UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Souseiseki]

You mean apart from all of the racist, anti-abortion, anti-gender equality, zero-tolerance on drugs, climate change denying, pro-homeopathy, anti-LGBT-rights, pro-death penalty anti-age-equality scumbags running the party? Not much, really.

Going to need some sauce for all that spice.

as a throwback to the previous page, they're a common sense party ran by older conservative leaning people with a very specific view of what "common sense" means. if you don't think PC has gone too far and we should hang the pedos then you are in the wrong party.

note: it should be assumed that the brexit party inherits its policy positions and manifesto from UKIP much like it inherited pretty much everyone else, because otherwise "magic party that appeared out no where with no stances on anything" is not meaningful

[Fartsniffage]

You mean apart from all of the racist, anti-abortion, anti-gender equality, zero-tolerance on drugs, climate change denying, pro-homeopathy, anti-LGBT-rights, pro-death penalty anti-age-equality scumbags running the party? Not much, really.

Going to need some sauce for all that spice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Widdecombe

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Going to need some sauce for all that spice.

as a throwback to the previous page, they're a common sense party ran by older conservative leaning people with a very specific view of what "common sense" means. if you don't think PC has gone too far and we should hang the pedos then you are in the wrong party.

note: it should be assumed that the brexit party inherits its policy positions and manifesto from UKIP much like it inherited pretty much everyone else, because otherwise "magic party that appeared out no where with no stances on anything" is not meaningful

Perhaps before leaping to judgement about something of which you know absolutely nothing, you should wait until the platform is released? It's vastly different from that of ukip under Farage, as the Brexit party takes its support from many wings of British politics.

[Hurdergaryp]

as a throwback to the previous page, they're a common sense party ran by older conservative leaning people with a very specific view of what "common sense" means. if you don't think PC has gone too far and we should hang the pedos then you are in the wrong party.

note: it should be assumed that the brexit party inherits its policy positions and manifesto from UKIP much like it inherited pretty much everyone else, because otherwise "magic party that appeared out no where with no stances on anything" is not meaningful

Perhaps before leaping to judgement about something of which you know absolutely nothing, you should wait until the platform is released? It's vastly different from that of ukip under Farage, as the Brexit party takes its support from many wings of British politics.

It is known who the people behind the Brexit party are, their past deeds speak for themselves.

[Vassenor]

as a throwback to the previous page, they're a common sense party ran by older conservative leaning people with a very specific view of what "common sense" means. if you don't think PC has gone too far and we should hang the pedos then you are in the wrong party.

note: it should be assumed that the brexit party inherits its policy positions and manifesto from UKIP much like it inherited pretty much everyone else, because otherwise "magic party that appeared out no where with no stances on anything" is not meaningful

Perhaps before leaping to judgement about something of which you know absolutely nothing, you should wait until the platform is released? It's vastly different from that of ukip under Farage, as the Brexit party takes its support from many wings of British politics.

Uh-huh. Prove it.

[Souseiseki]

as a throwback to the previous page, they're a common sense party ran by older conservative leaning people with a very specific view of what "common sense" means. if you don't think PC has gone too far and we should hang the pedos then you are in the wrong party.

note: it should be assumed that the brexit party inherits its policy positions and manifesto from UKIP much like it inherited pretty much everyone else, because otherwise "magic party that appeared out no where with no stances on anything" is not meaningful

Perhaps before leaping to judgement about something of which you know absolutely nothing, you should wait until the platform is released? It's vastly different from that of ukip under Farage, as the Brexit party takes its support from many wings of British politics.

i have seen zero evidence that the brexit party's base is not mostly UKIP voters and disillusioned conservative voters. perhaps that's what you meant? another party rebranding to attract conservatives after UKIP again tragically had its reputation ruined due to various scandals?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Perhaps before leaping to judgement about something of which you know absolutely nothing, you should wait until the platform is released? It's vastly different from that of ukip under Farage, as the Brexit party takes its support from many wings of British politics.

Uh-huh. Prove it.

I'm not releasing information I'm not legally allowed to release for you.

[Souseiseki]

Uh-huh. Prove it.

I'm not releasing information I'm not legally allowed to release for you.

you have enough public polling regarding party defections and make up to reasonably make your case. we know where the labour, conservative and UKIP voters that defected from their party ended up and can make rough inferences as to how they went there, and it all points towards your claim of taking its support from many wings of british politics being nothing more than PR move. oh yeah you probably got like 200 lexiters in there well done what a stunning democratic movement.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'm not releasing information I'm not legally allowed to release for you.

you have enough public polling regarding party defections and make up to reasonably make your case. we know where the labour, conservative and UKIP voters that defected from their party ended up and can make rough inferences as to how they went there, and it all points towards your claim of taking its support from many wings of british politics being nothing more than PR move. oh yeah you probably got like 200 lexiters in there well done what a stunning democratic movement.

I don't know where the people on the top of the party are from, I only know about the ideas that are being discussed.

[Fartsniffage]

you have enough public polling regarding party defections and make up to reasonably make your case. we know where the labour, conservative and UKIP voters that defected from their party ended up and can make rough inferences as to how they went there, and it all points towards your claim of taking its support from many wings of british politics being nothing more than PR move. oh yeah you probably got like 200 lexiters in there well done what a stunning democratic movement.

I don't know where the people on the top of the party are from, I only know about the ideas that are being discussed.

Compulsory serving of asparagus at breakfast, free corsets for the under 5's, and leave the EU?

[Souseiseki]

you have enough public polling regarding party defections and make up to reasonably make your case. we know where the labour, conservative and UKIP voters that defected from their party ended up and can make rough inferences as to how they went there, and it all points towards your claim of taking its support from many wings of british politics being nothing more than PR move. oh yeah you probably got like 200 lexiters in there well done what a stunning democratic movement.

I don't know where the people on the top of the party are from, I only know about the ideas that are being discussed.

the lib dem conference once discussed adopting souslaw as an actual policy for the UK. prepare to be disappointed.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I don't know where the people on the top of the party are from, I only know about the ideas that are being discussed.

the lib dem conference once discussed adopting souslaw as an actual policy for the UK. prepare to be disappointed.

Souslaw?

[Vassenor]

Uh-huh. Prove it.

I'm not releasing information I'm not legally allowed to release for you.

Ah yes, the old "there is evidence but it's being buried" excuse.

Well, you known what they say about things asserted without evidence.

[Fartsniffage]

I'm not releasing information I'm not legally allowed to release for you.

Ah yes, the old "there is evidence but it's being buried" excuse.

Well, you known what they say about things asserted without evidence.

Nigel himself said in April that the Brexit Party was keeping the same policies as UKIP just without some of the more right wing people.

[Souseiseki]

the lib dem conference once discussed adopting souslaw as an actual policy for the UK. prepare to be disappointed.

Souslaw?

the liberal democrats policy consultations on sex work are extremely favourable, hinting towards the decriminalization of sex work and rolling back of certain aspects of our ridiculous pornography laws. these ideas were discussed, and even found some support in the party. but when it comes to national politics and elections, how long do you think this will actually survive? anything related to pornography will be dropped once the heat gets turned up, so whether or not the lib dems or any party have actually discussed these ideas ultimately means nothing. it is not that popular with their base, and certainly not popular outside of it. the same thing applies to the brexit party. they are a child of right-wing conservatism, and that will permanently colour what policies they will actually adopt in practice.

e: and as far as i can tell the policy consultation was already watered down and had one of the most controversial parts removed. "discussed" indeed.

e2: present in 2016 paper, absent in 2017 paper. blatantly removed. pfft.

[Salandriagado]

You mean apart from all of the racist, anti-abortion, anti-gender equality, zero-tolerance on drugs, climate change denying, pro-homeopathy, anti-LGBT-rights, pro-death penalty anti-age-equality scumbags running the party? Not much, really.

Going to need some sauce for all that spice.

Start with Ann Widdecombe, and keep clicking through the rest.

[Ostroeuropa]

A report on the far-right has said that basically the reason the far-right is surging across the world is that almost nobody except the far-right is engaged in theoretical discussion, thought generation, argument generation and so on, on the issues of migration, because everyone else has been terrorized into silence on the topic and doesn't talk about it beyond repeating the same tired and failing nonsense in order to avoid being called racist.

It doesn't matter that the far-rights discourse is shite, it's still a discourse, and thus driving the discussion. On the other side there is no discourse, only thought terminating maxims and cliches alongside vilifying anyone who tries to actually start a discourse.

Like if our entire discussion of the economy was between a bunch of highly aggressive and abusive people who just screamed in your face that you're a fucking Nazi, tried to get you fired, threatened you with violence and so on, if you didn't just bleat "capitalism good. work harder. capitalism good." over and over, and on the other side was;

"All these problems? Jews. You see those low wages? Jews. Here's the mechanism by which they do it.".

The latter begins to dominate thought on the topic and discussion of it, because the former is not an actual discourse, but a demand for the total absence of one.

[Salandriagado]

A report on the far-right has said that basically the reason the far-right is surging across the world is that almost nobody except the far-right is engaged in theoretical discussion, thought generation, argument generation and so on, on the issues of migration, because everyone else has been terrorized into silence on the topic and doesn't talk about it beyond repeating the same tired and failing nonsense in order to avoid being called racist.

It doesn't matter that the far-rights discourse is shite, it's still a discourse, and thus driving the discussion. On the other side there is no discourse, only thought terminating maxims and cliches alongside vilifying anyone who tries to actually start a discourse.

Please, stop this bullshit of referring to things without fucking linking to them.

[Ostroeuropa]

A report on the far-right has said that basically the reason the far-right is surging across the world is that almost nobody except the far-right is engaged in theoretical discussion, thought generation, argument generation and so on, on the issues of migration, because everyone else has been terrorized into silence on the topic and doesn't talk about it beyond repeating the same tired and failing nonsense in order to avoid being called racist.

It doesn't matter that the far-rights discourse is shite, it's still a discourse, and thus driving the discussion. On the other side there is no discourse, only thought terminating maxims and cliches alongside vilifying anyone who tries to actually start a discourse.

Please, stop this bullshit of referring to things without fucking linking to them.

https://www.isdglobal.org/wp-content/up ... by-ISD.pdf

The far right is able to take ownership of the ‘grey zone’ around contentious issues like migration because politicians and society are less willing to take on the role of thought leaders in these areas for fear of public outcry and outrage

[Salandriagado]

Please, stop this bullshit of referring to things without fucking linking to them.

https://www.isdglobal.org/wp-content/up ... by-ISD.pdf

The far right is able to take ownership of the ‘grey zone’ around contentious issues like migration because politicians and society are less willing to take on the role of thought leaders in these areas for fear of public outcry and outrage

So, as usual, it says absolutely nothing like what you claimed it said.

[Ostroeuropa]

https://www.isdglobal.org/wp-content/up ... by-ISD.pdf

So, as usual, it says absolutely nothing like what you claimed it said.

How do you suppose this is different?

[Bear Stearns]

I will be in the UK next month!

Which places you intend to grace with your presence?

London

[Eastfield Lodge]

A report on the far-right has said that basically the reason the far-right is surging across the world is that almost nobody except the far-right is engaged in theoretical discussion, thought generation, argument generation and so on, on the issues of migration, because everyone else has been terrorized into silence on the topic and doesn't talk about it beyond repeating the same tired and failing nonsense in order to avoid being called racist.

It doesn't matter that the far-rights discourse is shite, it's still a discourse, and thus driving the discussion. On the other side there is no discourse, only thought terminating maxims and cliches alongside vilifying anyone who tries to actually start a discourse.

Like if our entire discussion of the economy was between a bunch of highly aggressive and abusive people who just screamed in your face that you're a fucking Nazi, tried to get you fired, threatened you with violence and so on, if you didn't just bleat "capitalism good. work harder. capitalism good." over and over, and on the other side was;

"All these problems? Jews. You see those low wages? Jews. Here's the mechanism by which they do it.".

The latter begins to dominate thought on the topic and discussion of it, because the former is not an actual discourse, but a demand for the total absence of one.

Aren't you pro a far-right platform on migration?

[Fartsniffage]

A report on the far-right has said that basically the reason the far-right is surging across the world is that almost nobody except the far-right is engaged in theoretical discussion, thought generation, argument generation and so on, on the issues of migration, because everyone else has been terrorized into silence on the topic and doesn't talk about it beyond repeating the same tired and failing nonsense in order to avoid being called racist.

It doesn't matter that the far-rights discourse is shite, it's still a discourse, and thus driving the discussion. On the other side there is no discourse, only thought terminating maxims and cliches alongside vilifying anyone who tries to actually start a discourse.

Like if our entire discussion of the economy was between a bunch of highly aggressive and abusive people who just screamed in your face that you're a fucking Nazi, tried to get you fired, threatened you with violence and so on, if you didn't just bleat "capitalism good. work harder. capitalism good." over and over, and on the other side was;

"All these problems? Jews. You see those low wages? Jews. Here's the mechanism by which they do it.".

The latter begins to dominate thought on the topic and discussion of it, because the former is not an actual discourse, but a demand for the total absence of one.

Aren't you pro a far-right platform on migration?

As far as I can tell his opinions depend on what he thinks Feminists think on any given day.

[Ostroeuropa]

A report on the far-right has said that basically the reason the far-right is surging across the world is that almost nobody except the far-right is engaged in theoretical discussion, thought generation, argument generation and so on, on the issues of migration, because everyone else has been terrorized into silence on the topic and doesn't talk about it beyond repeating the same tired and failing nonsense in order to avoid being called racist.

It doesn't matter that the far-rights discourse is shite, it's still a discourse, and thus driving the discussion. On the other side there is no discourse, only thought terminating maxims and cliches alongside vilifying anyone who tries to actually start a discourse.

Like if our entire discussion of the economy was between a bunch of highly aggressive and abusive people who just screamed in your face that you're a fucking Nazi, tried to get you fired, threatened you with violence and so on, if you didn't just bleat "capitalism good. work harder. capitalism good." over and over, and on the other side was;

"All these problems? Jews. You see those low wages? Jews. Here's the mechanism by which they do it.".

The latter begins to dominate thought on the topic and discussion of it, because the former is not an actual discourse, but a demand for the total absence of one.

Aren't you pro a far-right platform on migration?

I don't think there's some grand conspiracy to genocide white people through immigration, so no, i'm not far-right on immigration. I'm also not in favor of deportations or camps. So no, i'm not far-right on immigration. It's just that our discourse has gone so far off the neoliberal deep end and the overton window has been shrunk so much through media gaslighting the public that anything left of thatcher on economics is extremist socialism, and anything right of laissez fairez multiculturalist mass migration is naziism.

As far as I can tell his opinions depend on what he thinks Feminists think on any given day.

Tfw you trigger feminists so hard by pointing out how nonsense their worldview is that they bring it up even when you're not discussing it.