UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Chan Island]

And what would you suggest as a better alternative than a democratic Parliament?

Make the top 0.1% quartile in national IQ tests sovereign individuals with the permission to give orders to the civil service and raise private armies.

Can’t wait for Civil War 2, Sheldon Cooper vs Dexter.

[Vassenor]

And what would you suggest as a better alternative than a democratic Parliament?

Make the top 0.1% quartile in national IQ tests sovereign individuals with the permission to give orders to the civil service and raise private armies.

Yeah, no. Not least because "top 0.1% quartile" isn't actually a thing.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I agree

And what would you suggest as a better alternative than a democratic Parliament?

Local democracy only with non-party candidates, with the resultant bodies internally choosing representatives to send to the regional level, and then regional representatives themselves sending representatives to one chamber of a national Parliament.

Labour, business and the professions also elect non-party representatives locally, who deal with internal affairs to them but also then elect members regionally and to a second national chamber.

Senior figures from each chamber and the leaders of the regional chambers form a small council who appoint an elected monarch on a lifetime basis who initiates legislation but has to get approval from two of the other three groups.

Anyone who tries to form a political party goes to jail. I'm still undecided on whether they will be adjudged as having passed "Go", this is a work in progress.

[Chan Island]

And what would you suggest as a better alternative than a democratic Parliament?

Local democracy only with non-party candidates, with the resultant bodies internally choosing representatives to send to the regional level, and then regional representatives themselves sending representatives to one chamber of a national Parliament.

Labour, business and the professions also elect non-party representatives locally, who deal with internal affairs to them but also then elect members regionally and to a second national chamber.

Senior figures from each chamber and the leaders of the regional chambers form a small council who appoint an elected monarch on a lifetime basis who initiates legislation but has to get approval from two of the other three groups.

Anyone who tries to form a political party goes to jail. I'm still undecided on whether they will be adjudged as having passed "Go", this is a work in progress.

So what do you do when, say, the likeminded representatives of 2 regions decide they will work together on common interests, and help out other likeminded representatives get elected? Strictly informally though so not a party.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Local democracy only with non-party candidates, with the resultant bodies internally choosing representatives to send to the regional level, and then regional representatives themselves sending representatives to one chamber of a national Parliament.

Labour, business and the professions also elect non-party representatives locally, who deal with internal affairs to them but also then elect members regionally and to a second national chamber.

Senior figures from each chamber and the leaders of the regional chambers form a small council who appoint an elected monarch on a lifetime basis who initiates legislation but has to get approval from two of the other three groups.

Anyone who tries to form a political party goes to jail. I'm still undecided on whether they will be adjudged as having passed "Go", this is a work in progress.

So what do you do when, say, the likeminded representatives of 2 regions decide they will work together on common interests, and help out other likeminded representatives get elected? Strictly informally though so not a party.

You can only make it as difficult as possible. Such informal groups will not have permanence, internal party discipline, and will not enjoy machinery of control such as whipping or candidate deselection.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

And what would you suggest as a better alternative than a democratic Parliament?

Local democracy only with non-party candidates, with the resultant bodies internally choosing representatives to send to the regional level, and then regional representatives themselves sending representatives to one chamber of a national Parliament.

Labour, business and the professions also elect non-party representatives locally, who deal with internal affairs to them but also then elect members regionally and to a second national chamber.

Senior figures from each chamber and the leaders of the regional chambers form a small council who appoint an elected monarch on a lifetime basis who initiates legislation but has to get approval from two of the other three groups.

Anyone who tries to form a political party goes to jail. I'm still undecided on whether they will be adjudged as having passed "Go", this is a work in progress.

Your last paragraph excluded, this doesn't sound too (imagine I'm in excruciating pain as I try to say "too") bad. Locals elect local reps who elect regional reps who elect federal reps. It's... cute, I guess.

Just a few problems, if senior figures from unions, business, and the sciences get a special say, then that would seem to give them more power than the average person. Not inherently a bad thing, depending on your worldview, but it could lead to bad consequences. The bolstering and corruption of those institutions at the expense of the individual.

Also, a lifetime monarch. That's just a bad idea, that just doesn't work. Leaders need to be able to be voted out when it becomes clear they're doing a bad job.

Please tell me that last paragraph is a joke. I'm leaning towards it being a joke, but i just can't be sure with you.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Yaxley-Lennon guilty of contempt, and faces going back to jail. Good stuff.

[The New California Republic]

Yaxley-Lennon guilty of contempt, and faces going back to jail. Good stuff.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yaxley-Lennon guilty of contempt, and faces going back to jail. Good stuff.

Rekt

[Dumb Ideologies]

Yaxley-Lennon guilty of contempt, and faces going back to jail. Good stuff.

His heart is partly in the right place. Alas, his brain is missing, presumed doing wheelies through a cursed burial ground.

[Chan Island]

Yaxley-Lennon guilty of contempt, and faces going back to jail. Good stuff.

Again?

I wonder if he’ll actually learn to follow the law next time.

(PS; remember that time he tried to enter the USA with a fake passport? And yet continues to cry about illegal immigration. )

[Hurdergaryp]

Make the top 0.1% quartile in national IQ tests sovereign individuals with the permission to give orders to the civil service and raise private armies.

Yeah, no. Not least because "top 0.1% quartile" isn't actually a thing.

It does sound rather impressive, though. That's all you need in order to be taken seriously as a political thinker, right?

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

And what would you suggest as a better alternative than a democratic Parliament?

Local democracy only with non-party candidates, with the resultant bodies internally choosing representatives to send to the regional level, and then regional representatives themselves sending representatives to one chamber of a national Parliament.

Labour, business and the professions also elect non-party representatives locally, who deal with internal affairs to them but also then elect members regionally and to a second national chamber.

Senior figures from each chamber and the leaders of the regional chambers form a small council who appoint an elected monarch on a lifetime basis who initiates legislation but has to get approval from two of the other three groups.

Anyone who tries to form a political party goes to jail. I'm still undecided on whether they will be adjudged as having passed "Go", this is a work in progress.

Nice try, creative, not as good as the Restoration

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

And what would you suggest as a better alternative than a democratic Parliament?

Make the top 0.1% quartile in national IQ tests sovereign individuals with the permission to give orders to the civil service and raise private armies.

Multiple kings bad, one king good

[Galloism]

And what would you suggest as a better alternative than a democratic Parliament?

Local democracy only with non-party candidates, with the resultant bodies internally choosing representatives to send to the regional level, and then regional representatives themselves sending representatives to one chamber of a national Parliament.

Labour, business and the professions also elect non-party representatives locally, who deal with internal affairs to them but also then elect members regionally and to a second national chamber.

Senior figures from each chamber and the leaders of the regional chambers form a small council who appoint an elected monarch on a lifetime basis who initiates legislation but has to get approval from two of the other three groups.

Anyone who tries to form a political party goes to jail. I'm still undecided on whether they will be adjudged as having passed "Go", this is a work in progress.

An interesting perspective, but what if instead we just picked politicians like we picked juries?

Sure, a nutter will get in there now and again, but on the balance, it probably would be better than what we have now.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Politicians, like journalists, should be illegal

[Hurdergaryp]

Politicians, like journalists, should be illegal

And social media as well, while we're at it.

[Dooom35796821595]

Local democracy only with non-party candidates, with the resultant bodies internally choosing representatives to send to the regional level, and then regional representatives themselves sending representatives to one chamber of a national Parliament.

Labour, business and the professions also elect non-party representatives locally, who deal with internal affairs to them but also then elect members regionally and to a second national chamber.

Senior figures from each chamber and the leaders of the regional chambers form a small council who appoint an elected monarch on a lifetime basis who initiates legislation but has to get approval from two of the other three groups.

Anyone who tries to form a political party goes to jail. I'm still undecided on whether they will be adjudged as having passed "Go", this is a work in progress.

An interesting perspective, but what if instead we just picked politicians like we picked juries?

Sure, a nutter will get in there now and again, but on the balance, it probably would be better than what we have now.

At random from the electoral roll? Isn’t that what they did in Rome?

[Hurdergaryp]

An interesting perspective, but what if instead we just picked politicians like we picked juries?

Sure, a nutter will get in there now and again, but on the balance, it probably would be better than what we have now.

At random from the electoral roll? Isn’t that what they did in Rome?

What they did in Rome was that the Emperor was commonly murdered by his own Praetorian Guard if he didn't provide them with enough monetary incentives not to do so.

[Novus America]

An interesting perspective, but what if instead we just picked politicians like we picked juries?

Sure, a nutter will get in there now and again, but on the balance, it probably would be better than what we have now.

At random from the electoral roll? Isn’t that what they did in Rome?

That was ancient Athens, not Rome.

[Dooom35796821595]

At random from the electoral roll? Isn’t that what they did in Rome?

That was ancient Athens, not Rome.

Ah, I thought I got the wrong city. My mistake.

[Souseiseki]

Politicians, like journalists, should be illegal

implying that the venn diagram of journalists and politicians in any position that matters in UK politics isn't a perfect circle

[Ostroeuropa]

Politicians, like journalists, should be illegal

But comrade, how will we know what god thinks without the clergy to tell us? It's essential we not give way to anti-clericalism. Or worse. Protestantism and all the chaos that entails with its notions of everyone being capable of figuring shit out for themselves and forming their own media communities and so on.

Chaos.

[Ostroeuropa]

Local democracy only with non-party candidates, with the resultant bodies internally choosing representatives to send to the regional level, and then regional representatives themselves sending representatives to one chamber of a national Parliament.

Labour, business and the professions also elect non-party representatives locally, who deal with internal affairs to them but also then elect members regionally and to a second national chamber.

Senior figures from each chamber and the leaders of the regional chambers form a small council who appoint an elected monarch on a lifetime basis who initiates legislation but has to get approval from two of the other three groups.

Anyone who tries to form a political party goes to jail. I'm still undecided on whether they will be adjudged as having passed "Go", this is a work in progress.

An interesting perspective, but what if instead we just picked politicians like we picked juries?

Sure, a nutter will get in there now and again, but on the balance, it probably would be better than what we have now.

Systems that use jury politicians were typically limited to city states and often had the outgoing lot judged by the incoming lot and exiled if they got up to shenanigans too extreme. (The first act of the incoming government was to grill the outgoing government over their reasoning for decisions, then issue a statement on whether they behaved in line with the values of the society) Moreover they used the Ostracism system, where once a year there would be a secret ballot to exile someone from the city despite no crimes, ideally on the basis they were deemed a caustic element the political consensus. That wasn't a majority vote either, it just needed a lot of people to decide you were stirring shit too much. Like 25%.

Basically, they had other systems in place to keep things stable and not chaotic and ensure that the jury would mooossstllyy be comprised of people who broadly thought in similar ways.

If we applied those systems here, Ostracism would mean basically everyone had to leave the country because we're too polarized already.

Notably, countries that used the Jury system, Athens and to some extent Sparta and so on, died off in large part because they were far too conservative and couldn't respond to change.

This is different to deciding the second house should be comprised of jurors validating the laws passed by elected officials imo, which might work better.

[The Huskar Social Union]

UK slavery network 'had 400 victims'

Members of a gang behind the biggest modern-day slavery network ever exposed in the UK have been jailed.

Police believe more than 400 victims were put to work in the West Midlands by the organised crime gang.

They tricked vulnerable people from Poland into England with the promise of work and a better life.

But their victims were made to live in rat-infested houses and work menial jobs, it can now be reported after reporting restrictions were lifted.

Eight offenders, who police say are members and associates of two Polish crime families, have been jailed after being convicted in two separate trials of crimes including trafficking, conspiracy to require another to perform forced labour and money laundering.

Disgusting this shit still happens. At least these ones have been arrested