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Who is your preferred Conservative Party leadership candidate?

Gove
5
4%
Hunt
11
9%
Javid
5
4%
Johnson
37
31%
Raab
11
9%
Stewart
50
42%
 
Total votes : 119
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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:43 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Source to support this interpretation?


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKCN1QU2OI

Turns out it's non-binding unfortunately, but the will of the commons is nonetheless clear.


If it is not binding it cannot override the binding vote to leave.
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:43 pm


It's "total carnage" in the division lobbies, one Tory MP says. Another: "Some who are not prepared to vote against the amended motion are just being allowed to go the pub".


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Postby Philjia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:43 pm


Legally he's right as of right now, but I can't see him being right for much longer.
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Postby Nietzschean Jihad » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:43 pm

BBC: Brexit: MPs reject any no-deal option by 312 to 308

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politi ... s-47529293
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Postby Caracasus » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:44 pm



Yup. I reckon that once this blows over, the party (if it's still in existence) will probably invent their own minister for Antarctica position just for him.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:45 pm

Nietzschean Jihad wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Non-EU students in the UK will have a Tier 4 visa, which is maintained regardless of Brexit.

Oh cool, no stress then.

But if you are in this situation it is best to contact the Home Office if you are concerned, as I'm obviously not one of their employees. They will be far better suited to advise you.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:45 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKCN1QU2OI

Turns out it's non-binding unfortunately, but the will of the commons is nonetheless clear.


So ultimately, it doesn’t change anything.

Philjia wrote:MPs are filing out to vote on the motion as amended, which will send the government to ask for an extension to Article 50 and to avoid a no deal scenario if possible.


Do we have 650 brain dead cats dressed as people instead of MPs? An extension is more uncertainty, and that’s what destabilises the economy. In or out, and maybe table a motion for parliament to grow a collective spine while they’re at it.


Obviously not. Even brain dead cats would do a better job.

And yes, asking for an extension is the worst option.
It is an absolutely horrible idea.

Hence it might actually pass.
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Postby Nietzschean Jihad » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:45 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Nietzschean Jihad wrote:Oh cool, no stress then.

But if you are in this situation it is best to contact the Home Office if you are concerned, as I'm obviously not one of their employees. They will be far better suited to advise you.

It's not about me, some friends and fiancee study in the UK at the moment, so hence.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:48 pm

Nietzschean Jihad wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:But if you are in this situation it is best to contact the Home Office if you are concerned, as I'm obviously not one of their employees. They will be far better suited to advise you.

It's not about me, some friends and fiancee study in the UK at the moment, so hence.

I'm sure the Home Office will have some kind of system by which they can switch to a different visa if the current one is going to be affected by Brexit. But like I said, it's best if they contact the Home Office directly.
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Postby Nietzschean Jihad » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:50 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Nietzschean Jihad wrote:It's not about me, some friends and fiancee study in the UK at the moment, so hence.

I'm sure the Home Office will have some kind of system by which they can switch to a different visa if the current one is going to be affected by Brexit. But like I said, it's best if they contact the Home Office directly.

Cheers for the info
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:50 pm

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Postby Philjia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:51 pm

The amended motion has been approved 321 to 278.

This is a complete fucking disaster for the Prime Minister.
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Postby Caracasus » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:51 pm

Actually a bit annoyed that I'm working tonight and having to catch up on my phone instead of watching. I get the feeling we're witnessing the collapse of the government play out frankly.
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:52 pm

They ayes have it. 321-278
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:52 pm

HOW IS MAY'S GOVERNMENT STILL ALIVE AT THIS POINT

HOLY FUCK
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:53 pm

Right, so where the actual legitimate fuck do we go from here?

Also has the Daily Mail office exploded in rage yet?
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Postby Caracasus » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:54 pm

Souseiseki wrote:HOW IS MAY'S GOVERNMENT STILL ALIVE AT THIS POINT

HOLY FUCK


I honestly would not be surprised if the government collapses by the end of the week.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:54 pm

>Former leader of UKIP Nigel Farage says that he accepts that the UK may no longer be leaving the EU on 29 March.


Holy shit.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:54 pm

The BBC's political correspondent, Vicki Young, says that there are "lots of rumours" that ministers and even Cabinet ministers may well be resigning from government over their votes this evening.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:54 pm

Souseiseki wrote:HOW IS MAY'S GOVERNMENT STILL ALIVE AT THIS POINT

HOLY FUCK


Same way neoliberalism is in general. Obstinant refusal to vacate institutions of power or acknowledge how they have no mandate, because nobody can force them to do it, and gaslighting everyone by ignoring reality.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:55 pm

Why doesn't Corbyn table another vote of no confidence?
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Postby Nietzschean Jihad » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:56 pm

So no-deal Brexit happening?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:56 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Why doesn't Corbyn table another vote of no confidence?


Now would be the time given that May just tried to whip the party and failed.
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Postby Philjia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:56 pm

Theresa needs to resign, call a general election, call a second, better referendum, something, anything to stop this fucking gridlock.
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Postby Caracasus » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:56 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
The BBC's political correspondent, Vicki Young, says that there are "lots of rumours" that ministers and even Cabinet ministers may well be resigning from government over their votes this evening.


I honestly can't believe they tried to whip the party after promising a free vote. That's just amazing.
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