UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Ostroeuropa]

Might vote for Brex since they are the only anti-feminist party with a chance, under the principle of political wrecking maneuvers. I supported Trump for similar reasons. If he wanted to drop a nuke on london, but was the only anti-feminist candidate, i'd give him my support. That'll continue to be the case until the problem is redressed, much like minorities rioting and, in essence, burning down their own communities to protest things.

I agree some extreme feminists can be pretty bad, but why not just vote for reasonable moderate feminists, as opposed to absolute nutjobs who oppose feminism? Why not vote for the Tories or Change UK?

There is no such thing as a reasonable and moderate white supremacist. Legitimizing feminism in any degree is an act of misandry, given the history of the movement and how it has been practiced.

During Denazification, 80% of Germans said what happened to the Jews could not in any way be justified and was inexcusable. Yet 70% said they wanted a new fuhrer and believed National Socialism was a good idea.

We don't let rabble define ideologies and their outcomes. Stop letting "Ordinary" feminists define what feminism is, and take a look at the actual way it governs a populace and specifically how badly it harms men. It's a hate movement defined by its anti-male policies and stances. The feminists who don't agree with those policies simply haven't fully thought through the implications of the kind of hateful bullshit they believe and how it inevitably ends up with these outcomes, same as those Germans.

This idea you are pushing can equally be used to call genocide a fringe minority position of Naziism and in no way definitive of how it operates.

In terms of policy and practice, the evidence is fairly overwhelming that feminism is an anti-male hate movement.

[Ifreann]

I'm sure that someone would see Nigel Farage's Brexit party getting seats in the European Parliament as a big win for anti-feminism, but I suspect it would be you and you alone.

Yes, he'll definitely do that as an isolated MEP, if he takes office at all.

It's a strike against the general progressive movement, which includes feminism.

You don't think that it might be seen as more of a pro-Brexit sort of thing?

I'm not just talking about the EU parliament either. BREX is set to win the welsh assembly elections too, and take most of the MPS here.

The Brexit Party have candidates for the Welsh Assembly?

Why?

[The Blaatschapen]

He'll certainly prevent further destruction of society by feminist proposals.

It will be a glorious few weeks, between taking office, summer recess and the Brexit date of October 31st.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I agree some extreme feminists can be pretty bad, but why not just vote for reasonable moderate feminists, as opposed to absolute nutjobs who oppose feminism? Why not vote for the Tories or Change UK?

There is no such thing as a reasonable and moderate white supremacist. Legitimizing feminism in any degree is an act of misandry, given the history of the movement and how it has been practiced.

During Denazification, 80% of Germans said what happened to the Jews could not in any way be justified and was inexcusable. Yet 70% said they wanted a new fuhrer and believed National Socialism was a good idea.

We don't let rabble define ideologies and their outcomes. Stop letting "Ordinary" feminists define what feminism is, and take a look at the actual way it governs a populace and specifically how badly it harms men. It's a hate movement defined by its anti-male policies and stances. The feminists who don't agree with those policies simply haven't fully thought through the implications of the kind of hateful bullshit they believe and how it inevitably ends up with these outcomes, same as those Germans.

This idea you are pushing can equally be used to call genocide a fringe minority position of Naziism and in no way definitive of how it operates.

Feminists are not comparable to white supremacists. Yes, much of mainstream feminism is quite sexist and misandrist, but moderate feminists do exist.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's a strike against the general progressive movement, which includes feminism.

You don't think that it might be seen as more of a pro-Brexit sort of thing?

I'm not just talking about the EU parliament either. BREX is set to win the welsh assembly elections too, and take most of the MPS here.

The Brexit Party have candidates for the Welsh Assembly?

Why?

Being pro-brexit is anti-progressive and anti-neoliberal. It is a rejection of their worldviews.

Who knows. But they're leading the polls in wales.

[Ostroeuropa]

There is no such thing as a reasonable and moderate white supremacist. Legitimizing feminism in any degree is an act of misandry, given the history of the movement and how it has been practiced.

During Denazification, 80% of Germans said what happened to the Jews could not in any way be justified and was inexcusable. Yet 70% said they wanted a new fuhrer and believed National Socialism was a good idea.

We don't let rabble define ideologies and their outcomes. Stop letting "Ordinary" feminists define what feminism is, and take a look at the actual way it governs a populace and specifically how badly it harms men. It's a hate movement defined by its anti-male policies and stances. The feminists who don't agree with those policies simply haven't fully thought through the implications of the kind of hateful bullshit they believe and how it inevitably ends up with these outcomes, same as those Germans.

This idea you are pushing can equally be used to call genocide a fringe minority position of Naziism and in no way definitive of how it operates.

Feminists are not comparable to white supremacists. Yes, much of mainstream feminism is quite sexist and misandrist, but moderate feminists do exist.

The core worldview and ideological tenets are necessarily anti-male in their framing of what sexism is, how it works, and so on, as well as the prevalence of mens issues. Vaguely wanting a strong germany doesn't make you a Nazi. Vaguely wanting equality doesn't make you a feminist.

The pretense otherwise is just that, pretense.

Moreover, pretending feminism "Is an equality movement" in itself necessitates an anti-male evaluation of what feminism has accomplished. Like if someone said; "The Klan is historically not a racist movement.". The obvious conclusion to draw is that the speaker is either very ignorant, or very racist.

[Nakena]

You don't think that it might be seen as more of a pro-Brexit sort of thing?

The Brexit Party have candidates for the Welsh Assembly?

Why?

Being pro-brexit is anti-progressive and anti-neoliberal. It is a rejection of their worldviews.

Who knows. But they're leading the polls in wales.

I wouldn be surprised if for some voters that be one of their main motivations.

The ultimative and last resort of rejection, no matter the cost.

Damned be consequences and collaterals alike.

[Ifreann]

You don't think that it might be seen as more of a pro-Brexit sort of thing?

The Brexit Party have candidates for the Welsh Assembly?

Why?

Being pro-brexit is anti-progressive and anti-neoliberal. It is a rejection of their worldviews.

How is wanting to leave the EU any of those things?

Who knows. But they're leading the polls in wales.

Mad.

[Bienenhalde]

The core worldview and ideological tenets are necessarily anti-male in their framing of what sexism is, how it works, and so on, as well as the prevalence of mens issues. Vaguely wanting a strong germany doesn't make you a Nazi. Vaguely wanting equality doesn't make you a feminist.

The pretense otherwise is just that, pretense.

Moreover, pretending feminism "Is an equality movement" in itself necessitates an anti-male evaluation of what feminism has accomplished. Like if someone said; "The Klan is historically not a racist movement.". The obvious conclusion to draw is that the speaker is either very ignorant, or very racist.

Even supposing what you said about feminists were true, I am pretty sure nobody outside the far-left supports such misandrist garbage. The Tories and Change UK are NOT far-left.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Feminists are not comparable to white supremacists. Yes, much of mainstream feminism is quite sexist and misandrist, but moderate feminists do exist.

The core worldview and ideological tenets are necessarily anti-male in their framing of what sexism is, how it works, and so on, as well as the prevalence of mens issues. Vaguely wanting a strong germany doesn't make you a Nazi. Vaguely wanting equality doesn't make you a feminist.

The pretense otherwise is just that, pretense.

Moreover, pretending feminism "Is an equality movement" in itself necessitates an anti-male evaluation of what feminism has accomplished.

What would the core worldview and tenets of feminism be in your estimation.

Under one definition of feminism, anyone who wants gender equality and women's rights is a feminists, so you and I are both feminists under that definition. You may reject that definition, but it is a definition.

[Nakena]

How is wanting to leave the EU any of those things?

It's the ultimative "fuck you" and however self-destructive rejection towards the Westminister and Brussels elites.

Even if, from an objective pragmatic viewpoint, this looks a bit different.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It's a strike against the general progressive movement, which includes feminism.

You don't think that it might be seen as more of a pro-Brexit sort of thing?

I'm not just talking about the EU parliament either. BREX is set to win the welsh assembly elections too, and take most of the MPS here.

The Brexit Party have candidates for the Welsh Assembly?

Why?

Why wouldn't they have candidates for the welsh assembly?
They are planning to run in every election.

[Ostroeuropa]

Being pro-brexit is anti-progressive and anti-neoliberal. It is a rejection of their worldviews.

Who knows. But they're leading the polls in wales.

I wouldn be surprised if for some voters that be one of their main motivations. The ultimative and last resort of rejection, no matter the cost.

It's a good example of how discussion has been made impossible by the progressive left and their tactics. Those opposed to them are forced to use issues like Brexit to make a point and gather support, because you can obfuscate using it.

It's a "Today is wednesday" thing.

It's why brexiteers don't care about the economy, but focused on economic arguments, don't really believe the sovereignty guff, and so on. Progressives are stuck trying to explain that brexiteers are factually in error when none of them actually care about that, because they have made having differing values verbotten and engage in witch hunts against people who do.

It's like arguing productivity will increase on slave plantations if we remove all weaponry from the premises. No amount of facts about how that is nonsense will convince the people arguing it, because they are not sincerely arguing it. They're doing it to fuck you over. You basically banned talking about abolitionism, so now we're pretending to be moron slavers engaged in self-harm.

To be a brexiteer is to dogwhistle having a seperate value set. The economy, the sovereignty, it's all bollocks. It's clearly bollocks. Nobody cares. The difference is, i'm comfortable admitting that is the case and being a little more open about it rather than playing pretend.

[Ifreann]

You don't think that it might be seen as more of a pro-Brexit sort of thing?

The Brexit Party have candidates for the Welsh Assembly?

Why?

Why wouldn't they have candidates for the welsh assembly?
They are planning to run in every election.

What does the Welsh Assembly have to do with Brexit?

[Ostroeuropa]

Why wouldn't they have candidates for the welsh assembly?
They are planning to run in every election.

What does the Welsh Assembly have to do with Brexit?

The Brexit party is not just about Brexit. You're confusing noise for the signal. That's the consequence of the way the progressive left has behaved. Dogwhistles, obfuscating language, and so on. They'll claim it's about brexit in order to signal a particular stance, but in reality it's broader and you can tell from the discussions being had when they aren't being bothered by progressives and neoliberals.

When those types talk to them, it's about brexit.

[Ifreann]

I wouldn be surprised if for some voters that be one of their main motivations. The ultimative and last resort of rejection, no matter the cost.

It's a good example of how discussion has been made impossible by the progressive left and their tactics. Those opposed to them are forced to use issues like Brexit to make a point and gather support, because you can obfuscate using it.

It's a "Today is wednesday" thing.

I imagine that somewhere out there, Olly just shivered.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Why wouldn't they have candidates for the welsh assembly?
They are planning to run in every election.

What does the Welsh Assembly have to do with Brexit?

Very little, save an advisery impact. However, UKIP Wales had a set of policy practises that were entirely different in some regards to the mainstream of ukip, and from the people who have defected to the Brexit party it seems to suggest that these are the policies they will continue again. Obviously, we can't be entirely sure as to party policy until the manifesto is published after the elections but it's been made pretty clear that the Brexit party will have a full policy platform (not a manifesto, Nigel Farage hates the word.)

[Ostroeuropa]

It's a good example of how discussion has been made impossible by the progressive left and their tactics. Those opposed to them are forced to use issues like Brexit to make a point and gather support, because you can obfuscate using it.

It's a "Today is wednesday" thing.

I imagine that somewhere out there, Olly just shivered.

It was a good video and explained why white nationalism is bollocks. But the tactic itself he describes is morally neutral. It depends more on what the ends of are.

[Ifreann]

What does the Welsh Assembly have to do with Brexit?

The Brexit party is not just about Brexit. You're confusing noise for the signal. That's the consequence of the way the progressive left has behaved. Dogwhistles, obfuscating language, and so on.

I don't think you're meant to admit that.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

1922 Committee failed to agree a rule change that would have enabled a challenge to May.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Hoping Alliance can grab the third MEP seat here in NI.


Though whether that seat exists for any longer than a few months depends on how that shitstorm in parliament goes.

Are Brexit running in NI?

They are not last i checked.

Considering UKIP barely existed here i doubt they would make any real impact anyway.

[Ostroeuropa]

The Brexit party is not just about Brexit. You're confusing noise for the signal. That's the consequence of the way the progressive left has behaved. Dogwhistles, obfuscating language, and so on.

I don't think you're meant to admit that.

The tactic itself is morally neutral, and an obvious way for people to behave in the face of censorship, witch hunts, and the kind of behavior the progressive left have used. Thieves Cant is another example of it, as is linguistic tricks black slaves used and so on.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Are Brexit running in NI?

They are not last i checked.

Considering UKIP barely existed here i doubt they would make any real impact anyway.

Didn't ukip once have an assembly member or two?

[Ifreann]

I imagine that somewhere out there, Olly just shivered.

It was a good video and explained why white nationalism is bollocks. But the tactic itself he describes is morally neutral. It depends more on what the ends of are.

I was thinking more of a "Your approval fills me with shame" kind of thing.

[Ostroeuropa]

It was a good video and explained why white nationalism is bollocks. But the tactic itself he describes is morally neutral. It depends more on what the ends of are.

I was thinking more of a "Your approval fills me with shame" kind of thing.

Olly doesn't seem particularly aware of the criticism of feminism. I enjoy his videos, it rarely comes up.