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Who is your preferred Conservative Party leadership candidate?

Gove
5
4%
Hunt
11
9%
Javid
5
4%
Johnson
37
31%
Raab
11
9%
Stewart
50
42%
 
Total votes : 119

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Postby Hirota » Tue May 07, 2019 12:03 pm

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I don't think he literally made a threat so I'm not sure what offence he could have committed. Unless they've made it illegal to be an obnoxious dramacow.

Malicious communications, the crime of sending or delivering letters or other articles for the purpose of causing distress or anxiety. I wouldn't know offhand if there's an exception for being a shitposter, but I doubt it.
She's lucky Corbyn is thicker skinned then isn't she.

I mean, if she talks about stabbing someone "in the front" she either means it literally, or she actually does understand what rhetoric is...Or she is a double-standard hypocritical idiot who thinks it's acceptable for her to get away with hyperbole, but anyone she dislikes should be completely banned from the political sphere for using the same approach. Pick one I guess.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue May 07, 2019 12:11 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Malicious communications, the crime of sending or delivering letters or other articles for the purpose of causing distress or anxiety. I wouldn't know offhand if there's an exception for being a shitposter, but I doubt it.
She's lucky Corbyn is thicker skinned then isn't she.

I mean, if she talks about stabbing someone "in the front" she either means it literally, or she actually does understand what rhetoric is...Or she is a double-standard hypocritical idiot who thinks it's acceptable for her to get away with hyperbole, but anyone she dislikes should be completely banned from the political sphere for using the same approach. Pick one I guess.


That's completely different, she's a woman, so it's okay. Just like her friend Layla moran beating up her husband and then blaming him for it publicly is okay and she'll take a selfie with her afterward and she and feminists in the press will support Layla during the criticism of it.

It goes beyond just words. She has actively defended perpetrators of gendered violence and supported their attempts to minimize it, provided they are women ofcourse, and the media just lets her get away with it, because feminism is a toxic hate movement and this is the society it produces.

I honestly hope they are deluded and thick enough to start actually banning their political opponents, then we can just end this charade.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 07, 2019 12:34 pm

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A joke can also be a statement of contempt, and furthermore, a joke doesn't necessarily have to be funny in the specific context it is made, but can be funny in a meta sense.

So Carl was saying something completely seriously that he really meant and wasn't trying to be funny, it was a genuine and sincere communication of how repellent he finds Phillips, and it so happens that he finds the reaction to that statement funny. Any suggestion that edgy internet boy Carl Benjamin(39) thinks it's fun to insult people and hurt their feelings is totally a bad faith reading of the situation. I am making myself look very bad and should be very embarrassed. Unless I'm just stupid or deranged and can't separate reality from fiction, which also makes me look bad.

But also it was a just a joke, and it's patently ridiculous that the police might look seriously at whether this jolly banter constitutes a crime. That's absurd. He made a rape joke at a feminist, and the pathological feminists are actually taking it seriously! Imagine how sick they must be to suggest serious consequences when he was just joking. Just sick in the head. Legitimately mentally ill. Mad, the lot of them.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 2:47 pm

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It does hold a mirror up to feminist hypocrisy though. I don't see how it's turned up to eleven in this case either.

I'm perfectly fine with sexism being aimed at people who are publicly sexist.


Everyone has a different moral event horizon, I guess.

Personally I think he's entered the dramacow death spin - increasingly radical, doubling down on offensiveness, eventually finding himself without any platform and resorting to desperate stunts that'll give him no way back.

This hits the nail on the head for Carl.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 07, 2019 5:04 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
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Everyone has a different moral event horizon, I guess.

Personally I think he's entered the dramacow death spin - increasingly radical, doubling down on offensiveness, eventually finding himself without any platform and resorting to desperate stunts that'll give him no way back.

This hits the nail on the head for Carl.

At least he'll take faux "classical liberalism" down with him. I for one thank him for his service in that endeavour o7
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 5:05 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:This hits the nail on the head for Carl.

At least he'll take faux "classical liberalism" down with him. I for one thank him for his service in that endeavour o7

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Postby Liriena » Tue May 07, 2019 5:08 pm

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Liriena wrote:At least he'll take faux "classical liberalism" down with him. I for one thank him for his service in that endeavour o7

Press X to doubt. If there is one thing that's certain, it's that stupidity is durable.

Stupidity is durable, but its faux intellectual masks aren't. Every single right-wing grifter trying to be an intellectual like Sargon eventually peaks and begins the slow, humiliating descent towards desperation-inducing irrelevance. See: Milo.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 5:09 pm

Liriena wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Press X to doubt. If there is one thing that's certain, it's that stupidity is durable.

Stupidity is durable, but its faux intellectual masks aren't. Every single right-wing grifter trying to be an intellectual like Sargon eventually peaks and begins the slow, humiliating descent towards desperation-inducing irrelevance. See: Milo.

But Milo going down didn't kill his particular brand of alt-lite edgelordism either. This supports my point.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue May 07, 2019 5:12 pm

Liriena wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Press X to doubt. If there is one thing that's certain, it's that stupidity is durable.

Stupidity is durable, but its faux intellectual masks aren't. Every single right-wing grifter trying to be an intellectual like Sargon eventually peaks and begins the slow, humiliating descent towards desperation-inducing irrelevance. See: Milo.


If only people had realized this before he took poor JonTron down with him ._.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 07, 2019 5:13 pm

Liriena wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Press X to doubt. If there is one thing that's certain, it's that stupidity is durable.

Stupidity is durable, but its faux intellectual masks aren't. Every single right-wing grifter trying to be an intellectual like Sargon eventually peaks and begins the slow, humiliating descent towards desperation-inducing irrelevance. See: Milo.

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The Rich Port wrote:
Liriena wrote:Stupidity is durable, but its faux intellectual masks aren't. Every single right-wing grifter trying to be an intellectual like Sargon eventually peaks and begins the slow, humiliating descent towards desperation-inducing irrelevance. See: Milo.


If only people had realized this before he took poor JonTron down with him ._.

Meh, I like Danny Sexbang better anyway.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue May 07, 2019 5:16 pm

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If only people had realized this before he took poor JonTron down with him ._.

Meh, I like Danny Sexbang better anyway.


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Defending people from what jess phillips and the feminist press have pulled here is fine, because the target doesn't matter. What matters is the perpetrators and their behavior is not good for society no matter who their victim is. You'd think that would be obvious, but apparently not.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 7:00 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:This hits the nail on the head for Carl.

At least he'll take faux "classical liberalism" down with him. I for one thank him for his service in that endeavour o7

I kind of like classical liberalism though. Granted, I like it better when it's not being adopted by washed up edgelords such as Carl.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed May 08, 2019 12:06 am

Another of these people who like to make threats on social media to women MPs gets convicted

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news ... an-2842679

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Postby Caracasus » Wed May 08, 2019 12:43 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Carl thinking it's funny to hurt people he doesn't like doesn't really change anything.


He doesn't think it's funny to hurt people. That's a bad faith representation of what's going on. Jess phillips on the other hand, laughing when she derails mens issues being discussed in parliament, IS her finding it funny to hurt people. She also thinks it's brave and admirable to hurt people if her interaction with Layla is anything to go by.
So long as those people are men ofcourse.

Carl on the other hand finds a joke funny (or more accurately, finds laughing at the media and jess phillips' reaction to the joke funny because of what it says about how they process information, and their total lack of self-awareness. This is because he has a better and more optimistic view of them than I do, and assumes they lack self-awareness, rather than being actively malicious.). You being unable to separate reality from fiction is not a good look for you. See, if you find war films entertaining, it doesn't mean you are a violent psychopath who enjoys the suffering of others.

You get that, right? Apparently not, if we assume you are being serious and not merely acting in bad faith.

But those are the only options, and neither speak well for you being involved in political discussions.

Is there something else that could explain it? Or will this be some other disconnected nonsense attacking your critics rather than taking a moment to self-reflect?


I am pretty sure I remember quite a while ago now you made a point that stuck with me about the whole 'you're gonna get raped in prison' jokes that are prevalent when criminals get sentenced and how deeply unfunny that was and how it normalized something that should be taken very seriously.

It is a real shame to see you now turn around and justify a rape joke because it was made against someone you don't like.
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Postby Juristonia » Wed May 08, 2019 2:05 am

Rape jokes are bad, but not when they're made against women, because fenemenisms.
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Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 08, 2019 2:27 am

Caracasus wrote:
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He doesn't think it's funny to hurt people. That's a bad faith representation of what's going on. Jess phillips on the other hand, laughing when she derails mens issues being discussed in parliament, IS her finding it funny to hurt people. She also thinks it's brave and admirable to hurt people if her interaction with Layla is anything to go by.
So long as those people are men ofcourse.

Carl on the other hand finds a joke funny (or more accurately, finds laughing at the media and jess phillips' reaction to the joke funny because of what it says about how they process information, and their total lack of self-awareness. This is because he has a better and more optimistic view of them than I do, and assumes they lack self-awareness, rather than being actively malicious.). You being unable to separate reality from fiction is not a good look for you. See, if you find war films entertaining, it doesn't mean you are a violent psychopath who enjoys the suffering of others.

You get that, right? Apparently not, if we assume you are being serious and not merely acting in bad faith.

But those are the only options, and neither speak well for you being involved in political discussions.

Is there something else that could explain it? Or will this be some other disconnected nonsense attacking your critics rather than taking a moment to self-reflect?


I am pretty sure I remember quite a while ago now you made a point that stuck with me about the whole 'you're gonna get raped in prison' jokes that are prevalent when criminals get sentenced and how deeply unfunny that was and how it normalized something that should be taken very seriously.

It is a real shame to see you now turn around and justify a rape joke because it was made against someone you don't like.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed May 08, 2019 2:28 am

Juristonia wrote:Rape jokes are bad, but not when they're made against women, because fenemenisms.

Personally, I think all jokes are acceptable, all of the time, made to anybody.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed May 08, 2019 2:35 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Juristonia wrote:Rape jokes are bad, but not when they're made against women, because fenemenisms.

Personally, I think all jokes are acceptable, all of the time, made to anybody.


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Postby Juristonia » Wed May 08, 2019 3:02 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Juristonia wrote:Rape jokes are bad, but not when they're made against women, because fenemenisms.

Personally, I think all jokes are acceptable, all of the time, made to anybody.

Personally, I would never vote for you anyway, so that works out perfectly for everyone.
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Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 08, 2019 3:12 am

Juristonia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Personally, I think all jokes are acceptable, all of the time, made to anybody.

Personally, I would never vote for you anyway, so that works out perfectly for everyone.

Why is that?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 08, 2019 3:23 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Juristonia wrote:Rape jokes are bad, but not when they're made against women, because fenemenisms.

Personally, I think all jokes are acceptable, all of the time, made to anybody.


The most fleeting look at your recent posting history (a mere few days past) shows you partaking in some very salty haranguing over someone using "autistic" in a derogatory way.

But that's none of my business.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed May 08, 2019 5:54 am

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Defending people from what jess phillips and the feminist press have pulled here is fine, because the target doesn't matter. What matters is the perpetrators and their behavior is not good for society no matter who their victim is. You'd think that would be obvious, but apparently not.

Uhh... the way I see it, the target does matter. Even from a practical standpoint, if they go after someone already unpopular, defending them only lowers the chance other people will listen to you. I recommend calling them out when they target decent people.
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