UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Souseiseki]

Being in favour of Brexit, while 48% of the public voted against it, means that at least that part of their platform cannot be 'common sense'

Common sense politics does not exist. It's what people who are too convinced of their own ideas call their own politics.

Being in favour of something that the majority voted for isn't common sense?

this looks like an ordinary text post, but it's actually a graph tracking public opinion on the death penalty and homosexuality in the united kingdom from 1910 to 2010

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Being in favour of something that the majority voted for isn't common sense?

Of course not. Common sense is not simply the majority view, why do you think that?

Opposing it because a minority of people don't like it isn't exactly common sense. It was a fundamental choice about the direction Britain should go in, and Brexit won out.

[Vassenor]

Such as what?

I can't actually tell you since I'm one of the people who feeds in to the drafting so it's confidential. Expect it to be public in a few weeks time though, sooner if Hunt is elected pm.

So no, it's not common sense politics. It's a fucking scam.

[Souseiseki]

Of course not. Common sense is not simply the majority view, why do you think that?

Opposing it because a minority of people don't like it isn't exactly common sense. It was a fundamental choice about the direction Britain should go in, and Brexit won out.

if it's such a fundamental choice then you probably have such a strong opinion on it that a 52-48 vote is not going to change your mind. people oppose it because it's a terrible idea that might literally end the united kingdom if you fuck it up, which you are intent on doing.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Of course not. Common sense is not simply the majority view, why do you think that?

Opposing it because a minority of people don't like it isn't exactly common sense. It was a fundamental choice about the direction Britain should go in, and Brexit won out.

I'm not claiming that at all. You are claiming something is common sense. That is not to say that I claim the opposite is common sense. Where do you get this all from?

You can be in favour of Brexit, sure. I'm not saying that my position is common sense. However, don't claim that your position is somehow common sense.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I can't actually tell you since I'm one of the people who feeds in to the drafting so it's confidential. Expect it to be public in a few weeks time though, sooner if Hunt is elected pm.

So no, it's not common sense politics. It's a fucking scam.

Information not being public until it's finalised isn't a scam, it's normal practise.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Opposing it because a minority of people don't like it isn't exactly common sense. It was a fundamental choice about the direction Britain should go in, and Brexit won out.

if it's such a fundamental choice then you probably have such a strong opinion on it that a 52-48 vote is not going to change your mind. people oppose it because it's a terrible idea that might literally end the united kingdom if you fuck it up, which you are intent on doing.

I thought that ending the United Kingdom was something we agreed on?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Opposing it because a minority of people don't like it isn't exactly common sense. It was a fundamental choice about the direction Britain should go in, and Brexit won out.

I'm not claiming that at all. You are claiming something is common sense. That is not to say that I claim the opposite is common sense. Where do you get this all from?

You can be in favour of Brexit, sure. I'm not saying that my position is common sense. However, don't claim that your position is somehow common sense.

It is common sense in a democratic system of government to respect the wishes expressed in votes. If you don't, that's how distrust starts and that isn't good for anybody.

[Vassenor]

Of course not. Common sense is not simply the majority view, why do you think that?

Opposing it because a minority of people don't like it isn't exactly common sense. It was a fundamental choice about the direction Britain should go in, and Brexit won out.

Unless you're the Oregon GOP.

[Souseiseki]

if it's such a fundamental choice then you probably have such a strong opinion on it that a 52-48 vote is not going to change your mind. people oppose it because it's a terrible idea that might literally end the united kingdom if you fuck it up, which you are intent on doing.

I thought that ending the United Kingdom was something we agreed on?

i am a quantum nationalist

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Opposing it because a minority of people don't like it isn't exactly common sense. It was a fundamental choice about the direction Britain should go in, and Brexit won out.

Unless you're the Oregon GOP.

Which we're not...and which wasn't mentioned and is entirely irrelevant here.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I thought that ending the United Kingdom was something we agreed on?

i am a quantum nationalist

Is that like being a nationalist sometimes when it suits you?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I'm not claiming that at all. You are claiming something is common sense. That is not to say that I claim the opposite is common sense. Where do you get this all from?

You can be in favour of Brexit, sure. I'm not saying that my position is common sense. However, don't claim that your position is somehow common sense.

It is common sense in a democratic system of government to respect the wishes expressed in votes. If you don't, that's how distrust starts and that isn't good for anybody.

That is not the same as saying that Brexit is common sense. Besides, in a liberal democracy, the will of the majority can (and has to be) put aside for the protection of a minority.

But I am sure you support a second referendum, then? To find out the democratic will of the people?

[Souseiseki]

i am a quantum nationalist

Is that like being a nationalist sometimes when it suits you?

sort of it's all very awkward

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It is common sense in a democratic system of government to respect the wishes expressed in votes. If you don't, that's how distrust starts and that isn't good for anybody.

That is not the same as saying that Brexit is common sense. Besides, in a liberal democracy, the will of the majority can (and has to be) put aside for the protection of a minority.

But I am sure you support a second referendum, then? To find out the democratic will of the people?

We've already found the will of the people out, thanks, it was in 2016.

[Souseiseki]

That is not the same as saying that Brexit is common sense. Besides, in a liberal democracy, the will of the majority can (and has to be) put aside for the protection of a minority.

But I am sure you support a second referendum, then? To find out the democratic will of the people?

We've already found the will of the people out, thanks, it was in 2016.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 91351.html

[Greater vakolicci haven]

We've already found the will of the people out, thanks, it was in 2016.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 91351.html

Filling peoples heads with propaganda and then telling them to vote again is a classic EU tactic, yes.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

That is not the same as saying that Brexit is common sense. Besides, in a liberal democracy, the will of the majority can (and has to be) put aside for the protection of a minority.

But I am sure you support a second referendum, then? To find out the democratic will of the people?

We've already found the will of the people out, thanks, it was in 2016.

The will of 51% of the people, if we're being frank. Let's not pretend like everyone in the UK is suddenly pro-Brexit.

Also, in 1859, liberals won the general elections, so I guess we know the will of the people on that front too.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

We've already found the will of the people out, thanks, it was in 2016.

The will of 51% of the people, if we're being frank. Let's not pretend like everyone in the UK is suddenly pro-Brexit.

Also, in 1859, liberals won the general elections, so I guess we know the will of the people on that front too.

General elections are supposed to be repeated, this was framed as a generational choice however.

[Vassenor]

The will of 51% of the people, if we're being frank. Let's not pretend like everyone in the UK is suddenly pro-Brexit.

Also, in 1859, liberals won the general elections, so I guess we know the will of the people on that front too.

General elections are supposed to be repeated, this was framed as a generational choice however.

"The matter will only be considered settled with a two-thirds majority" - Nigel Farage, 2016.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The will of 51% of the people, if we're being frank. Let's not pretend like everyone in the UK is suddenly pro-Brexit.

Also, in 1859, liberals won the general elections, so I guess we know the will of the people on that front too.

General elections are supposed to be repeated, this was framed as a generational choice however.

Yes, indeed. They are supposed to repeat, those general elections. Would you be able to tell me why that is?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

General elections are supposed to be repeated, this was framed as a generational choice however.

Yes, indeed. They are supposed to repeat, those general elections. Would you be able to tell me why that is?

In order to allow people to change the government. Not 'in case they have changed their minds on the exact thing they voted on last time,' because manifestos change.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Yes, indeed. They are supposed to repeat, those general elections. Would you be able to tell me why that is?

In order to allow people to change the government. Not 'in case they have changed their minds on the exact thing they voted on last time,' because manifestos change.

Yeah, no, those elections are exactly meant to allow people to change their minds. Also, a quick reminder that people did not vote on the type of Brexit they wanted.

So, your views on Brexit force you to adopt a view of democracy wherein people are not allowed to change their mind?

[Salandriagado]

I think they’ll rather try to form a coalition government with the Brexit Party because if you can trust conservative parties to do one thing, it’s that they’ll ally themselves to whatever abhorrent ideology necessary to remain in power.

What makes you think that the Brexit party has an abhorrent ideology? You don't know most of our policy platform yet because it's still being worked out.

You mean apart from all of the racist, anti-abortion, anti-gender equality, zero-tolerance on drugs, climate change denying, pro-homeopathy, anti-LGBT-rights, pro-death penalty anti-age-equality scumbags running the party? Not much, really.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

What makes you think that the Brexit party has an abhorrent ideology? You don't know most of our policy platform yet because it's still being worked out.

You mean apart from all of the racist, anti-abortion, anti-gender equality, zero-tolerance on drugs, climate change denying, pro-homeopathy, anti-LGBT-rights, pro-death penalty anti-age-equality scumbags running the party? Not much, really.

Going to need some sauce for all that spice.