UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Ifreann]

But who back then would have thought that bribing the Ulster Medieval party wouldn't work out?

No reason as to why it oughn't to have.

In fact, I'd say it has worked out. May wanted to be kept and power and she has been. She isn't really accomplishing anything while in power, but she did get what she paid for.

[Fartsniffage]

No reason as to why it oughn't to have.

In fact, I'd say it has worked out. May wanted to be kept and power and she has been. She isn't really accomplishing anything while in power, but she did get what she paid for.

She hasn't paid for anything yet. The inability of the DUP to form a government in Stormont has seen to that.

[The Huskar Social Union]

In fact, I'd say it has worked out. May wanted to be kept and power and she has been. She isn't really accomplishing anything while in power, but she did get what she paid for.

She hasn't paid for anything yet. The inability of the DUP to form a government in Stormont has seen to that.

The DUP became king makers in westminster and this is the strongest the DUP has ever been in their history despite the losses in the last assembly election due to that influence they got in London. Why should they attempt to form a government when they had the Tories bent over a barrel get slammed by the ole pork cutlass?

[Uan aa Boa]

But who back then would have thought that bribing the Ulster Medieval party wouldn't work out?

No reason as to why it oughn't to have.

May secured a tiny majority with the help of a party that would turn out to be implacably opposed to the single defining initiative of her time in office. That doesn't suggest ideal planning. The bizarre thing is that before the referendum the campaign committee of Vote Leave included the DUP's Westminster leader and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland at a time where its chair was telling the media that leaving would entail a hard Irish border. It's hard to believe that this wasn't a problem the people involved saw coming, but it seems it was waved away with the assurance that everything would somehow be fine, just as we were supposed to believe that we'd get full access to the single market without having to follow its rules.

[The New California Republic]

She hasn't paid for anything yet. The inability of the DUP to form a government in Stormont has seen to that.

The DUP became king makers in westminster and this is the strongest the DUP has ever been in their history despite the losses in the last assembly election due to that influence they got in London. Why should they attempt to form a government when they had the Tories bent over a barrel get slammed by the ole pork cutlass?

"Give her the DUP?"

[The Huskar Social Union]

The DUP became king makers in westminster and this is the strongest the DUP has ever been in their history despite the losses in the last assembly election due to that influence they got in London. Why should they attempt to form a government when they had the Tories bent over a barrel get slammed by the ole pork cutlass?

"Give her the DUP?"

"Get her DUPed: The Theresa May Story"

[Thermodolia]

Brexit is over. At this point the EU is eventually going to demand that the UK revoke A50 in order to get an extension

That makes no sense, though. Revoking Article 50 means there is nothing to extend any more.

Well at the rate we are going the UK might as well revoke. Else they’ll be asking for an extension every year

[Souseiseki]

So basically at two minutes to midnight the leaders of the two largest parties in a hung parliament are finally going to sit down and see if there's an option they can both live with. Sounds like that would have been a pretty good plan immediately after that hung parliament was elected, but what do I know?

the tories have tried this before - they're basically just lying and have no real intent of reaching a compromise. it's just a PR thing so they can say "welp we tried" and then blame it on labour for not being compromisey enough.

2019: united kingdom
2025: united kingdon't

[Philjia]

So basically at two minutes to midnight the leaders of the two largest parties in a hung parliament are finally going to sit down and see if there's an option they can both live with. Sounds like that would have been a pretty good plan immediately after that hung parliament was elected, but what do I know?

the tories have tried this before - they're basically just lying and have no real intent of reaching a compromise. it's just a PR thing so they can say "welp we tried" and then blame it on labour for not being compromisey enough.

2019: united kingdom
2025: united kingdon't

2019: United Kingdom
2025: United Kingsub

[Fartsniffage]

the tories have tried this before - they're basically just lying and have no real intent of reaching a compromise. it's just a PR thing so they can say "welp we tried" and then blame it on labour for not being compromisey enough.

2019: united kingdom
2025: united kingdon't

2019: United Kingdom
2025: United Kingsub

And all the Torys just love you.... It'll be like old days for them.

"Thank you teacher, may I have another...."

[Ostroeuropa]

As a new argument for requiring a supermajority, there are around 10% of the country who have literally no fucking idea what they're doing, consistently on almost every issue.

They're the donkey voting "Strongly agree" folk. You can get them to say; "Divorce should not be made too easy so couples are encouraged to stay together", as well as "Divorce should be as quick and easy as possible", and all kinds of other shit.

Why is this relevant?

Well, if you poll on the issue of the EU by framing the question two different ways, where a positive response means staying, then a positive response means leaving, you get...

55% of people agreed that Britain should remain a full member of the EU. 55% of people also agreed that Britain should leave the EU. In other words, at least 10% of the same respondents agreed both that Britain should remain AND leave.

(10% is also the number of people in the divorce survey who responded that way.).

It also makes the battle over the phrasing of referendum questions much more important.

This is why polling should, ideally, frame a question both ways and publish both results before we take it seriously. When an issue is framed consistently in a manner where as positive response indicates a particular political stance, it will be overrepresented in polls.

It's difficult to call this a polling error per se, since if the political discussion ends up framed a particular way then the donkey voters will in fact vote a particular way.

"Should Britain leave the EU?" Getting 55% isn't an erorr. But framing the discussion that way impacts the result since if you instead asked "Should Britain stay in the EU?" means that 10% will answer "Yes" no matter what. It's revealing of an underlying problem, which is that in edge call issues where the country is divided, the people who control the media and get to frame the issues will decide the outcome by how they phrase a question. It's only on issues where a supermajority feels a particular way that this won't determine the result.

Makes Democracy feel kind of pointless tbh.

[Fartsniffage]

As a new argument for requiring a supermajority, there are around 10% of the country who have literally no fucking idea what they're doing, consistently on almost every issue.

They're the donkey voting "Strongly agree" folk. You can get them to say; "Divorce should not be made too easy so couples are encouraged to stay together", as well as "Divorce should be as quick and easy as possible", and all kinds of other shit.

Why is this relevant?

Well, if you poll on the issue of the EU by framing the question two different ways, where a positive response means staying, then a positive response means leaving, you get...

55% of people agreed that Britain should remain a full member of the EU. 55% of people also agreed that Britain should leave the EU. In other words, at least 10% of the same respondents agreed both that Britain should remain AND leave.

(10% is also the number of people in the divorce survey who responded that way.).

It also makes the battle over the phrasing of referendum questions much more important.

This is why polling should, ideally, frame a question both ways and publish both results before we take it seriously. When an issue is framed consistently in a manner where as positive response indicates a particular political stance, it will be overrepresented in polls.

It's difficult to call this a polling error per se, since if the political discussion ends up framed a particular way then the donkey voters will in fact vote a particular way.

"Should Britain leave the EU?" Getting 55% isn't an erorr. But framing the discussion that way impacts the result since if you instead asked "Should Britain stay in the EU?" means that 10% will answer "Yes" no matter what. It's revealing of an underlying problem, which is that in edge call issues where the country is divided, the people who control the media and get to frame the issues will decide the outcome by how they phrase a question. It's only on issues where a supermajority feels a particular way that this won't determine the result.

Makes Democracy feel kind of pointless tbh.

So you've just realised that people as a whole are stupid. Well done.

[Novus America]

As a new argument for requiring a supermajority, there are around 10% of the country who have literally no fucking idea what they're doing, consistently on almost every issue.

They're the donkey voting "Strongly agree" folk. You can get them to say; "Divorce should not be made too easy so couples are encouraged to stay together", as well as "Divorce should be as quick and easy as possible", and all kinds of other shit.

Why is this relevant?

Well, if you poll on the issue of the EU by framing the question two different ways, where a positive response means staying, then a positive response means leaving, you get...



(10% is also the number of people in the divorce survey who responded that way.).

It also makes the battle over the phrasing of referendum questions much more important.

This is why polling should, ideally, frame a question both ways and publish both results before we take it seriously. When an issue is framed consistently in a manner where as positive response indicates a particular political stance, it will be overrepresented in polls.

It's difficult to call this a polling error per se, since if the political discussion ends up framed a particular way then the donkey voters will in fact vote a particular way.

"Should Britain leave the EU?" Getting 55% isn't an erorr. But framing the discussion that way impacts the result since if you instead asked "Should Britain stay in the EU?" means that 10% will answer "Yes" no matter what. It's revealing of an underlying problem, which is that in edge call issues where the country is divided, the people who control the media and get to frame the issues will decide the outcome by how they phrase a question. It's only on issues where a supermajority feels a particular way that this won't determine the result.

Makes Democracy feel kind of pointless tbh.

So you've just realised that people as a whole are stupid. Well done.

Well your Parliament truly represents the will of the people at least...

[Ostroeuropa]

As a new argument for requiring a supermajority, there are around 10% of the country who have literally no fucking idea what they're doing, consistently on almost every issue.

They're the donkey voting "Strongly agree" folk. You can get them to say; "Divorce should not be made too easy so couples are encouraged to stay together", as well as "Divorce should be as quick and easy as possible", and all kinds of other shit.

Why is this relevant?

Well, if you poll on the issue of the EU by framing the question two different ways, where a positive response means staying, then a positive response means leaving, you get...



(10% is also the number of people in the divorce survey who responded that way.).

It also makes the battle over the phrasing of referendum questions much more important.

This is why polling should, ideally, frame a question both ways and publish both results before we take it seriously. When an issue is framed consistently in a manner where as positive response indicates a particular political stance, it will be overrepresented in polls.

It's difficult to call this a polling error per se, since if the political discussion ends up framed a particular way then the donkey voters will in fact vote a particular way.

"Should Britain leave the EU?" Getting 55% isn't an erorr. But framing the discussion that way impacts the result since if you instead asked "Should Britain stay in the EU?" means that 10% will answer "Yes" no matter what. It's revealing of an underlying problem, which is that in edge call issues where the country is divided, the people who control the media and get to frame the issues will decide the outcome by how they phrase a question. It's only on issues where a supermajority feels a particular way that this won't determine the result.

Makes Democracy feel kind of pointless tbh.

So you've just realised that people as a whole are stupid. Well done.

I didn't realize the effect was so pronounced as to make politics feel kind of pointless. 10% is a huge amount.

[Ifreann]

In fact, I'd say it has worked out. May wanted to be kept and power and she has been. She isn't really accomplishing anything while in power, but she did get what she paid for.

She hasn't paid for anything yet. The inability of the DUP to form a government in Stormont has seen to that.

The money is, presumably, resting in someone's account.

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the tories have tried this before - they're basically just lying and have no real intent of reaching a compromise. it's just a PR thing so they can say "welp we tried" and then blame it on labour for not being compromisey enough.

2019: united kingdom
2025: united kingdon't

2019: United Kingdom
2025: United Kingsub

These bantz 2lwed4UK

[Valrifell]

So you've just realised that people as a whole are stupid. Well done.

I didn't realize the effect was so pronounced as to make politics feel kind of pointless. 10% is a huge amount.

A lot of people don't play close enough attention to certain issues to care, unless they're in the moment and the issue is framed positively.

[Hardholm]

Lol @ the poll results

"Just keep voting until you get the right result!"

Democracy at work, as per usual.

[Fartsniffage]

So you've just realised that people as a whole are stupid. Well done.

I didn't realize the effect was so pronounced as to make politics feel kind of pointless. 10% is a huge amount.

Just remember the bananas. Then you'll understand.

[Valrifell]

Lol @ the poll results

"Just keep voting until you get the right result!"

Democracy at work, as per usual.

Just like May's deal.

The whole ideal of the referendum is giving the people control over political processes. After the original vote to leave, the people were never again consulted on where to take Brexit, either through a general election or referendum.

[Fartsniffage]

Lol @ the poll results

"Just keep voting until you get the right result!"

Democracy at work, as per usual.

Yes. How dare people want to have a say in what happens in their country.

[Heloin]

Lol @ the poll results

"Just keep voting until you get the right result!"

Democracy at work, as per usual.

I don't understand the opinion that a 2nd referendum is impossible or in some way going against public will. The call for a referendum now is more popular now then the call for the call for the first referendum ever was in the first place.

[Souseiseki]

Lol @ the poll results

"Just keep voting until you get the right result!"

Democracy at work, as per usual.

lol the prime minister literally wants 4 votes on the same deal

[Valrifell]

Lol @ the poll results

"Just keep voting until you get the right result!"

Democracy at work, as per usual.

I don't understand the opinion that a 2nd referendum is impossible or in some way going against public will. The call for a referendum now is more popular now then the call for the call for the first referendum ever was in the first place.

A hypothetical second referendum wouldn't have the popular mandate because the only popular will is the will that the Tories agree with.

[Hardholm]

*the Left beating a drum*

"Just. Keep. Voting. Til. We. Get. The. Correct. Response."

Nevermind that "revoke article 50 without a referendum" is literally the second most voted response, and I have no doubt that a second "Leave" response wouldn't satiate any of those desperate to cuck themselves to a globalist agenda.

[Valrifell]

*the Left beating a drum*

"Just. Keep. Voting. Til. We. Get. The. Correct. Response."

Nevermind that "revoke article 50 without a referendum" is literally the second most voted response, and I have no doubt that a second "Leave" response wouldn't satiate any of those desperate to cuck themselves to a globalist agenda.

Bruh