Liriena wrote:Ifreann wrote:You're telling me that it's okay to normalise the use of sexual violence as a weapon against those you hate because feminists only think that it's wrong to use sexual violence against women.
Like, whatever feminists think, it should very obviously be bad to normalise sexual violence in any way. We're not talking about punching Richard Spencer or smashing some windows here, there's no possible justifiable use of sexual violence.
How about if we're going to discuss Carl Benjamin running for European Parliament we discuss Carl Benjamin. I assume you can defend him without attacking me or trying to change the topic to be about the evil feminists.
How dare you try to stonewall Ostro's customary pivot to the evil deeds of feminism to justify his apologia for yet another right-wing figure?
Dumb Ideologies wrote:When you're a "politician" (honest, guv) and your ""jOkE"" appears abhorrent to the vast majority of the electorate, its hidden """g͕̙̟͠e̜̲n͚̤͓̰̟̕ͅi͈͓ú̜̞s̪͕̺̱̱͝ͅ""" visible to so few people that it speeds up the rapid emptying of your sinking ship and the loss of pretty much any remaining sympathy.
Haha. There's two of us left. Ha.
F͕̜̙̖̹̄͌̌͋ͫ͂͌͊e̯͈̰͍͖͎̦̫̲ͭ͑͂M̞̌̍̌̌̓s̠̩̺̤̼͒̇ͫ̇͆̌ͦ̋ͦͅ ̙͎ͣͯͥ̌ͧO̯̪̳ͥ̈́ͨ̈̾̚ͅͅw̹͖͇͖̝̟͚̪̭̋͗̔ͧN̫̮̰̎ͯ̿ͯ̃e̙̮͉ͮ̈́̄̄̏D̰͔̜̜͇̄
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Also, I wanna thank Sargon for, not just sinking his personal brand of "classical liberalism", but also helping sink right-wing comedy.
Just look at that sinking brand.
https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/sargonofakkad100https://www.trackalytics.com/youtube/us ... fakkad100/https://www.vox.com/2018/1/7/16856574/t ... w-researchI guess they sure showed him. Oh, I messed one up there, ehh … nevermind.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Liriena wrote:Spending multiple days and thousands of words incoherently rationalizing an unfunny rape joke made by a UKIPer imbecile because he directed it at a feminist and feminists are the equivalent of the nazis, and then complaining that everyone who disagrees is an indoctrinated, delusional feminist who just doesn't understand your brilliant comedy critique, is very normal behavior and not at all the peak of tribalistic derangement.
When you're a "politician" (honest, guv) and your ""jOkE"" appears abhorrent to the vast majority of the electorate, its hidden """g͕̙̟͠e̜̲n͚̤͓̰̟̕ͅi͈͓ú̜̞s̪͕̺̱̱͝ͅ""" visible to so few people that it speeds up the rapid emptying of your sinking ship and the loss of pretty much any remaining sympathy.
Haha. There's two of us left. Ha.
F͕̜̙̖̹̄͌̌͋ͫ͂͌͊e̯͈̰͍͖͎̦̫̲ͭ͑͂M̞̌̍̌̌̓s̠̩̺̤̼͒̇ͫ̇͆̌ͦ̋ͦͅ ̙͎ͣͯͥ̌ͧO̯̪̳ͥ̈́ͨ̈̾̚ͅͅw̹͖͇͖̝̟͚̪̭̋͗̔ͧN̫̮̰̎ͯ̿ͯ̃e̙̮͉ͮ̈́̄̄̏D̰͔̜̜͇̄
It's not working in terms of making him electable, I agree.
Ifreann wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:Uh.
No Iffy, Jews Poisoning wells is an anti-semitic trope that Nazis believe Jews do because the Nazi's head is full of nonsense. The Jew would probably not, in fact, poison any wells. That's something the Nazi believes about Jews because they are a bigot.
Also;
Reminder that Layla Moran, feminist MP who assaulted her husband and then blamed him for it, was supported by these same feminist journalists and by Jess Phillips and called brave and so on.
You do not have to give them the consideration they are demanding. We do not even need to consider whether jokes are harmful and "Normalize violence", because that is a norm they are intending to impose only on men and that is clear from their behavior and prior actions.
You're telling me that it's okay to normalise the use of sexual violence as a weapon against those you hate because feminists only think that it's wrong to use sexual violence against women.
Like, whatever feminists think, it should very obviously be bad to normalise sexual violence in any way. We're not talking about punching Richard Spencer or smashing some windows here, there's no possible justifiable use of sexual violence.
we know that they have actively, and very recently, normalized violence against men. That is beyond dispute. It was not a joke. How about, if we're going to discuss whether speech normalizing violence should cause repercussions, we start with the obvious cases first before the controversial ones?
How about if we're going to discuss Carl Benjamin running for European Parliament we discuss Carl Benjamin. I assume you can defend him without attacking me or trying to change the topic to be about the evil feminists.
No sexual violence occurred for him to be normalizing.
I would only support Carl within the context of him being an improvement over the status quo, and so reference to that status quo is necessary to discern whether he is any good as a candidate. Give me a broad selection of candidates and i'm fairly likely to kick him to the curb, especially if there are more anti-feminists but even there i'm prepared to hold my nose if they have enough other good policies.
Whining about how a candidate is in the pocket of big oil while ignoring all the alternatives are In the pocket of big oil, big tobacco, and the arms industry isn't productive.
Liriena wrote:Spending multiple days and thousands of words incoherently rationalizing an unfunny rape joke made by a UKIPer imbecile because he directed it at a feminist and feminists are the equivalent of the nazis, and then complaining that everyone who disagrees is an indoctrinated, delusional feminist who just doesn't understand your brilliant comedy critique, is very normal behavior and not at all the peak of tribalistic derangement.
Nobody on NS is normal.
In other news:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48205408It's almost like it's related to how represented people feel. Hmm. Like, if only there was a precedent to explain hostility toward a government from the public, like some sort of consistent pattern of history. Honestly, the first past the post system produces these problems and they'll probably get worse as the political forces that drove us into this mess continue to escalate. The practice of democracy and representation is more important than a hollow façade of it and technically abiding by the rules while removing the soul of it.