UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

Exactly what would such a law do? Halt the progression of linear time? Because there doesn't seem like there'd be any other way to prevent no deal with Parliament refusing to agree to any deal.

Just guessing but I suppose it will say that if no deal is reached before April 12th Article 50 is revoked.

Then it won't get passed in Parliament, as every other A50 revocation vote.

Even Caroline Flint would sooner see no deal than have her name on Ayes for revoking Brexit.

What hope do you have for revoking A50 in any circumstance when people like Flint vote against Boles' customs union because it does not stop freedom of movement?
https://twitter.com/CarolineFlintMP/sta ... 6200524800

[Munkchester]

Ok, well fair enough. But God aside I think that constant casual sex especially outside the realms of a relationship with children or children otherwise incoming cheapens such relationships and leads to excessive hedonism.
Sex without procreation as far as my faith is concerned is wrong.

And we can tell how seriously you take that particular tenet of the Catholic faith by the litany of excuses you recite at the slightest prompting. "We're all sinners", "It just happens by accident", "At least it's heteronormative".

It really shouldn't be difficult for you to extend this moral flexibility to men who have sex with men.

Gaul or Loegria or Michael Portillo 2 doesn't really have much ground to stand on there either

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

How progressive - letting Abbott understand.

Oof. You've just quite impressively rendered Greater Loegria the second most bigoted person on this page.

Remember, we live in a post-racism society and anyone who complains about discrimination is just a snowflake SJW.

[Ifreann]

Exactly what would such a law do? Halt the progression of linear time? Because there doesn't seem like there'd be any other way to prevent no deal with Parliament refusing to agree to any deal.

Just guessing but I suppose it will say that if no deal is reached before April 12th Article 50 is revoked.

Ahah, trick them into revoking Article 50 by attaching it to the only thing they've agreed to so far, ruling out no deal.

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Oof. You've just quite impressively rendered Greater Loegria the second most bigoted person on this page.

Remember, we live in a post-racism society and anyone who complains about discrimination is just a snowflake SJW.

A sjwflake, if you will.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Just guessing but I suppose it will say that if no deal is reached before April 12th Article 50 is revoked.

Ahah, trick them into revoking Article 50 by attaching it to the only thing they've agreed to so far, ruling out no deal.

Reuters are saying it would force May to seek a longer delay, rather than revoke A50. Not sure the EU would accept that without a big price.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47789298

[Bombadil]

This is essentially what you get when a 1/3 want to remain, a 1/3 want a compromise and 1/3 want no deal, 2/3's don't want a No Deal and 2/3's don't want to remain.. and you're trying to get 51%.

May should go, not for any other reason than I question her sanity in staying. Amazing how Cameron seemed to manage it.

[The Archregimancy]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I have the solution...

"Whoso pulleth out this sword from this stone and anvil is the true born King of all Britain"

Sir Hector, Sir Bors, Sir Bladwain and Sir Bleoboris, the only surviving Knights of the Round Table, ended their days after a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. Soon after the Saxons conquered all of Britain, and the realm of Loegr was over. Many believed that Arthur would return to re-establish the Holy realm of hope and save Britain in the hour of its deadliest danger.

About the year 1200 the monks of Glastonbury discovered the bones of Arthur buried near to those of Guinevere. Beneath the coffin a stone remained and there a cross bore the Latin inscription "Here lies King Arthur in his tomb, with Guinevere, his wife, in the Isle of Avalon"

I propose an archaeological excavation of Arthur's grave at Glastonbury.

With Arthur's mortal remains recovered, I shall work with geneticists to clone the Once and Future King.

Arthur will then be given control of the Brexit process, and singlehandedly save Britain in the hour of its deadliest danger.

This requires postponing Article 50 until such time as Arthur can be recovered, cloned, and then brought up to speed on the current political situation in the United Kingdom.

I know that this may seem to be a complex approach, and may founder on the issue of Arthur's historicity, but I submit that it's no less realistic than most of the plans currently before Parliament.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Is my maths right that if three more Tory MPs become independents, May loses her majority even with the DUP?

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

Oof. You've just quite impressively rendered Greater Loegria the second most bigoted person on this page.

Remember, we live in a post-racism society and anyone who complains about discrimination is just a snowflake SJW.

>criticising anyone who is black is now racism

remember cis white men, you can only criticise other ciswhites.

[The Blaatschapen]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I have the solution...

"Whoso pulleth out this sword from this stone and anvil is the true born King of all Britain"

Sir Hector, Sir Bors, Sir Bladwain and Sir Bleoboris, the only surviving Knights of the Round Table, ended their days after a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. Soon after the Saxons conquered all of Britain, and the realm of Loegr was over. Many believed that Arthur would return to re-establish the Holy realm of hope and save Britain in the hour of its deadliest danger.

About the year 1200 the monks of Glastonbury discovered the bones of Arthur buried near to those of Guinevere. Beneath the coffin a stone remained and there a cross bore the Latin inscription "Here lies King Arthur in his tomb, with Guinevere, his wife, in the Isle of Avalon"

I propose an archaeological excavation of Arthur's grave at Glastonbury.

With Arthur's mortal remains recovered, I shall work with geneticists to clone the Once and Future King.

Arthur will then be given control of the Brexit process, and singlehandedly save Britain in the hour of its deadliest danger.

This requires postponing Article 50 until such time as Arthur can be recovered, cloned, and then brought up to speed on the current political situation in the United Kingdom.

I know that this may seem to be a complex approach, and may founder on the issue of Arthur's historicity, but I submit that it's no less realistic than most of the plans currently before Parliament.

What if Arthur doesn't want to?

https://xkcd.com/1521/

[The Blaatschapen]

Is my maths right that if three more Tory MPs become independents, May loses her majority even with the DUP?

As long as the vote of confidence still goes her way, does it even matter?

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

Is my maths right that if three more Tory MPs become independents, May loses her majority even with the DUP?

643 voting MPs = 322 for majority.

Currently there's 313 Tories and 10 DUP, so she only needs to lose 1 more member to lose a working parliamentary majority.

Although she would need to lose 2 more to lose a vote of no confidence, assuming the Speaker upholds the 150-year-old convention of voting in favour of status quo in tie breaks.

[Greater Loegria]

Is my maths right that if three more Tory MPs become independents, May loses her majority even with the DUP?

643 voting MPs = 322 for majority.

Currently there's 313 Tories and 10 DUP, so she only needs to lose 1 more member to lose a working parliamentary majority.

Dear help us.

[The Janglanas Islands]

Honestly! What a shitting shambles in Parliament last night. They can't decide want they want! It's like being given a cake divided equally, and not being able to decide which piece you want!

As for Corbyn, all he's on about is a f**king general election, and then he thinks money grows on trees!

What has our country become.

[Ifreann]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I have the solution...

"Whoso pulleth out this sword from this stone and anvil is the true born King of all Britain"

Sir Hector, Sir Bors, Sir Bladwain and Sir Bleoboris, the only surviving Knights of the Round Table, ended their days after a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. Soon after the Saxons conquered all of Britain, and the realm of Loegr was over. Many believed that Arthur would return to re-establish the Holy realm of hope and save Britain in the hour of its deadliest danger.

About the year 1200 the monks of Glastonbury discovered the bones of Arthur buried near to those of Guinevere. Beneath the coffin a stone remained and there a cross bore the Latin inscription "Here lies King Arthur in his tomb, with Guinevere, his wife, in the Isle of Avalon"

I propose an archaeological excavation of Arthur's grave at Glastonbury.

With Arthur's mortal remains recovered, I shall work with geneticists to clone the Once and Future King.

Arthur will then be given control of the Brexit process, and singlehandedly save Britain in the hour of its deadliest danger.

This requires postponing Article 50 until such time as Arthur can be recovered, cloned, and then brought up to speed on the current political situation in the United Kingdom.

I know that this may seem to be a complex approach, and may founder on the issue of Arthur's historicity, but I submit that it's no less realistic than most of the plans currently before Parliament.

Best idea I've heard in about three years. Maybe longer.

[Hurdergaryp]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I have the solution...

"Whoso pulleth out this sword from this stone and anvil is the true born King of all Britain"

Sir Hector, Sir Bors, Sir Bladwain and Sir Bleoboris, the only surviving Knights of the Round Table, ended their days after a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. Soon after the Saxons conquered all of Britain, and the realm of Loegr was over. Many believed that Arthur would return to re-establish the Holy realm of hope and save Britain in the hour of its deadliest danger.

About the year 1200 the monks of Glastonbury discovered the bones of Arthur buried near to those of Guinevere. Beneath the coffin a stone remained and there a cross bore the Latin inscription "Here lies King Arthur in his tomb, with Guinevere, his wife, in the Isle of Avalon"

I propose an archaeological excavation of Arthur's grave at Glastonbury.

With Arthur's mortal remains recovered, I shall work with geneticists to clone the Once and Future King.

Arthur will then be given control of the Brexit process, and singlehandedly save Britain in the hour of its deadliest danger.

This requires postponing Article 50 until such time as Arthur can be recovered, cloned, and then brought up to speed on the current political situation in the United Kingdom.

I know that this may seem to be a complex approach, and may founder on the issue of Arthur's historicity, but I submit that it's no less realistic than most of the plans currently before Parliament.

Best idea I've heard in about three years. Maybe longer.

Even though The Archregimancy certainly makes a compelling point, also consider the Thai solution to political instability: let the Army take over until the Parliament can be trusted again.

[Old Tyrannia]

Best idea I've heard in about three years. Maybe longer.

Even though The Archregimancy certainly makes a compelling point, also consider the Thai solution to political instability: let the Army take over until the Parliament can be trusted again.

So it's the second coming of King Arthur or the second coming of Oliver Cromwell? Let's ask Parliament to vote on it tomorrow, and throw nuking ourselves into the mix as well.

[Dresderstan]

Even though The Archregimancy certainly makes a compelling point, also consider the Thai solution to political instability: let the Army take over until the Parliament can be trusted again.

So it's the second coming of King Arthur or the second coming of Oliver Cromwell? Let's ask Parliament to vote on it tomorrow, and throw nuking ourselves into the mix as well.

Idea, put Prince Harry in charge of Parliament.

[Greater Loegria]

Best idea I've heard in about three years. Maybe longer.

Even though The Archregimancy certainly makes a compelling point, also consider the Thai solution to political instability: let the Army take over until the Parliament can be trusted again.

I ought not to say this probably but yes, let's.

[Souseiseki]

Just guessing but I suppose it will say that if no deal is reached before April 12th Article 50 is revoked.

Then it won't get passed in Parliament, as every other A50 revocation vote.

Even Caroline Flint would sooner see no deal than have her name on Ayes for revoking Brexit.

What hope do you have for revoking A50 in any circumstance when people like Flint vote against Boles' customs union because it does not stop freedom of movement?
https://twitter.com/CarolineFlintMP/sta ... 6200524800

ending freedom of movement is dumb, the leavers decision to go "everyone voted to end freedom of movement!" was dumb and everyone's decision to uncritically accept that assertion was dumb. polls consistently show with irish reunification, scottish independence and leaving the EU that given the choice between these things and £1,000 half of the people that want them will take the £1,000 so people aren't as diehard anti freedom of movement as people would believe. with all things brexit, they've fucked themselves.

e: also, revoking article 50 is our nuclear option in a revoke vs no deal scenario. pretty sure labour didn't say they were going to catapult us out with no deal either, in fact, i'm pretty sure they said the opposite. the fact it's even being remotely discussed is due to how badly brexit has been fucked up.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Even though The Archregimancy certainly makes a compelling point, also consider the Thai solution to political instability: let the Army take over until the Parliament can be trusted again.

A bunch of dim Ruperts wouldn't be any better than what we have.

[Hurdergaryp]

[Souseiseki]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ket-access

i am so fucking annoyed

Leave voters would be evenly split if the government tried to keep full access to the single market in exchange for allowing a version of free movement that limited welfare benefits for new arrivals.

i think this is already legal.

Asked to consider a system where EU migrants were sent home if they did not find work, 55% of leave voters said they would be satisfied with this, versus only 25% who would be unhappy.

this is 100% definitely legal, in that we can send people home if they can't find work and they cannot support themselves financially.

“Our polling shows that a huge majority of people across the country support freedom of movement if they too can keep their own rights to live, work and study abroad,” said its chief executive, Eloise Todd. “The picture is much more nuanced than the government has portrayed, with clear support for some limitations on freedom of movement that are already within the government’s control.”

yes this basically

if you present freedom of movement to people without calling it freedom of movement then the majority of the british public think it's actually quite a cool idea. this is something that, to my knowledge, has not actually changed throughout the brexit debate. the solution for our current brexit problem is to basically just pretend we've secured radical changes to freedom of movement to placate the brexiters (which would work, based on polling) while actually staying within the EU's current model of freedom of movement (to placate the EU) by using mechanisms that the UK govenment has thus far refused to use (because they are incompetent idiot liars and half of brexit is their own fault for fucking up and blaming it on the EU). and it would probably work as well.

the biggest danger is that leavers, having been effectively tricked into thinking they're getting something radical and new, might think they've secured some great victory against the EU and think their absolutely god awful negotiating with the UK and the EU for the past three years actually worked. alternatively, leavers and remainers could discover our clever little trick and oppose it - leavers opposing something they basically support because "we demand change" and remainers opposing something they basically support because "we must respect whatever the leave campaign tells us is the will of the people this week". this is an entirely plausible scenario because we live in hellworld at current.

i think i've said all this before, but i guess i've just said it again because nothing has changed. and this all works back into what i was saying about how remainers and not even leavers really want to completely end freedom of movement like the hard brexit ideologues said they did, and it was a stunningly poor move to allow them to dominate the narrative like they did.

[Hurdergaryp]

Even though The Archregimancy certainly makes a compelling point, also consider the Thai solution to political instability: let the Army take over until the Parliament can be trusted again.

A bunch of dim Ruperts wouldn't be any better than what we have.

But also it wouldn't be worse, which makes it something to be considered.

[Caracasus]

A bunch of dim Ruperts wouldn't be any better than what we have.

But also it wouldn't be worse, which makes it something to be considered.

No, it could be worse. I mean, at the moment people aren't rioting. Plus, the army would still have to sort out Brexit.