UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

So Liam Fox is going to apologise to Ivanka for the leaked diplomatic emails. Is he admitting guilt?

My guess would be it was someone in Boris's camp trying to embarrass and undermine Jeremy Hunt.

[Vassenor]

Also looks like Richard Bacon is getting brigaded on Twitter because he criticised Farage and Co and the snowflake squad can't take it.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Also looks like Richard Bacon is getting brigaded on Twitter because he criticised Farage and Co and the snowflake squad can't take it.

This is what happens if you have any degree of profile and you express a political or social opinion on twitter that is even moderately controversial. Or even if you don't have much of a profile but the comment gets shared a bit.

People imagine themselves as soldiers in some grand discourse war and that any degree of being a cunt is justified by the grand cause. It is awfully cringe. I miss the old days when LARP was only done by nerds with wooden swords at weekends.

[Hirota]

Perhaps before leaping to judgement about something of which you know absolutely nothing, you should wait until the platform is released? It's vastly different from that of ukip under Farage, as the Brexit party takes its support from many wings of British politics.

i have seen zero evidence that the brexit party's base is not mostly UKIP voters and disillusioned conservative voters. perhaps that's what you meant? another party rebranding to attract conservatives after UKIP again tragically had its reputation ruined due to various scandals?

Since they've only stood in one election it's pretty difficult to say with any certainty what their party base is, so this probably unverifiable (and therefore we shouldn't make conclusions at this stage) but here you go.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... bers_w.pdf

In a survey of labour party members, 4% of them voted for the Brexit party instead of Labour in the European elections.

Common sense dictates that would higher for people not enamoured with Labour as to become members, but still core voters who would by default vote Labour.

EDIT: Ah, I knew I had seen evidence of that! https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... brexit-pro

Specifically this part:


But yes, that probably is still a small portion than those who traditionally voted for the tories or UKIP in the past.

[Ifreann]

So Liam Fox is going to apologise to Ivanka for the leaked diplomatic emails. Is he admitting guilt?

My guess would be it was someone in Boris's camp trying to embarrass and undermine Jeremy Hunt.

Why would he apologise to Ivanka? The President's daughter/mistress isn't a political figure of any consequence.

[Duhon]

A report on the far-right has said that basically the reason the far-right is surging across the world is that almost nobody except the far-right is engaged in theoretical discussion, thought generation, argument generation and so on, on the issues of migration, because everyone else has been terrorized into silence on the topic and doesn't talk about it beyond repeating the same tired and failing nonsense in order to avoid being called racist.

It doesn't matter that the far-rights discourse is shite, it's still a discourse, and thus driving the discussion. On the other side there is no discourse, only thought terminating maxims and cliches alongside vilifying anyone who tries to actually start a discourse.

Like if our entire discussion of the economy was between a bunch of highly aggressive and abusive people who just screamed in your face that you're a fucking Nazi, tried to get you fired, threatened you with violence and so on, if you didn't just bleat "capitalism good. work harder. capitalism good." over and over, and on the other side was;

"All these problems? Jews. You see those low wages? Jews. Here's the mechanism by which they do it.".

The latter begins to dominate thought on the topic and discussion of it, because the former is not an actual discourse, but a demand for the total absence of one.

That the far-right talks about migration doesn't mean that "everyone else has been "terrified into silence" by the "tired and failing nonsense" on the issue -- that just means they both have the virtue of novelty and have the backing of people now entrenching themselves in power and are using the rhetoric and politics of tribalism to divvy up their nations, making it easier for them to govern in pieces.

Also, yes, you cannot be against xenophobia and yet be for policies that would promote said xenophobia or at least penalize foreigners for their foreignness, over and above any quality they may happen to have or not have.

[Duhon]

Please, stop this bullshit of referring to things without fucking linking to them.

https://www.isdglobal.org/wp-content/up ... by-ISD.pdf

The far right is able to take ownership of the ‘grey zone’ around contentious issues like migration because politicians and society are less willing to take on the role of thought leaders in these areas for fear of public outcry and outrage

In your mind that means "if they spoke far-right they'd have the votes", because of course.

[Dumb Ideologies]

A report on the far-right has said that basically the reason the far-right is surging across the world is that almost nobody except the far-right is engaged in theoretical discussion, thought generation, argument generation and so on, on the issues of migration, because everyone else has been terrorized into silence on the topic and doesn't talk about it beyond repeating the same tired and failing nonsense in order to avoid being called racist.

It doesn't matter that the far-rights discourse is shite, it's still a discourse, and thus driving the discussion. On the other side there is no discourse, only thought terminating maxims and cliches alongside vilifying anyone who tries to actually start a discourse.

Like if our entire discussion of the economy was between a bunch of highly aggressive and abusive people who just screamed in your face that you're a fucking Nazi, tried to get you fired, threatened you with violence and so on, if you didn't just bleat "capitalism good. work harder. capitalism good." over and over, and on the other side was;

"All these problems? Jews. You see those low wages? Jews. Here's the mechanism by which they do it.".

The latter begins to dominate thought on the topic and discussion of it, because the former is not an actual discourse, but a demand for the total absence of one.

That the far-right talks about migration doesn't mean that "everyone else has been "terrified into silence" by the "tired and failing nonsense" on the issue -- that just means they both have the virtue of novelty and have the backing of people now entrenching themselves in power and are using the rhetoric and politics of tribalism to divvy up their nations, making it easier for them to govern in pieces.

Also, yes, you cannot be against xenophobia and yet be for policies that would promote said xenophobia or at least penalize foreigners for their foreignness, over and above any quality they may happen to have or not have.

You can, however, be against xenophobia and in favour of pro-integration policies rather than self-segregating multiculturalism which widens racial divides.

[Duhon]

That the far-right talks about migration doesn't mean that "everyone else has been "terrified into silence" by the "tired and failing nonsense" on the issue -- that just means they both have the virtue of novelty and have the backing of people now entrenching themselves in power and are using the rhetoric and politics of tribalism to divvy up their nations, making it easier for them to govern in pieces.

Also, yes, you cannot be against xenophobia and yet be for policies that would promote said xenophobia or at least penalize foreigners for their foreignness, over and above any quality they may happen to have or not have.

You can, however, be against xenophobia and in favour of pro-integration policies rather than self-segregating multiculturalism which widens racial divides.

I see nothing wrong with that in principle, despite my own inclination to live and let live. My pique is with the emphasis.

[Dumb Ideologies]

You can, however, be against xenophobia and in favour of pro-integration policies rather than self-segregating multiculturalism which widens racial divides.

I see nothing wrong with that in principle, despite my own inclination to live and let live. My pique is with the emphasis.

Ostro is a good egg. He often says this stuff because he's jumped on for "dogwhistling" for more extreme positions he doesn't hold. He wants less of a dogpiling and screechy response because he doesn't want to get jumped on for things he hasn't even said, not because he's trying to increase opportunities for far-right opinions he secretly holds.

[Ifreann]

The idea that the far-right are the only ones having discussions about migration issues is like saying that Saiwania is the only one discussing labour rights. No one else is interested in enslaving people again, just like no one outside the far-right is interested in banning foreigners. Taking an extreme position and finding that almost everyone rejects your proposals outright doesn't mean that they are all mindless sheep are you are the only one generating thoughts.

[Hurdergaryp]

The idea that the far-right are the only ones having discussions about migration issues is like saying that Saiwania is the only one discussing labour rights. No one else is interested in enslaving people again, just like no one outside the far-right is interested in banning foreigners. Taking an extreme position and finding that almost everyone rejects your proposals outright doesn't mean that they are all mindless sheep are you are the only one generating thoughts.

How dare you deny the woke their redpilled glory? How DARE you?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Ugh, really? Alright, that's enough Internet for today.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I wonder if Gavin Williamson was the leaker this time as well. He would have had access as Defence Secretary, he has nothing to lose as he fucked his career leaking before, he is known to like scheming, and he is a Boris supporter.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Kate Hooey not standing in the next general election. Good.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48909477

[The Huskar Social Union]

Kate Hooey not standing in the next general election. Good.

Wonder if she will defect to nigel farage's fan club

[5 kingdoms of Britannia]

Kate Hooey not standing in the next general election. Good.

Wonder if she will defect to nigel farage's fan club

UKIP the only part that wants freedom of speech... O GAWD what have we done

[Nakena]

Also, yes, you cannot be against xenophobia and yet be for policies that would promote said xenophobia or at least penalize foreigners for their foreignness, over and above any quality they may happen to have or not have.

You can however be against letting people into the country who ultimatively follow ideologies or intentions that are inherently totalitarian in nature. Specifically fundamentalist Islam. In fact the Home Office keeps banning people they consider to be a threat to public safety.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Wonder if she will defect to nigel farage's fan club

UKIP the only part that wants freedom of speech... O GAWD what have we done

Well i meant the brexit party, so i guess Nigel Farage's Fan Club Part 2.

[Bear Stearns]

How do we bring back the shipbuilding industry in Belfast and make fox hunting legal again?

[Ifreann]

How do we bring back the shipbuilding industry in Belfast and make fox hunting legal again?

I'd recommend a time machine.

[Vassenor]

Wonder if she will defect to nigel farage's fan club

UKIP the only part that wants freedom of speech... O GAWD what have we done

Excuse me?

[The Free Joy State]

How do we bring back the shipbuilding industry in Belfast and make fox hunting legal again?

I'd recommend a time machine.

I'm sure Jacob Rees-Mogg has a team working on that as we speak.

[Bear Stearns]

How do we bring back the shipbuilding industry in Belfast and make fox hunting legal again?

I'd recommend a time machine.

I also forgot: how's the progress coming along on removing papist influence from the UK?

[Ifreann]

I'd recommend a time machine.

I'm sure Jacob Rees-Mogg has a team working on that as we speak.

They're working on repairing the one that brought Rees-Mogg to the 21st century.