UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Liriena]

From 2015. I wonder where Sargon stands now, in 2019... Oh, right.

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He's jerking himself off to the idea of Bolsonaro going full Pinochetist on Brazilian leftists.

Are you done?

Do you honestly not see that he's mocking the notion that Brazil is going to open death camps for leftists?

Ah, yes, "it's just a joke maaaaaaan".

But... say... weren't you the same guy who reminded us all once that the far right utilizes humor to mask its intent? And we know for a fact that Sargon has yet to find a single far right leader in the western hemisphere who he doesn't unironically support. Trump? Check. Le Pen? Check. UKIP? Double check. Bolsonaro? Seems like it. And I bet he's enough of a cunt that he'd support Macri to own Argie leftists because "muh feminism".

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Do you honestly not see that he's mocking the notion that Brazil is going to open death camps for leftists?

Ah, yes, "it's just a joke maaaaaaan".

I wonder what else will pass for a "joke" in the future elections. Holocaust denial?

[Ostroeuropa]

Do you honestly not see that he's mocking the notion that Brazil is going to open death camps for leftists?

Ah, yes, "it's just a joke maaaaaaan". Weren't you the same guy who reminded us all once that the far right utilizes humor to mask its intent? And we know for a fact that Sargon has yet to find a single far right leader in the western hemisphere who he doesn't support. Trump? Check. Le Pen? Check. UKIP? Double check. Bolsonaro? Seems like it. And I bet he's enough of a cunt that he'd support Macri to own Argie leftists because "muh feminism".

Yes, they do. Sargon however isn't far-right and even a cursory knowledge of his positions would make that obvious. He opposes identitiarianism in all its forms. He opposes people being concerned with "Who people are, rather than what they do.". He has been explicit and detailed in explaining his outlook, which I disagree with by the way, that the far-right and progressive left share this flaw and that is what makes them undesirable.

Well, feminism is a threat to the freedom and equality of 50% of the population of a given nation. So, yeah, probably.

[Liriena]

So Sargon gets a pass on supporting Le Pen the unrepentant Vichy Fascist Dynasty as long as he's antiprogressive?

No, he gets a pass so long as his overall political stances are sound.

Man, imagine if we applied that logic to Islamic fundamentalism.

"So... I'm actually a liberal with some socialist leanings, but I kinda like ISIS's hatred of feminism and Iran, so I hope you don't accuse me of being an Islamic fundamentalist myself or an accomplice or a useful idiot when I join them just to own them feminazis and the ayatollah."

[Vassenor]

Ah, yes, "it's just a joke maaaaaaan".

I wonder what else will pass for a "joke" in the future elections. Holocaust denial?

Didn't Galloway try that at one point?

[Ostroeuropa]

No, he gets a pass so long as his overall political stances are sound.

Man, imagine if we applied that logic to Islamic fundamentalism.

"So... I'm actually a liberal with some socialist leanings, but I kinda like ISIS's hatred of feminism and Iran, so I hope you don't accuse me of being an Islamic fundamentalist myself or an accomplice or a useful idiot when I join them just to own them feminazis and the ayatollah."

Hegemonies tend to force people to band together. It's just realpolitik.

[Liriena]

And his involvement in the GG hate movement.

GG isn't a hate movement

Indeed. It's just a movement of healthy young men dedicated to protecting digitally rendered boobies and booties from critical analysis and the scourge of sometimes having female characters who aren't supermodels.

[Ostroeuropa]

So let's think about what Carl can realistically be expected to do on these issues.

1. He's going to oppose feminist legislation unless it's actually egalitarian and will laugh at/criticize them if they try and pull their gaslighting techniques on him.
-> Good.
2. He'll also oppose it if it's not individualist.
-> Bad, but nothing to cry about from a right-wing party candidate.

3. He'll oppose more immigration.
-> Good.

4. He'll oppose multiculturalism
-> Good.

5. He'll oppose corruption
-> Good.

6. He'll oppose internet freedom being curtailed
-> Very good.

7. He'll oppose sex negativity.
-> Good.

8. He'll support liberal values on social issues.
-> Good.

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What's the fucking problem exactly? What legislative powers do you think he'll manage to use poorly?

[Liriena]

Man, imagine if we applied that logic to Islamic fundamentalism.

"So... I'm actually a liberal with some socialist leanings, but I kinda like ISIS's hatred of feminism and Iran, so I hope you don't accuse me of being an Islamic fundamentalist myself or an accomplice or a useful idiot when I join them just to own them feminazis and the ayatollah."

Hegemonies tend to force people to band together. It's just realpolitik.

They generally don't force actual, committed leftists to band together with some of their main rivals of the past two centuries.

[Vassenor]

GG isn't a hate movement

Indeed. It's just a movement of healthy young men dedicated to protecting digitally rendered boobies and booties from critical analysis and the scourge of sometimes having female characters who aren't supermodels.

But heaven forbid that games be made by women or be reported on by women. That's the other big evil.

[Liriena]

3. He'll oppose more immigration.
-> Good.

Betraying the international worker's movement and pitting workers against workers to own the libs.

4. He'll oppose multiculturalism
-> Good.

And what is he going to support in its stead, I wonder?

8. He'll support liberal values on social issues.
-> Good.

Given the stuff he spewed in his debate with Destiny, I wouldn't be so sure about that.

[Ostroeuropa]

Indeed. It's just a movement of healthy young men dedicated to protecting digitally rendered boobies and booties from critical analysis and the scourge of sometimes having female characters who aren't supermodels.

But heaven forbid that games be made by women or be reported on by women. That's the other big evil.

Games made by women have been supported by GG, as have women reporters. They even have a list of those you should support. But that wouldn't fit the narrative.

Hegemonies tend to force people to band together. It's just realpolitik.

They generally don't force actual, committed leftists to band together with some of their main rivals of the past two centuries.

What is the Anti-Soviet Left for 1,000 dollars please.

[Liriena]

They generally don't force actual, committed leftists to band together with some of their main rivals of the past two centuries.

What is the Anti-Soviet Left for 1,000 dollars please.

The anti-Soviet left didn't vote for Jean Marie Le Pen, Thatcher or Reagan.

[Ostroeuropa]

What is the Anti-Soviet Left for 1,000 dollars please.

The anti-Soviet left didn't vote for Jean Marie Le Pen, Thatcher or Reagan.

They collaborated with them and understood that when a soviet reared its head, they were to present a united front with the conservatives.

[Vassenor]

3. He'll oppose more immigration.
-> Good.

Betraying the international worker's movement and pitting workers against workers to own the libs.

4. He'll oppose multiculturalism
-> Good.

And what is he going to support in its stead, I wonder?

8. He'll support liberal values on social issues.
-> Good.

Given the stuff he spewed in his debate with Destiny, I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Also why is Multiculturalism bad?

[Souseiseki]

oh yeah i also watched his destiny debate. sargon came off as super unprepared and wandering. i also watch the kristi winters debate, where sargon basically completely missed the actual topic of the debate and complained about tumblr feminists. he seems really bad at forming a coherent position or staying on message.

[Vassenor]

oh yeah i also watched his destiny debate. sargon came off as super unprepared and wandering. i also watch the kristi winters debate, where sargon basically completely missed the actual topic of the debate and complained about tumblr feminists. he seems really bad at forming a coherent position.

Sounds like he's perfect for UKIP then.

[Ostroeuropa]

oh yeah i also watched his destiny debate. sargon came off as super unprepared and wandering. i also watch the kristi winters debate, where sargon basically completely missed the actual topic of the debate and complained about tumblr feminists. he seems really bad at forming a coherent position.

He's not good at debates. He wanders in to them expecting chats and that's just not how it goes. The other people tend to prep.

[Liriena]

Well, feminism is a threat to the freedom and equality of 50% of the population of a given nation. So, yeah, probably.

Your woes with feminism in the UK don't necessarily apply to feminism worldwide. We went through this back when Bolsonaro got elected: just because British feminism might be shit doesn't mean you get to make global conclusions about women's movements in completely different countries. Contrary to what some long dead cunts thought, Great Britain's cultural dynamics are not universal to all human societies.

[Liriena]

The anti-Soviet left didn't vote for Jean Marie Le Pen, Thatcher or Reagan.

They collaborated with them and understood that when a soviet reared its head, they were to present a united front with the conservatives.

Really?

[Vassenor]

Well, feminism is a threat to the freedom and equality of 50% of the population of a given nation.

Amazing. Every word of what you just said... Was wrong.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The anti-Soviet left didn't vote for Jean Marie Le Pen, Thatcher or Reagan.

They collaborated with them and understood that when a soviet reared its head, they were to present a united front with the conservatives.

I would be very surprised if any of the French leftist parties ever spoke in support of Jean Marie Le Pen
This is after a man whose first political act was to speak up in support of les Collaborateurs
<.<

[Ostroeuropa]

Well, feminism is a threat to the freedom and equality of 50% of the population of a given nation. So, yeah, probably.

Your woes with feminism in the UK don't necessarily apply to feminism worldwide. We went through this back when Bolsonaro got elected: just because British feminism might be shit doesn't mean you get to make global conclusions about women's movements in completely different countries. Contrary to what some long dead cunts thought, Great Britain's cultural dynamics are not universal to all human societies.

The EU in general has a problem variant of feminism, as evidenced by our disgusting capitulation to Istanbul convention, and our previous capitulations to demands that the law allow for "More humane treatment of women" by the justice system, (Those are the exact words), which led to the ruling that it's fine to ban imprisoning women for life even if you still jail men for life.

[Ostroeuropa]

They collaborated with them and understood that when a soviet reared its head, they were to present a united front with the conservatives.

Really?

Dude.
Clement Atlee, founder of the NHS?

Socialist?

Used the fucking army to shoot at communist led strikes. In Britain. At British communists.
(Non-communist led strikes? No prob.).

Labour, even during its full tilt to the left, was explicitly an anti-communist party. That's why the purges during the 80s were allowed to go ahead, because they were infiltrators. (Or so goes the accusation at least.).

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

oh yeah i also watched his destiny debate. sargon came off as super unprepared and wandering. i also watch the kristi winters debate, where sargon basically completely missed the actual topic of the debate and complained about tumblr feminists. he seems really bad at forming a coherent position.

He's not good at debates. He wanders in to them expecting chats and that's just not how it goes. The other people tend to prep.

MEPs need to be good at debating.