UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Valrifell]

The anti-Soviet left didn't vote for Jean Marie Le Pen, Thatcher or Reagan.

They collaborated with them and understood that when a soviet reared its head, they were to present a united front with the conservatives.

An alliance between neoconservatives and anti-soviet left-wingers to sabotage left-wing policies and encourage austerity and privatization?

Is anyone else confused as fuck?

[Liriena]

Really?

Dude.
Clement Atlee, founder of the NHS?

Socialist?

Used the fucking army to shoot at communist led strikes. In Britain. At British communists.

Now, I didn't know about that.

What a dick move.

[Ostroeuropa]

He's not good at debates. He wanders in to them expecting chats and that's just not how it goes. The other people tend to prep.

MEPs need to be good at debating.

Nah mate, I'm not counting on anyone convincing anyone else of their position. I'd support Sargon because i'd trust him to vote the right way on legislation, not because I expect anhyone to change their minds.

[Ostroeuropa]

Dude.
Clement Atlee, founder of the NHS?

Socialist?

Used the fucking army to shoot at communist led strikes. In Britain. At British communists.

Now, I didn't know about that.

What a dick move.

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/n ... ellen.html

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

They collaborated with them and understood that when a soviet reared its head, they were to present a united front with the conservatives.

An alliance between neoconservatives and anti-soviet left-wingers to sabotage left-wing policies and encourage austerity and privatization?

Is anyone else confused as fuck?

One of those is not a neoconservative considering his first ever political act after coming out of Algeria and the Legion was to issue this gem regarding the Collaborateur-en-Chef: "Was General de Gaulle more brave than Marshal Pétain in the occupied zone? This isn't sure. It was much easier to resist in London than to resist in France."

[Liriena]

Now, I didn't know about that.

What a dick move.

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/n ... ellen.html

In the end, Posadas was the only good leftist. :/

[Ostroeuropa]

They collaborated with them and understood that when a soviet reared its head, they were to present a united front with the conservatives.

An alliance between neoconservatives and anti-soviet left-wingers to sabotage left-wing policies and encourage austerity and privatization?

Is anyone else confused as fuck?

No, it's more that from 1945 until about 1980, the left and the right collaborated against the extremes, and from 1980 til about 2008, collaborated with neoliberals until they were revealed to be crap at economics.

Now it's a matter of collaborating against social extremists.

[Vassenor]

Really?

Dude.
Clement Atlee, founder of the NHS?

Socialist?

Used the fucking army to shoot at communist led strikes. In Britain. At British communists.
(Non-communist led strikes? No prob.).

Labour, even during its full tilt to the left, was explicitly an anti-communist party. That's why the purges during the 80s were allowed to go ahead, because they were infiltrators. (Or so goes the accusation at least.).

So why can I find no evidence of lethal force being used for strikebreaking?

[Liriena]

Now it's a matter of collaborating against social extremists.

Does this collaboration include fighting against the rampant transphobia in the UK?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

An alliance between neoconservatives and anti-soviet left-wingers to sabotage left-wing policies and encourage austerity and privatization?

Is anyone else confused as fuck?

No, it's more that from 1945 until about 1980, the left and the right collaborated against the extremes, and from 1980 til about 2008, collaborated with neoliberals until they were revealed to be crap at economics.

Now it's a matter of collaborating against social extremists.

It is interesting that you included Jean Marie Le Pen in your enumeration of alleged neoconservatives because Jean Marie Le Pen is a wannabe Vichy Elder.

[Ostroeuropa]

Now it's a matter of collaborating against social extremists.

Does this collaboration include fighting against the rampant transphobia in the UK?

When it comes to that issue I tend to side with the pro-trans folks as do many others.

[Liriena]

Does this collaboration include fighting against the rampant transphobia in the UK?

When it comes to that issue I tend to side with the pro-trans folks as do many others.

Thank gawd. The more I've read on that, the more haunting it gets.

[Ifreann]

Sargon will be a good MEP and I wish him the best, cmv.

He opposes corruption, feminism, and government power while supporting welfare, the bus, and so on. He opposes porn bans,drug bans and the like. He understands the threat posed by multiculturalism and Saudi influence, has MRM sympathies though not as many as i would prefer, and so on. He will be better than 99% of politicians. His opposition to the EU is unfortunate, but I trust him to do his duty if elected and we remain rather than being a wrecker.

Best of luck to Carl of Swindon in overcoming his long history of saying shit that plays well with his audience of internet edgelords, but also having literally no other basis on which to appeal to British voters. Should be fun to see him try to explain that it was actually a good thing when he told Jess Phillips he wouldn't even rape her, prompting a barrage of rape threats against her, or that it was actually very smart and rational to send people gay porn on Twitter and very unfair for him to be banned for doing that, or maybe he'll have another go at diagnosing feminists with Autism. Truly we are in for some very mad bantz indeed.

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my only exposure to sargon is the time he refused to watch a video on why he was misreading a study because it wasn't 5 minutes long and various other examples of him failing to read articles. it's possible he is a secret good guy and i have merely been poisoned by the left, but i would be very very surprised if that was actually the case.

i do remember him making a "why the tories are ruining your country" video though which was v funny because it pissed off his tory audience.

e: holy shit when you realize that sargon of akkad is now ontopic for UK politics aahahahaha current year

Truly we live in the worst of all possible timelines.

[Ostroeuropa]

Sargon will be a good MEP and I wish him the best, cmv.

He opposes corruption, feminism, and government power while supporting welfare, the bus, and so on. He opposes porn bans,drug bans and the like. He understands the threat posed by multiculturalism and Saudi influence, has MRM sympathies though not as many as i would prefer, and so on. He will be better than 99% of politicians. His opposition to the EU is unfortunate, but I trust him to do his duty if elected and we remain rather than being a wrecker.

Best of luck to Carl of Swindon in overcoming his long history of saying shit that plays well with his audience of internet edgelords, but also having literally no other basis on which to appeal to British voters. Should be fun to see him try to explain that it was actually a good thing when he told Jess Phillips he wouldn't even rape her, prompting a barrage of rape threats against her, or that it was actually very smart and rational to send people gay porn on Twitter and very unfair for him to be banned for doing that, or maybe he'll have another go at diagnosing feminists with Autism. Truly we are in for some very mad bantz indeed.

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my only exposure to sargon is the time he refused to watch a video on why he was misreading a study because it wasn't 5 minutes long and various other examples of him failing to read articles. it's possible he is a secret good guy and i have merely been poisoned by the left, but i would be very very surprised if that was actually the case.

i do remember him making a "why the tories are ruining your country" video though which was v funny because it pissed off his tory audience.

e: holy shit when you realize that sargon of akkad is now ontopic for UK politics aahahahaha current year

Truly we live in the worst of all possible timelines.

You appear to be laboring under the impression that this little islington set style of progressive crap is normal.

This is not normal. This is not a normal culture. This is a cultural pathology.

The polls are very consistent on the matter, everyone is sick of feminism, of progressivism, and so on. It is only through insularity, gatekeeping, and infiltration of institutions that it persists.

The public will side with people like Trump rather than people like Jess Phillips, let alone Benjamin. The press will smugly do what you have just now, bring up all this crap about him and argue it makes him unacceptable, and the public will do what they did the last dozen times progressive journalists tried that shit.

Vote for it.

I think what needs to be said, what people don't have the courage to say, is that nobody cares. Nobody cares about what your faction has to say anymore. You'd think backing Nazis would have delivered the message but apparently not. Pick someone you disagree with, and that's our boy, back em up to the hilt, even if it's something like brexit. We're sick of you.
We're sick of you talking. We're sick of you dominating the discussion.

You're driving society fucking insane, like "Let's do Brexit, fuck it" insane.

Go ahead and list all he's done, but the problem is, it's YOU talking, so nobody cares. Because we know that misandry, anti-white stuff, that's your worldview. It's like when the republicans throw a fit over a supreme court seat and filibuster it and block it, then immediately appoint their own and whine about democrats obstructing and obstruction being bad.

It's not sincere. You're not sincere. Everybody gets it. Nothing you say can stop us observing that fact, and the fact is, the right response is for democrats (And us) to just ignore you and understand the moralistic outbursts are not sincere statements of principles, but are a political strategy. When you condemn people over racism and sexism, because it's you talking, it doesn't matter. Not to anyone anymore.

We know that "No rules for the lion, and many for the sheep" is how you operate.

I say "You", but i'm discussing the general progressive movement and my impression of it. That also appears to be the publics impression of it by this point.

[Ifreann]

Best of luck to Carl of Swindon in overcoming his long history of saying shit that plays well with his audience of internet edgelords, but also having literally no other basis on which to appeal to British voters. Should be fun to see him try to explain that it was actually a good thing when he told Jess Phillips he wouldn't even rape her, prompting a barrage of rape threats against her, or that it was actually very smart and rational to send people gay porn on Twitter and very unfair for him to be banned for doing that, or maybe he'll have another go at diagnosing feminists with Autism. Truly we are in for some very mad bantz indeed.

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Truly we live in the worst of all possible timelines.

You appear to be laboring under the impression that this little islington set style of progressive crap is normal.

This is not normal. This is a cultural pathology.

The polls are very consistent on the matter, everyone is sick of feminism, of progressivism, and so on. It is only through insularity, gatekeeping, and infiltration of institutions that it persists.

The public will side with people like Trump rather than people like Jess Phillips, let alone Benjamin. The press will smugly do what you have just now, bring up all this crap about him and argue it makes him unacceptable, and the public will do what they did the last dozen times progressive journalists tried that shit.

Re-elect Jess Phillips?

Vote for it.

Don't know if you've noticed, the EU doesn't have an electoral college. Carl can't win by following in the footsteps of Trump and getting fewer votes.

I think what needs to be said, what people don't have the courage to say, is that nobody cares. Nobody cares about what your faction has to say anymore. You'd think backing Nazis would have delivered the message but apparently not. Pick someone you disagree with, and that's our boy, back em up to the hilt, even if it's something like brexit. We're sick of you.
We're sick of you talking. We're sick of you dominating the discussion.

You're driving society fucking insane, like "Let's do Brexit, fuck it" insane.

How about this.
Sack half of the feminists in the country and replace them with an alternative.
Then maybe people might listen to what you have to say for once instead of being like "Okay well those people occupying our country and forcing us to do what they say without alternative have picked another front for us to fight on."

[Vassenor]

You appear to be laboring under the impression that this little islington set style of progressive crap is normal.

This is not normal. This is a cultural pathology.

The polls are very consistent on the matter, everyone is sick of feminism, of progressivism, and so on. It is only through insularity, gatekeeping, and infiltration of institutions that it persists.

The public will side with people like Trump rather than people like Jess Phillips, let alone Benjamin. The press will smugly do what you have just now, bring up all this crap about him and argue it makes him unacceptable, and the public will do what they did the last dozen times progressive journalists tried that shit.

Re-elect Jess Phillips?

Vote for it.

Don't know if you've noticed, the EU doesn't have an electoral college. Carl can't win by following in the footsteps of Trump and getting fewer votes.

I think what needs to be said, what people don't have the courage to say, is that nobody cares. Nobody cares about what your faction has to say anymore. You'd think backing Nazis would have delivered the message but apparently not. Pick someone you disagree with, and that's our boy, back em up to the hilt, even if it's something like brexit. We're sick of you.
We're sick of you talking. We're sick of you dominating the discussion.

You're driving society fucking insane, like "Let's do Brexit, fuck it" insane.

How about this.
Sack half of the feminists in the country and replace them with an alternative.
Then maybe people might listen to what you have to say for once instead of being like "Okay well those people occupying our country and forcing us to do what they say without alternative have picked another front for us to fight on."

Are we careering into full on #notracistbut territory now?

[Ostroeuropa]

*snip*

Cute picture, but it's more a case of not allowing you to dictate the conversation without reciprocation anymore, rejecting the "No rules for the lion and many for the sheep" dynamic.

When a misandrist and anti-white movement throws out objections, they're not ones we should pay attention to. It's like deciding; "Oh wow, all those misandrists and racists hate this person? They sound good."

This is the problem. It's why fascism is rising. Your faction has actively brought about a set of situations where racism and sexism are guaranteed, and it's a matter of demographic conflict and self-interest.

Your picture may as well be mocking the notion that someone is "Making others go to war with them." by shooting at them.

[Ifreann]

*snip*

Cute picture, but it's more a case of not allowing you to dictate the conversation without reciprocation anymore, rejecting the "No rules for the lion and many for the sheep" dynamic.

When a misandrist and anti-white movement throws out objections, they're not ones we should pay attention to. It's like deciding; "Oh wow, all those misandrists and racists hate this person? They sound good."

This is the problem. It's why fascism is rising. Your faction has actively brought about a set of situations where racism and sexism are guaranteed, and it's a matter of demographic conflict and self-interest.

Your picture may as well be mocking the notion that someone is "Making others go to war with them." by shooting at them.

Which is to say, you are going to shave your head and get a Swastika tattoo because feminists objected to Carl of Swindon calling them Autistic.

[Kavagrad]

*snip*

Cute picture, but it's more a case of not allowing you to dictate the conversation without reciprocation anymore, rejecting the "No rules for the lion and many for the sheep" dynamic.

When a misandrist and anti-white movement throws out objections, they're not ones we should pay attention to. It's like deciding; "Oh wow, all those misandrists and racists hate this person? They sound good."

This is the problem. It's why fascism is rising. Your faction has actively brought about a set of situations where racism and sexism are guaranteed, and it's a matter of demographic conflict and self-interest.

Your picture may as well be mocking the notion that someone is "Making others go to war with them." by shooting at them.

That you'd rather jump into bed with fascists and the far-right than progressives tells us all we need to know.

[Juristonia]

Oh goodie, I was wondering when we were gonna get another "Hurrdurr fenunemists" temper tantrum.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Oh goodie, I was wondering when we were gonna get another "Hurrdurr fenunemists" temper tantrum. :roll:

Can we call this latest session: "Joining the Neonazis to own the feminists"? *thonk*

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

The polls are very consistent on the matter, everyone is sick of feminism, of progressivism, and so on.

Maybe if they’re exclusively polling right-wing reactionaries.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Cute picture, but it's more a case of not allowing you to dictate the conversation without reciprocation anymore, rejecting the "No rules for the lion and many for the sheep" dynamic.

When a misandrist and anti-white movement throws out objections, they're not ones we should pay attention to. It's like deciding; "Oh wow, all those misandrists and racists hate this person? They sound good."

This is the problem. It's why fascism is rising. Your faction has actively brought about a set of situations where racism and sexism are guaranteed, and it's a matter of demographic conflict and self-interest.

Your picture may as well be mocking the notion that someone is "Making others go to war with them." by shooting at them.

That you'd rather jump into bed with fascists and the far-right than progressives tells us all we need to know.

Who are doing more harm to society at present?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh goodie, I was wondering when we were gonna get another "Hurrdurr fenunemists" temper tantrum.

Against the power of feminist based tangents there can be no victory.

[Juristonia]

Who are doing more harm to society at present?

Fascists and the far-right.

That was easy.
Give me another.