UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Ostroeuropa]

my only exposure to sargon is the time he refused to watch a video on why he was misreading a study because it wasn't 5 minutes long and various other examples of him failing to read articles. it's possible he is a secret good guy and i have merely been poisoned by the left, but i would be very very surprised if that was actually the case.

i do remember him making a "why the tories are ruining your country" video though which was v funny because it pissed off his tory audience.

e: holy shit when you realize that sargon of akkad is now ontopic for UK politics aahahahaha current year

He made a video about porn laws and how much the left has been cucked by conservatism and sex negative feminists on the topic, so you'd probably like his overall outlook.

He's made probably about a thousand videos, and it says a lot that they hone in on the few where he's made an error.

Which specific outlook of his are you worried about.

His proud status as a useful idiot of the far right who's repeatedly conceded the stupidest far right talking points because he's too ignorant and incurious to fact check that shit. Oh, but sure, sometimes he says he actually doesn't like nazis, you guys. Which is kind of like when I tell people that I only attend Pride because some of my friends are LGBT+ and not because I secretly like dick and have I mentioned I kinda like rugby today?

Which talking points exactly?

He's made videos explaining exactly why he thinks the far-right are full of it.

[Liriena]

my only exposure to sargon is the time he refused to watch a video on why he was misreading a study because it wasn't 5 minutes long and various other examples of him failing to read articles. it's possible he is a secret good guy and i have merely been poisoned by the left, but i would be very very surprised if that was actually the case.

i do remember him making a "why the tories are ruining your country" video though which was v funny because it pissed off his tory audience.

e: holy shit when you realize that sargon of akkad is now ontopic for UK politics aahahahaha current year

He's such a left-winger that he supported Le Pen over Melenchon or Poutou.

[Ostroeuropa]

He was right to identify a hate movement on campus.

He was so right that he couldn't even be bothered to specify which courses in which universities, and when pressed on it, he name-dropped a handful of courses without even looking at what they were actually teaching.

You sure this "classical liberal" UKIPer dipshit is the hill your syndicalist self wants to die on?

It's an epidemic at this point because it amounts to a pervasive lens by which almost every subject is viewed, like modernism used to be.

He's broadly a social democrat with anti-progressive tendencies. Shame about the Europe thing, but oh well.

[Ostroeuropa]

my only exposure to sargon is the time he refused to watch a video on why he was misreading a study because it wasn't 5 minutes long and various other examples of him failing to read articles. it's possible he is a secret good guy and i have merely been poisoned by the left, but i would be very very surprised if that was actually the case.

i do remember him making a "why the tories are ruining your country" video though which was v funny because it pissed off his tory audience.

e: holy shit when you realize that sargon of akkad is now ontopic for UK politics aahahahaha current year

He's such a left-winger that he supported Le Pen over Melenchon or Poutou.

Much of the rise of the far-right is down to the left wing caving in to progressives. This isn't rocket science. Hoping that you guys continue to lose and get edged out in favor of "right wing, or far-right?" is an attempt to signal to you that you need to back off. Political wilderness and such.

Why not look at Sargon as a conservative candidate. Is the level of vitriol and hysteria you're throwing out disproportionate?

Absolutely, yes. He's a very very good conservative candidate. The reason you're angry about it is he is conscious of the threat posed by progressives, and you'd have less anger to throw out at someone like Rees Mogg even though he'd rather privatize the NHS and brutalize minorities.

[Liriena]

His proud status as a useful idiot of the far right who's repeatedly conceded the stupidest far right talking points because he's too ignorant and incurious to fact check that shit. Oh, but sure, sometimes he says he actually doesn't like nazis, you guys. Which is kind of like when I tell people that I only attend Pride because some of my friends are LGBT+ and not because I secretly like dick and have I mentioned I kinda like rugby today?

Which talking points exactly?

He's made videos explaining exactly why he thinks the far-right are full of it.

Off the top of my head, it turned out that he believed the far right lie that Heather Heyer died from a heart attack caused by her being overweight.

[Ostroeuropa]

Which talking points exactly?

He's made videos explaining exactly why he thinks the far-right are full of it.

Off the top of my head, it turned out that he believed the far right lie that Heather Heyer died from a heart attack caused by her being overweight.

And issued a retraction shortly after. So what exactly?

[Ostroeuropa]

https://youtu.be/gfOob-36OEo?t=1100

Nazi!
Oh my god! Nazi!
Sargon is a Nazi!

>Literally better than 99% of candidates, just like I said.

(you can use it as a screencap type thing, the relevant image is on screen.)

[Liriena]

He's such a left-winger that he supported Le Pen over Melenchon or Poutou.

Much of the rise of the far-right is down to the left wing caving in to progressives.

Probably has more to do with the left wing caving in to neoliberals, but sure, whatever floats your "everything is social progressivism's fault" boat.

Why not look at Sargon as a conservative candidate. Is the level of vitriol and hysteria you're throwing out disproportionate?

What "hysteria"?

The reason you're angry about it is he is conscious of the threat posed by progressives, and you'd have less anger to throw out at someone like Rees Mogg even though he'd rather privatize the NHS and brutalize minorities.

First of all, don't try to psychoanalyze me. You're shit at it.

Second of all, congrats on once again projecting your prejudices on me. As fucking usual. What makes you think I have any less disdain towards Rees Mogg than Sargon? Rees Mogg is a reactionary cunt. You don't need me to tell you that. But you clearly do need to hear that Sargon is just as big a pile of shit.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So antiprogressive one sees nothing wrong with supporting a whole family of Vichy Fascists.

[Vassenor]

So basically even though he's been a racist fuckwit, the fact he's been pro-MRA and anti-Feminist means he is the new Jesus apparently.

[Ostroeuropa]

Much of the rise of the far-right is down to the left wing caving in to progressives.

Probably has more to do with the left wing caving in to neoliberals, but sure, whatever floats your "everything is social progressivism's fault" boat.

Why not look at Sargon as a conservative candidate. Is the level of vitriol and hysteria you're throwing out disproportionate?

What "hysteria"?

The reason you're angry about it is he is conscious of the threat posed by progressives, and you'd have less anger to throw out at someone like Rees Mogg even though he'd rather privatize the NHS and brutalize minorities.

First of all, don't try to psychoanalyze me. You're shit at it.

Second of all, congrats on once again projecting your prejudices on me. As fucking usual. What makes you think I have any less disdain towards Rees Mogg than Sargon? Rees Mogg is a reactionary cunt. You don't need me to tell you that. But you clearly do need to hear that Sargon is just as big a pile of shit.

1. The left caving to neoliberals doesn't make economically left wing people think "Know what we need? A neoliberal with reactionary social policy.", because that simply doesn't make sense.

2. Meh.

3. Fair enough.

[Liriena]

https://youtu.be/gfOob-36OEo?t=1100

Nazi!
Oh my god! Nazi!
Sargon is a Nazi!

>Literally better than 99% of candidates, just like I said.

(you can use it as a screencap type thing, the relevant image is on screen.)

From 2015. I wonder where Sargon stands now, in 2019... Oh, right.

He's jerking himself off to the idea of Bolsonaro going full Pinochetist on Brazilian leftists.

Are you done?

[Ostroeuropa]

So basically even though he's been a racist fuckwit, the fact he's been pro-MRA and anti-Feminist means he is the new Jesus apparently.

He's not pro-MRM. He acknowledges a couple of mens issues as important, but rejects the movement because it is based around identity politics and he disapproves of that.

He's not Jesus either. Just a very good candidate relative to other candidates.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So basically even though he's been a racist fuckwit, the fact he's been pro-MRA and anti-Feminist means he is the new Jesus apparently.

He's not pro-MRM. He acknowledges a couple of mens issues as important, but rejects the movement because it is based around identity politics and he disapproves of that.

He's not Jesus either. Just a very good candidate relative to other candidates.

Ostro seeing nothing wrong with Sargon supporting Vichy Fascists confirmed.

[Ostroeuropa]

https://youtu.be/gfOob-36OEo?t=1100

Nazi!
Oh my god! Nazi!
Sargon is a Nazi!

>Literally better than 99% of candidates, just like I said.

(you can use it as a screencap type thing, the relevant image is on screen.)

From 2015. I wonder where Sargon stands now, in 2019... Oh, right.

He's jerking himself off to the idea of Bolsonaro going full Pinochetist on Brazilian leftists.

Are you done?

Do you honestly not see that he's mocking the notion that Brazil is going to open death camps for leftists?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

From 2015. I wonder where Sargon stands now, in 2019... Oh, right.

He's jerking himself off to the idea of Bolsonaro going full Pinochetist on Brazilian leftists.

Are you done?

Do you honestly not see that he's mocking the notion that Brazil is going to open death camps for leftists?

It's all a joke m8! ... and then 50 people dies in New Zealand.

[Ostroeuropa]

He's not pro-MRM. He acknowledges a couple of mens issues as important, but rejects the movement because it is based around identity politics and he disapproves of that.

He's not Jesus either. Just a very good candidate relative to other candidates.

Ostro seeing nothing wrong with Sargon supporting Vichy Fascists confirmed.

What actual policy positions do you think he's going to be bad at?

Because all this shite you guys are throwing out is what gives us the sterile empty suits that neoliberalism loves to sell people. I don't care if he's mean sometimes. I don't care if he discusses issues before a week long coaching session with PR people.

[Vassenor]

So basically even though he's been a racist fuckwit, the fact he's been pro-MRA and anti-Feminist means he is the new Jesus apparently.

He's not pro-MRM. He acknowledges a couple of mens issues as important, but rejects the movement because it is based around identity politics and he disapproves of that.

He's not Jesus either. Just a very good candidate relative to other candidates.

You literally called him pro-MRM earlier.

[Ostroeuropa]

He's not pro-MRM. He acknowledges a couple of mens issues as important, but rejects the movement because it is based around identity politics and he disapproves of that.

He's not Jesus either. Just a very good candidate relative to other candidates.

You literally called him pro-MRM earlier.

MRM sympathies /=/ Pro-MRM.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Ostro seeing nothing wrong with Sargon supporting Vichy Fascists confirmed.

What actual policy positions do you think he's going to be bad at?

Because all this shite you guys are throwing out is what gives us the sterile empty suits that neoliberalism loves to sell people.

So Sargon gets a pass on supporting Le Pen the unrepentant Vichy Fascist Dynasty as long as he's antiprogressive?

[Vassenor]

What actual policy positions do you think he's going to be bad at?

Because all this shite you guys are throwing out is what gives us the sterile empty suits that neoliberalism loves to sell people.

So Sargon gets a pass on supporting Le Pen the unrepentant Vichy Fascist Dynasty as long as he's antiprogressive?

And his involvement in the GG hate movement.

[Ostroeuropa]

What actual policy positions do you think he's going to be bad at?

Because all this shite you guys are throwing out is what gives us the sterile empty suits that neoliberalism loves to sell people.

So Sargon gets a pass on supporting Le Pen the unrepentant Vichy Fascist Dynasty as long as he's antiprogressive?

No, he gets a pass so long as his overall political stances are sound.

[Liriena]

Probably has more to do with the left wing caving in to neoliberals, but sure, whatever floats your "everything is social progressivism's fault" boat.


What "hysteria"?


First of all, don't try to psychoanalyze me. You're shit at it.

Second of all, congrats on once again projecting your prejudices on me. As fucking usual. What makes you think I have any less disdain towards Rees Mogg than Sargon? Rees Mogg is a reactionary cunt. You don't need me to tell you that. But you clearly do need to hear that Sargon is just as big a pile of shit.

1. The left caving to neoliberals doesn't make economically left wing people think "Know what we need? A neoliberal with reactionary social policy.", because that simply doesn't make sense.

People aren't always rational. The narrative they embrace doesn't need to make logical or empirical sense for them to embrace it. It doesn't even have to be consistent with their past experiences or worldviews. It just needs to be emotionally compelling. And you know what's always emotionally compelling in times of crisis? "Evil barbarians from abroad are coming to rape your cows and steal your women and that's why your job is gone and you're stressed all the time".

2. Meh.

Huh.

3. Fair enough.

Maybe next time you'll ask before you just assume that I embody every single prejudice you have against "progressives".

[Ostroeuropa]

So Sargon gets a pass on supporting Le Pen the unrepentant Vichy Fascist Dynasty as long as he's antiprogressive?

And his involvement in the GG hate movement.

GG isn't a hate movement

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So Sargon gets a pass on supporting Le Pen the unrepentant Vichy Fascist Dynasty as long as he's antiprogressive?

No, he gets a pass so long as his overall political stances are sound.

I eagerly await his proclamation that "Vidkun Quisling was a gud boi", and your defence of this heinous statement.