UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Ostroeuropa]

As in the legal statute? Hoo boy, sorry mate no, I'm not a lawyer. I'm discussing the impact in terms of social policy. Those are the laws which prohibit these particular actions, public drinking, public urinating, public sex, begging, and loitering with intent.

The articles above show examples of how they are used. I don't know the specific legal part of the law, but I don't think it's relevant for us to argue back on forth over the terminology therein when the articles show how it is in fact interpreted and used by officials.

The issue is, I don't think they do ban public drinking. I think they give the power to local government to select areas where public drinking is banned.

In terms of what we're talking about that doesn't really change much. Kind of makes it worse.

"I'm going to give an overly broad, sweeping power to Tory councils to ban drinking where they don't like it, get tonnes of homeless people fined thousands of pounds they can't afford or thrown in prison, then drink myself on a train where the Tories banned it."

[Fartsniffage]

The issue is, I don't think they do ban public drinking. I think they give the power to local government to select areas where public drinking is banned.

In terms of what we're talking about that doesn't really change much.

It really does. I was questioning whether the Blair government banned public drinking, you were saying it did. You've failed to show that it did.

[Ostroeuropa]

In terms of what we're talking about that doesn't really change much.

It really does. I was questioning whether the Blair government banned public drinking, you were saying it did. You've failed to show that it did.

Within the context of attacks on the homeless and Dianne Abbott being a hypocrite, it's a distinction without a difference not only in terms of practice, but also de facto.

Some councils tell the police to reprioritize and not go after marijuana users. Yet marijuana remains illegal. What is the practical difference between that action, and blairs law? Denial?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... le-growers

You're technically correct, but in a way that is kind of pointless beyond that technicality.

[Fartsniffage]

It really does. I was questioning whether the Blair government banned public drinking, you were saying it did. You've failed to show that it did.

Within the context of attacks on the homeless and Dianne Abbott being a hypocrite, it's a distinction without a difference not only in terms of practice, but also de facto.

Some councils tell the police to reprioritize and not go after marijuana users. Yet marijuana remains illegal. What is the practical difference between that action, and blairs law? Denial?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... le-growers

You're technically correct, but in a way that is kind of pointless beyond that technicality.

Of course you could have simply said that you misspoke and explained your position instead of doubling down.

I was honestly looking for another reason to hate the Blair government but then you made me defend them. You bastard.

[Ostroeuropa]

Within the context of attacks on the homeless and Dianne Abbott being a hypocrite, it's a distinction without a difference not only in terms of practice, but also de facto.

Some councils tell the police to reprioritize and not go after marijuana users. Yet marijuana remains illegal. What is the practical difference between that action, and blairs law? Denial?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... le-growers

You're technically correct, but in a way that is kind of pointless beyond that technicality.

Of course you could have simply said that you misspoke and explained your position instead of doubling down.

I was honestly looking for another reason to hate the Blair government but then you made me defend them. You bastard.

Honestly I was coming at it from a position of relating to the homeless people being arrested and being like; "Public drinking is illegal" and didn't quite manage to wrap my head around the convulted mess of the law in its legal structure. I'm not a law person, that isn't what I do.

We all need more reasons to hate the Blair government.

[Philjia]

Of course you could have simply said that you misspoke and explained your position instead of doubling down.

I was honestly looking for another reason to hate the Blair government but then you made me defend them. You bastard.

Honestly I was coming at it from a position of relating to the homeless people being arrested and being like; "Public drinking is illegal" and didn't quite manage to wrap my head around the convulted mess of the law in its legal structure. I'm not a law person, that isn't what I do.

We all need more reasons to hate the Blair government.

Blair's the one who took class division as a subject off the table for Labour, which is one of the main reasons why it's hard to talk about heterosexual white men being oppressed.

[Ostroeuropa]

Honestly I was coming at it from a position of relating to the homeless people being arrested and being like; "Public drinking is illegal" and didn't quite manage to wrap my head around the convulted mess of the law in its legal structure. I'm not a law person, that isn't what I do.

We all need more reasons to hate the Blair government.

Blair's the one who took class division as a subject off the table for Labour, which is one of the main reasons why it's hard to talk about heterosexual white men being oppressed.

One of them, but not the only reason. He also legalized sexist discrimination in political parties.

[Ostroeuropa]

It begins.

The Liberals are blinking first.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -far-right

Tony Blair: migrants should be forced to integrate more to combat far right
Former PM claims that ‘failure’ of multiculturalism has led to rise in bigotry

We'll soon see the back of this multicultural nonsense and a proper system put in its place. Shame Tony made much of this mess, but that he's come around is a good sign that he'll use his influence a particular way, and he is a very useful bellweather for the topic in terms of gaueging the neoliberal elites attitudes.

[Ifreann]

It begins.

The Liberals are blinking first.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -far-right

Tony Blair: migrants should be forced to integrate more to combat far right
Former PM claims that ‘failure’ of multiculturalism has led to rise in bigotry

We'll soon see the back of this multicultural nonsense and a proper system put in its place. Shame Tony made much of this mess, but that he's come around is a good sign that he'll use his influence a particular way, and he is a very useful bellweather for the topic.

Tony Blair is doing a bad take? Gosh.

[Ostroeuropa]

It begins.

The Liberals are blinking first.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -far-right



We'll soon see the back of this multicultural nonsense and a proper system put in its place. Shame Tony made much of this mess, but that he's come around is a good sign that he'll use his influence a particular way, and he is a very useful bellweather for the topic.

Tony Blair is doing a bad take? Gosh.

He is, for once, admitting that his initial take was a load of shite, and then trying to pretend you can do both at once because he's unwilling to commit to admitting that.
It comes across like a garbled mess where he says he agrees with both sides of the debate and their goals.

It's not a bad take Iffy. It's flat out what has happened and you're in denial if you don't see it. We have ghettoized areas and so on as a result of his shite policies and multiculturalism.

He might have cottoned on that history might well rank him the worst prime minister we have ever had if he allows yet another of his blunders to fester and eventually explode worse than it already has with Brexit and so on.

[Ifreann]

Tony Blair is doing a bad take? Gosh.

He is, for once, admitting that his initial take was a load of shite, and then trying to pretend you can do both at once because he's unwilling to commit to admitting that.
It comes across like a garbled mess where he says he agrees with both sides of the debate and their goals.

It's not a bad take Iffy. It's flat out what has happened and you're in denial if you don't see it. We have ghettoized areas and so on as a result of his shite policies and multiculturalism.

He might have cottoned on that history might well rank him the worst prime minister we have ever had if he allows yet another of his blunders to fester and eventually explode worse than it already has with Brexit and so on.

I would have hoped that Britain would know well enough what comes of trying to appease the far right.

[Kowani]

He is, for once, admitting that his initial take was a load of shite, and then trying to pretend you can do both at once because he's unwilling to commit to admitting that.
It comes across like a garbled mess where he says he agrees with both sides of the debate and their goals.

It's not a bad take Iffy. It's flat out what has happened and you're in denial if you don't see it. We have ghettoized areas and so on as a result of his shite policies and multiculturalism.

He might have cottoned on that history might well rank him the worst prime minister we have ever had if he allows yet another of his blunders to fester and eventually explode worse than it already has with Brexit and so on.

I would have hoped that Britain would know well enough what comes of trying to appease the far right.

“Peace in our time.”

[Souseiseki]

i just want to say it's really ironic that england wants state enforced monoculutralism and state enforced values but is also really really angry that the state keeps trying to force multi-culturalism on them and keeps trying to police what they say

[Vassenor]

So why is multiculturalism bad today?

[Caracasus]

So why is multiculturalism bad today?

It's only really bad if your society filters the added wealth and benefits more open borders brings upwards instead of investing in the infrastructure needed to make it a long term success.

Blair is a lying sack of shit who is spinning about faster than a wethervane in a storm, desprately trying to stay relavent. If as Osto suggests he was honestly accepting guilt for his 'part' then why not mention the numerous chances his government had to tackle the obscene gap between rich and poor, social housing problems or even the big one. I am certain that lying to start an illegal war that led to the collapse of an entire country and the rise of ISIS might have had a wee bit more to do with destabilizing the world than letting in foreigners.

[Greater Loegria]

Surrexit Dominus Vere, Alleluia!

I wish you all a very blessed Easter this year and please please remember that the Easter story serves as a message for Hope against all odds and that if no one else does, God loves you so much that he sent his own and only Son to be scourged, mocked and crucified to cleanse you of sin and offer you eternal life.

Please excuse these extremely ‘rustic’ hot cross buns!

[Caracasus]

Surrexit Dominus Vere, Alleluia!

I wish you all a very blessed Easter this year and please please remember that the Easter story serves as a message for Hope against all odds and that if no one else does, God loves you so much that he sent his own and only Son to be scourged, mocked and crucified to cleanse you of sin and offer you eternal life.

Please excuse these extremely ‘rustic’ hot cross buns!

Cheers. Hey, they look pretty nice actually!

[Vassenor]

Surrexit Dominus Vere, Alleluia!

I wish you all a very blessed Easter this year and please please remember that the Easter story serves as a message for Hope against all odds and that if no one else does, God loves you so much that he sent his own and only Son to be scourged, mocked and crucified to cleanse you of sin and offer you eternal life.

Please excuse these extremely ‘rustic’ hot cross buns!

The CDT is down the hall to your left.

[Greater Loegria]

Surrexit Dominus Vere, Alleluia!

I wish you all a very blessed Easter this year and please please remember that the Easter story serves as a message for Hope against all odds and that if no one else does, God loves you so much that he sent his own and only Son to be scourged, mocked and crucified to cleanse you of sin and offer you eternal life.

Please excuse these extremely ‘rustic’ hot cross buns!

The CDT is down the hall to your left.

My sincere apologies for sharing my good wishes for a holiday widely observed in the UK.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Surrexit Dominus Vere, Alleluia!

I wish you all a very blessed Easter this year and please please remember that the Easter story serves as a message for Hope against all odds and that if no one else does, God loves you so much that he sent his own and only Son to be scourged, mocked and crucified to cleanse you of sin and offer you eternal life.

Please excuse these extremely ‘rustic’ hot cross buns!

The CDT is down the hall to your left.

What is wrong with a happy easter message?

[Major-Tom]

Someone should keep an eye out for Theresa May, I could see her being depressed as fuck, and who could blame her? Brexit happened and subsequently shit on the whole established order of the UK and Cameron dipped the hell outta there on account he didn't know how the fuck to handle anything substantial, that dodgy fucker. May comes in and tries to handle the fire somehow, she keeps shooting herself in the foot all the while the opposition does the same. I mean, it's really quite the recipe for a cocktail of depression for May, innit? I'd hate to be her - despite all her consistent failings with Brexit - but what truly bothers me is the fact that Corbyn (whom I want to like) has lost his gusto, all he seems to care about is muttering about snap elections.

I want to like the guy, but he's really, really lost his gusto and credence since 2017.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Someone should keep an eye out for Theresa May, I could see her being depressed as fuck, and who could blame her? Brexit happened and subsequently shit on the whole established order of the UK and Cameron dipped the hell outta there on account he didn't know how the fuck to handle anything substantial, that dodgy fucker. May comes in and tries to handle the fire somehow, she keeps shooting herself in the foot all the while the opposition does the same. I mean, it's really quite the recipe for a cocktail of depression for May, innit? I'd hate to be her - despite all her consistent failings with Brexit - but what truly bothers me is the fact that Corbyn (whom I want to like) has lost his gusto, all he seems to care about is muttering about snap elections.

I want to like the guy, but he's really, really lost his gusto and credence since 2017.

The only one of the major politicians who seems to want to do anything at the moment is Nigel Farage. I just hope this latest round of round-the-clock campaigning doesn't kill him, man's not well.

[Duhon]

Someone should keep an eye out for Theresa May, I could see her being depressed as fuck, and who could blame her? Brexit happened and subsequently shit on the whole established order of the UK and Cameron dipped the hell outta there on account he didn't know how the fuck to handle anything substantial, that dodgy fucker. May comes in and tries to handle the fire somehow, she keeps shooting herself in the foot all the while the opposition does the same. I mean, it's really quite the recipe for a cocktail of depression for May, innit? I'd hate to be her - despite all her consistent failings with Brexit - but what truly bothers me is the fact that Corbyn (whom I want to like) has lost his gusto, all he seems to care about is muttering about snap elections.

I want to like the guy, but he's really, really lost his gusto and credence since 2017.

Every British politician not openly advocating for curbstomping Brexit, flushing the remains down the sewers and out the Thames into the Atlantic, and maybe declaring a spanking-new Cameron Effigy day in celebration is in fact trash.

No one's gonna change my mind on this (except the Guy Fawkes ripoff, that can be negotiated).

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Someone should keep an eye out for Theresa May, I could see her being depressed as fuck, and who could blame her? Brexit happened and subsequently shit on the whole established order of the UK and Cameron dipped the hell outta there on account he didn't know how the fuck to handle anything substantial, that dodgy fucker. May comes in and tries to handle the fire somehow, she keeps shooting herself in the foot all the while the opposition does the same. I mean, it's really quite the recipe for a cocktail of depression for May, innit? I'd hate to be her - despite all her consistent failings with Brexit - but what truly bothers me is the fact that Corbyn (whom I want to like) has lost his gusto, all he seems to care about is muttering about snap elections.

I want to like the guy, but he's really, really lost his gusto and credence since 2017.

Every British politician not openly advocating for curbstomping Brexit, flushing the remains down the sewers and out the Thames into the Atlantic, and maybe declaring a spanking-new Cameron Effigy day in celebration is in fact trash.

No one's gonna change my mind on this (except the Guy Fawkes ripoff, that can be negotiated).

Why don't you want Brexit to happen then?

[Duhon]

Tony Blair is doing a bad take? Gosh.

He is, for once, admitting that his initial take was a load of shite, and then trying to pretend you can do both at once because he's unwilling to commit to admitting that.
It comes across like a garbled mess where he says he agrees with both sides of the debate and their goals.

It's not a bad take Iffy. It's flat out what has happened and you're in denial if you don't see it. We have ghettoized areas and so on as a result of his shite policies and multiculturalism.

He might have cottoned on that history might well rank him the worst prime minister we have ever had if he allows yet another of his blunders to fester and eventually explode worse than it already has with Brexit and so on.

One can insist on letting people immigrate and settle yet call for a common bedrock of values that all can agree on regardless of one's station in life, while keeping tabs on zealots, ensuring they don't run amok, and letting the rest be if they keep the peace (even if they hold extremist views).