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 26, 2019 6:32 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Liriena wrote:WRONG. It's obviously Sinn Fein.


That band of commie traitors who are openly disloyal to the Queen?

The best attitude towards the Queen.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun May 26, 2019 6:32 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
That band of commie traitors who are openly disloyal to the Queen?

The best attitude towards the Queen.


I really do like you most of the time....

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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 26, 2019 6:37 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The best attitude towards the Queen.


I really do like you most of the time....

If it helps I'm probably distantly descended from England's green and pleasant land by way of the Normans, so you can always imagine throwing me in the Tower for treason.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sun May 26, 2019 6:39 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
That band of commie traitors who are openly disloyal to the Queen?

The best attitude towards the Queen.


You’re right, Borris as UK president would be so much better.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 26, 2019 6:41 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The best attitude towards the Queen.


You’re right, Borris as UK president would be so much better.

Yes. Why keep up the veneer of being a respectable country when you can just don the wig and facepaint of BoJo the Clown.
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