UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Chan Island]

Depends on whether you have them with a royal.

I doubt any of the royals are into what I'm into

Rated XXX

[The Huskar Social Union]

Argon of Sakkad is under po po investigation.

[The Blaatschapen]

Argon of Sakkad is under po po investigation.

https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-m ... -popo.html

[Ifreann]

Argon of Sakkad is under po po investigation.

I'm sure he's delighted. He can pretend that he's being oppressed.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Argon of Sakkad is under po po investigation.

https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-m ... -popo.html

Ah fuck, that made me laugh more than it should have.

Argon of Sakkad is under po po investigation.

I'm sure he's delighted. He can pretend that he's being oppressed.

oooohhhhhhhh

[Dumb Ideologies]

Argon of Sakkad is under po po investigation.

I don't think he literally made a threat so I'm not sure what offence he could have committed. Unless they've made it illegal to be an obnoxious dramacow and complete liability.

[Hurdergaryp]

Argon of Sakkad is under po po investigation.

I don't think he literally made a threat so I'm not sure what offence he could have committed. Unless they've made it illegal to be an obnoxious dramacow and complete liability.

Maybe such behaviour should be made a punishable offense, if only to give legions of internet dwellers the necessary incentive to try and be decent human beings for a change.

[Ifreann]

Argon of Sakkad is under po po investigation.

I don't think he literally made a threat so I'm not sure what offence he could have committed. Unless they've made it illegal to be an obnoxious dramacow.

Malicious communications, the crime of sending or delivering letters or other articles for the purpose of causing distress or anxiety. I wouldn't know offhand if there's an exception for being a shitposter, but I doubt it.

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't think he literally made a threat so I'm not sure what offence he could have committed. Unless they've made it illegal to be an obnoxious dramacow and complete liability.

Maybe such behaviour should be made a punishable offense, if only to give legions of internet dwellers the necessary incentive to try and be decent human beings for a change.

Which behavior specifically and why? Please quote the statement in particular and explain your reasoning.

I don't think he literally made a threat so I'm not sure what offence he could have committed. Unless they've made it illegal to be an obnoxious dramacow.

Malicious communications, the crime of sending or delivering letters or other articles for the purpose of causing distress or anxiety. I wouldn't know offhand if there's an exception for being a shitposter, but I doubt it.

The Birmingham MP has called for people who "promote rape and sexual violence" to have a lifetime ban from running for elected office.

The overwhelming majority of parliament would be banned due to internalizing feminist ideas.

The MP for Birmingham Yardley told Victoria Derbyshire she did not fear for her physical safety, but worried for her mental health after thousands of messages from Twitter users attacking her in the last year alone.

Here's the problem. She is not only infamous for being a misandrist, she is a friend of Layla Moran and called her brave and so on despite the revelations of the latter beating her boyfriend.

People are bored of feminists and misandrists having no principles they are willing to hold women accountable to, but getting angry at men for violating principles.

So he made a rape joke. I don't care. The only people who seem to care don't actually give a shit about rape jokes, they just hate men, and the reason I make that conclusion is that there's never any action taken against women on the topic.

I don't see why I should have solidarity with people who offer none.

The mail runs headlines routinely calling women raping children seduction and so on, and nobody bats an eye.

so yeh, it's pretty funny to joke about rape, because it makes those people angry, and those people are terrible people. It shouldn't be funny, but it is, because of who it angers and how it reveals their hypocrisy.



Sort of like making a mildly racist comment about Germans and having the Nazi party absolutely lose its shit and act like you have done the most evil and immoral thing possible in a civilized society.

he made a rape joke at a feminist.

It's hysterical mate. Because a feminist is the target, and they absolutely deserve scorn and derision, since it is basically revealing a point about them and their hypocrisy.

You can't divorce the joke itself from the target and their behavior, and the behavior of the people being outraged about it.

If you can't handle people protesting feminist misandry and the total lack of solidarity offered men, then that's good. That's the desired outcome, to make you uncomfortable and to upset you.

Layla Moran beat up her husband and then blamed him for it. Phillips and these feminist journalists? Supported her over it and said she was brave, such a disgusting act that even their pet gimp mens lib types were shocked by it and pointed out how fucked up that was and didn't represent "The feminism I know", but there's only a handful of male feminist journalists so they got talked over.

Sargon made a rape joke at her.

A joke.

I don't see why we should have rules for sheep and none for lions. We cannot FORCE feminists to care about men. We can stop caring about feminists though. And the thing is I don't even believe it upsets her, it's just a fucked up power play, but if it did upset her? I don't care. I don't care about her. Nor should you, and nor should anyone.

Woman beats her husband and blames him for it = Phillips and feminist journalists supporting her.
Man tells joke = Phillips and feminist journalists acting outraged and demanding we ban people from running for office if they say mean things.

This is the type of clown world that results from having a broken moral compass that feminism produces.

Sargons next round of rape jokes should be;

"I bet Layla Morans husband wouldn't rape Jess Phillips either."

In Jess Phillips' mind, and the minds of other people with a pathological case of feminism, publicly celebrating a domestic absuer blaming her victim and working to get that abuser more air time and a career boost doesn't cause harm to victims and doesn't normalize violence against them. But a joke? That does.

Imagine how sick in the head you have to be made by your worldview to support banning people from being an MP for making jokes, but not for taking actions? The truth is that it's not because of anything Carl did. it's because he's a man, and she hates men, and this is an excuse to attack one.

Which is precisely the kind of behavior that led Carl to make the joke in the first place.

Like all fascists, the feminist movement is chronically insecure and cannot stand up to comedic ridicule that undermines their pompousness and hypocrisy. I personally think we need to make rape jokes about all the feminists involved under this explicit reasoning, because it's clear that Carl is right, it's something they are unable to ignore like they do the other criticism of their behavior.

If you listen to Carls reasoning, it is clear this is an act of protest against Jess Phillips and the feminist media because, and he is completely right here, they lied about and ignored all other forms of protest. Which is why they're so completely butthurt about this one.

In this case they're doubly butthurt because he is mocking them for their outraged over the joke.

here's the sequence:

1. Jess Phillips is a misandrist MP who derails attempts to resolve mens issues in parliament INCLUDING by the way, state sanctioned rape apology where male victims of rape aren't even acknowledged as rape victims.
2. Jess Phillips receives backlash
3. her feminist friends in the media (Who she explicitly acknowledges in her autobiography collaborate with her and have a network together) go on the offensive, find a fringe minority of threats, and then make THAT the story, acting like she's being harassed for absolutely no reason except that she is a woman in politics. All criticism of Phillips is ignored as this is the narrative that gets pushed and they scream about rape threats constantly.
4. Sargon makes his joke as an act of protest against this blatant fuckery.
5. Years later, Sargon runs for office, and the media drags it up again. He repeatedly explains the context, but they ignore it and just make out like he told a rape joke for no reason, just like they told lies in the first place and ignored reality to push an agenda and a narrative.
6. They keep this up for weeks.
7. Sargon jokes again that he's got a lot of backlash about saying he wouldn't even rape Jess Phillips and if the media are really angry about it he might be forced to reverse his position to remain electable and get the press on side.
8. Phillips and feminist press absolutely flip their fucking shit, demonstrating how insane they have behaved since day one. "I will do the opposite then I guess" generating the same level of outrage is exactly his bloody point.

[Ifreann]

Carl thinking it's funny to hurt people he doesn't like doesn't really change anything.

[Ostroeuropa]

Carl thinking it's funny to hurt people he doesn't like doesn't really change anything.

He doesn't think it's funny to hurt people. That's a bad faith representation of what's going on. Jess phillips on the other hand, laughing when she derails mens issues being discussed in parliament, IS her finding it funny to hurt people. She also thinks it's brave and admirable to hurt people if her interaction with Layla is anything to go by.
So long as those people are men ofcourse.

Carl on the other hand finds a joke funny (or more accurately, finds laughing at the media and jess phillips' reaction to the joke funny because of what it says about how they process information, and their total lack of self-awareness. This is because he has a better and more optimistic view of them than I do, and assumes they lack self-awareness, rather than being actively malicious.). You being unable to separate reality from fiction is not a good look for you. See, if you find war films entertaining, it doesn't mean you are a violent psychopath who enjoys the suffering of others.

You get that, right? Apparently not, if we assume you are being serious and not merely acting in bad faith.

But those are the only options, and neither speak well for you being involved in political discussions.

Is there something else that could explain it? Or will this be some other disconnected nonsense attacking your critics rather than taking a moment to self-reflect?

[Ifreann]

Carl thinking it's funny to hurt people he doesn't like doesn't really change anything.

He doesn't think it's funny to hurt people...

Then it wasn't a joke, and does not benefit from any "It's just a joke!" defence.

Or are you going to tell me that I must be detached from reality if I think it's hurtful to have someone call you too ugly to rape. Or maybe I'm acting in bad faith by assuming that Jess Phillips has emotions.

[Ostroeuropa]

He doesn't think it's funny to hurt people...

Then it wasn't a joke, and does not benefit from any "It's just a joke!" defence.

Or are you going to tell me that I must be detached from reality if I think it's hurtful to have someone call you too ugly to rape. Or maybe I'm acting in bad faith by assuming that Jess Phillips has emotions.

He didn't call her too ugly to rape in terms of physical appearance. If anything he commented on her being ugly in terms of who she is as a person, which in the context of what happened, is true, she is an ugly woman. He has never, to my knowledge, commented on her physical appearance and routinely refers to her behavior and attitudes as his reasoning. For you to frame it that was is, again, misdirecting people from the substance of the point he is making towards something you'd rather pretend he said so you don't have to confront the reality of the situation and can remain detached from it.

It's not funny in that context, it's a statement of contempt and to prove a rhetorical point about their hypocrisy and censorious attitudes while protesting their domination of the media. What IS funny, is their over the top reaction to it.

The feminist authoritarians are so completely outraged at being made fun of that they are now demanding people be banned from running for office, because they're so intent on completely monopolizing the discussion that they're angry someone can run for office and get attention while talking about how dysfunctional and detrimental to society feminism is. Like I said, the chronic insecurity of authoritarian ideologies is that they cannot bare being made fun of.

Moreover I note you have to center the discussion on poor widdle Jess Phillips and her feelings rather than analyze the situation as a whole, ignoring everything in reality that would derail your narrative. Detacthing from it if you will, to focus solely on this fictional dynamic that exists only in your head.

It's like you view the world through a narrow pinhole called the feminist worldview, and only information that aligns with it gets through while the rest simply falls away.

The "Joke" is that the feminist press was so desperate to ignore the legitimate criticism of Jess Phillips, and so lying and so duplicitous and such a detriment to their society, that they would take a statement categorically denying someone was interested in raping Jess Phillips and spin it into a rape threat, which they in fact did do.

That's why it was funny. He's gone over this multiple times. He's mocking you behaving exactly this way.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Offensive humour can be very funny. The jokes tend to fall a bit flat when, rather than hold a mirror up to society and its taboos, they teeter on the edge of openly misogynistic threats and the main point is to nudge/wink towards incels and milk their overly-active sweat glands for every last subscriber. Being an obnoxious dickhead in ways that normalise being creepy towards women in the public eye is no bueno, even given that feminism downplays the reality of rape and sexual assault against men. Doing the same but opposite and turning it up to eleven under the banner of i r o n y and "owning the fems" can only go so far; even though I'm no feminist I'd want to actively disassociate myself from this tool rather than giving him far too much credit in claiming he's doing performance art, a clever satire that only an elect few can truly understand.

The only thing I'm laughing at is watching him bury himself and the fools stupid enough to politically associate with him.

[Ostroeuropa]

Offensive humour can be very funny. The jokes tend to fall a bit flat when, rather than hold a mirror up to society and its taboos, they teeter on the edge of openly misogynistic threats and the main point is to nudge/wink towards incels and milk their overly-active sweat glands for every last subscriber. Being an obnoxious dickhead in ways that normalise being creepy towards women in the public eye is no bueno, even given that feminism downplays the reality of rape and sexual assault against men. Doing the same but opposite and turning it up to eleven under the banner of i r o n y and "owning the fems" can only go so far; even though I'm no feminist I'd want to actively disassociate myself from this tool rather than giving him far too much credit in claiming he's doing performance art, a clever satire that only an elect few can truly understand.

The only thing I'm laughing at is watching him bury himself and the fools stupid enough to politically associate with him.

It does hold a mirror up to feminist hypocrisy though. I don't see how it's turned up to eleven in this case either.

I'm perfectly fine with sexism being aimed at people who are publicly sexist, given that we're now decades into bad faith from feminists on the issue of misandry and so on. You cannot force people to change their minds. You cannot stop them pulling the republican strategy of demanding you meet halfway while refusing to budge, then demanding you meet halfway again, and again. You cannot force them to care about you and treat you as an equal.

But you can stop caring about them. That IS within your power.

People should be hostile, dismissive, and so on to feminists. You should not care about their wellbeing. That is the solution. It is only when they start putting effort in, that we should in turn do so. Some feminists manage that already, most don't.

This particular joke is funny because it exposes something about them as a group, exactly as intended and as he explicitly laid out a few times. Not everyone will find it funny, his audience does.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Offensive humour can be very funny. The jokes tend to fall a bit flat when, rather than hold a mirror up to society and its taboos, they teeter on the edge of openly misogynistic threats and the main point is to nudge/wink towards incels and milk their overly-active sweat glands for every last subscriber. Being an obnoxious dickhead in ways that normalise being creepy towards women in the public eye is no bueno, even given that feminism downplays the reality of rape and sexual assault against men. Doing the same but opposite and turning it up to eleven under the banner of i r o n y and "owning the fems" can only go so far; even though I'm no feminist I'd want to actively disassociate myself from this tool rather than giving him far too much credit in claiming he's doing performance art, a clever satire that only an elect few can truly understand.

The only thing I'm laughing at is watching him bury himself and the fools stupid enough to politically associate with him.

It does hold a mirror up to feminist hypocrisy though. I don't see how it's turned up to eleven in this case either.

I'm perfectly fine with sexism being aimed at people who are publicly sexist.

Everyone has a different moral event horizon, I guess.

Personally I think he's entered the dramacow death spin - increasingly radical, doubling down on offensiveness, eventually finding himself without any platform and resorting to desperate stunts that'll give him no way back.

[Ostroeuropa]

It does hold a mirror up to feminist hypocrisy though. I don't see how it's turned up to eleven in this case either.

I'm perfectly fine with sexism being aimed at people who are publicly sexist.

Everyone has a different moral event horizon, I guess.

Personally I think he's entered the dramacow death spin - increasingly radical, doubling down on offensiveness, eventually finding himself without any platform and resorting to desperate stunts that'll give him no way back.

The platform point is the only real concern, but as more and more people get de-platformed, the viability of an alternative platform goes up.

[Hirota]

It's a good thing it's down to the electorate who they will and won't choose to represent them rather than via a diktat from on high.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's a good thing it's down to the electorate who they will and won't choose to represent them rather than via a diktat from on high.

Jess Phillips has actually called for legislation banning candidates like Carl.

[Hirota]

It's a good thing it's down to the electorate who they will and won't choose to represent them rather than via a diktat from on high.

Jess Phillips has actually called for legislation banning candidates like Carl.

Oh I noticed.

Quite honestly, Phillips calling for Benjamin to be banned is the biggest reason I can personally think of to vote for him. I disagree with him on a lot of things, but I find her plain detestable.

[Ostroeuropa]

Jess Phillips has actually called for legislation banning candidates like Carl.

Oh I noticed.

Quite honestly, Phillips calling for Benjamin to be banned is the biggest reason I can personally think of to vote for him. I disagree with him on a lot of things, but I find her plain detestable.

He is a bit of an oaf, but she is an active detriment to society.

[Ifreann]

Then it wasn't a joke, and does not benefit from any "It's just a joke!" defence.

Or are you going to tell me that I must be detached from reality if I think it's hurtful to have someone call you too ugly to rape. Or maybe I'm acting in bad faith by assuming that Jess Phillips has emotions.

...it's a statement of contempt...

Then it wasn't a joke, and does not benefit from any "It's just a joke!" defence.

[Ostroeuropa]

...it's a statement of contempt...

Then it wasn't a joke, and does not benefit from any "It's just a joke!" defence.

A joke can also be a statement of contempt, and furthermore, a joke doesn't necessarily have to be funny in the specific context it is made, but can be funny in a meta sense.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

The leader of UKIP, whoever that might be, is going to stand down.

[Hirota]

The leader of UKIP, whoever that might be, is going to stand down.

The only reason he stayed sa long as he did was to steady the ship, so to speak. He's always said he'd stand down, so I don't see this being because of any particular reason.