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Who is your preferred Conservative Party leadership candidate?

Gove
5
4%
Hunt
11
9%
Javid
5
4%
Johnson
37
31%
Raab
11
9%
Stewart
50
42%
 
Total votes : 119

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Postby Nakena » Mon May 13, 2019 6:56 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:If anything there should be more referendums. Direct democracy ftw.


>current year
>saying this in the UK Politics Thread

Hope you're wearing power armour right now, gonna be a lot of fallout.


To be fair it is now parliament that destroys itself.

Now we see the pitfalls of a rotten and self destructive parliarmentarism live on TV.

This is like a full-blown self-destruction sequence of Democracy.

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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 13, 2019 6:58 am

Nakena wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
>current year
>saying this in the UK Politics Thread

Hope you're wearing power armour right now, gonna be a lot of fallout.


To be fair it is now parliament that destroys itself.

Now we see the pitfalls of a rotten and self destructive parliarmentarism live on TV.

This is like a full-blown self-destruction sequence of Democracy.

I think I'm beginning to understand why totalitarianism (in all its flavors) is becoming distressingly popular.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 7:01 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:If anything there should be more referendums. Direct democracy ftw.


>current year
>saying this in the UK Politics Thread

Hope you're wearing power armour right now, gonna be a lot of fallout.

Hey. Don't like, don't vote. :p
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 13, 2019 7:02 am

ITS CURRENT YEAR THO
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Postby Nakena » Mon May 13, 2019 7:03 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:ITS CURRENT YEAR THO


Because its 2019 and the good times are over

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 7:05 am

Nakena wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
>current year
>saying this in the UK Politics Thread

Hope you're wearing power armour right now, gonna be a lot of fallout.


To be fair it is now parliament that destroys itself.

Now we see the pitfalls of a rotten and self destructive parliarmentarism live on TV.

This is like a full-blown self-destruction sequence of Democracy.

Maybe so. If so, liberalism'll go out in a blaze of glory.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 13, 2019 7:06 am

Nakena wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:If anything there should be more referendums. Direct democracy ftw.


You should know that the 2016 Brexit referendum will probably ad infintium be used as argument why the plebs shouldn be able to vote anymore in referendum.

Specifically that this argument is currently mostly being coming from the liberals on the continent.

Must be some pretty illiberal liberals.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 13, 2019 7:08 am

Nakena wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:ITS CURRENT YEAR THO


Because its 2019 and the good times are over

Now the End Times are upon us.

The Forces of Brexit spare no one in their campaign of bloodshed*



*levels of blood being shed may be dramatically lower than expected
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 13, 2019 7:08 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We should just stop having fucking referendums. Bollocks to Brexit, the whole process has been an expensive exercise in stupidity.

If anything there should be more referendums. Direct democracy ftw.

Britain should stop having referenda until they pass some kind of Referendum Act to set out rules for their scope and how binding they are and when they can be called and if and when the results can be overturned.


The Huskar Social Union wrote:ITS CURRENT YEAR THO

Current and worst year.
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Postby Nakena » Mon May 13, 2019 7:08 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Nakena wrote:
You should know that the 2016 Brexit referendum will probably ad infintium be used as argument why the plebs shouldn be able to vote anymore in referendum.

Specifically that this argument is currently mostly being coming from the liberals on the continent.

Must be some pretty illiberal liberals.


I am not even making this up. Thats the position of many people who consider themself liberal and enlightened.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Nakena wrote:
To be fair it is now parliament that destroys itself.

Now we see the pitfalls of a rotten and self destructive parliarmentarism live on TV.

This is like a full-blown self-destruction sequence of Democracy.

Maybe so. If so, liberalism'll go out in a blaze of glory.


But it didn had to end like this.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon May 13, 2019 7:10 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Nakena wrote:
To be fair it is now parliament that destroys itself.

Now we see the pitfalls of a rotten and self destructive parliarmentarism live on TV.

This is like a full-blown self-destruction sequence of Democracy.

I think I'm beginning to understand why totalitarianism (in all its flavors) is becoming distressingly popular.


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Postby Nakena » Mon May 13, 2019 7:13 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Because its 2019 and the good times are over

Now the End Times are upon us.

The Forces of Brexit spare no one in their campaign of bloodshed*



*levels of blood being shed may be dramatically lower than expected


To quit or not to quit the EU.

Theres no middle ground.

Perpetual Brexit for years to come.

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Postby Pinch Me » Mon May 13, 2019 7:21 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:We should just stop having fucking referendums. Bollocks to Brexit, the whole process has been an expensive exercise in stupidity.


Presumably against a second referendum, or any other referendums that ever have been or ever will be on anything ever.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 13, 2019 7:22 am

Nakena wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Now the End Times are upon us.

The Forces of Brexit spare no one in their campaign of bloodshed*



*levels of blood being shed may be dramatically lower than expected


To quit or not to quit the EU.

Theres no middle ground.

Perpetual Brexit for years to come.
When you play the game of brexit lady Sturgeon you exit or you die
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Mon May 13, 2019 7:29 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Nakena wrote:
To quit or not to quit the EU.

Theres no middle ground.

Perpetual Brexit for years to come.

When you play the game of brexit lady Sturgeon you exit or you die

And after years of Brexit misery, the starving survivors started to envy the dead.


“Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.”
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 13, 2019 7:30 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:When you play the game of brexit lady Sturgeon you exit or you die

And after years of Brexit misery, the starving survivors started to envy the dead.

"What are our words?"
"Wha-
"WHAT ARE OUR WORDS?"
".. We do not Brexit"
"WE DO NOT BREXIT"

Alright ill stop now
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 13, 2019 7:32 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:And after years of Brexit misery, the starving survivors started to envy the dead.

"What are our words?"
"Wha-
"WHAT ARE OUR WORDS?"
".. We do not Brexit"
"WE DO NOT BREXIT"

Alright ill stop now

There is only one thing you say to the god of Brexit: Not today.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Mon May 13, 2019 7:33 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:And after years of Brexit misery, the starving survivors started to envy the dead.

"What are our words?"
"Wha-
"WHAT ARE OUR WORDS?"
".. We do not Brexit"
"WE DO NOT BREXIT"

Alright ill stop now

A bit late for that, given how the whole ignominious Brexit shitshow has been going on since annus horribilis 2016.


“Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.”
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 13, 2019 8:17 am

Nakena wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Must be some pretty illiberal liberals.


I am not even making this up. Thats the position of many people who consider themself liberal and enlightened.

I'd kind of like to see some data for this.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 13, 2019 9:24 am

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The other parties in the proposed government aren’t pro-Brexit and Labour will never ever join with Brexit party or the Tories.

If a closed list PR system happened Brexit would be toast


There would be no delay due to the fact that under a PR system the members of a party can be sacked for not towing the party line which is no Brexit.


As is evident from France and Germany where all parties are united and internal conflict is rare...

Wait what?

Neither France nor Germany have Closed list PR. Italy has that voting system
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 13, 2019 9:29 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Restart Britain and try again.

Step 1: Grant Scotland and Northern Ireland independence
Step 2: Get invaded by Norway and France at the same time to reenact 1066 in 2019
Step 3: ???
Step 4: TOTAL RESTORATION OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE

I’m fine with just stopping at step 2
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Mon May 13, 2019 9:36 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Step 1: Grant Scotland and Northern Ireland independence
Step 2: Get invaded by Norway and France at the same time to reenact 1066 in 2019
Step 3: ???
Step 4: TOTAL RESTORATION OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE

I’m fine with just stopping at step 2

In order to make step 2 a reality, first a whole lot of other steps need to be taken in order to create the French-Norwegian Alliance.


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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 13, 2019 9:43 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I’m fine with just stopping at step 2

In order to make step 2 a reality, first a whole lot of other steps need to be taken in order to create the French-Norwegian Alliance.

In order to ruin Britain, you must first invent the universe.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Mon May 13, 2019 9:49 am

Ifreann wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:In order to make step 2 a reality, first a whole lot of other steps need to be taken in order to create the French-Norwegian Alliance.

In order to ruin Britain, you must first invent the universe.

To quote Douglas Adams: In the beginning the Universe was created.This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.


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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon May 13, 2019 9:49 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:"What are our words?"
"Wha-
"WHAT ARE OUR WORDS?"
".. We do not Brexit"
"WE DO NOT BREXIT"

Alright ill stop now

A bit late for that, given how the whole ignominious Brexit shitshow has been going on since annus horribilis 2016.


The use of the words "shitshow" and "annus horriblis" paints an interesting yet accurate picture; politicians still seemingly unable to decide whether to shit or get off the pot.
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