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Who is your preferred Conservative Party leadership candidate?

Gove
5
4%
Hunt
11
9%
Javid
5
4%
Johnson
37
31%
Raab
11
9%
Stewart
50
42%
 
Total votes : 119

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Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:43 am

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Enlighten me.


His statements regarding the TEAM GB table tennis team at the 2008 Olympics. Thought that the proper name for the sport was "Wiff Waff".


Based. I'm given a huge boost of confidence in those politicians who display minds far above the banal trivialities of sports and popular culture. I want them to think about more important things.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:44 am

Today is the 900th day of NI not having a government


Wish i had a tank.

Stormont would look so better with some exterior renovations.
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Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:45 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Today is the 900th day of NI not having a government


Wish i had a tank.

Stormont would look so better with some exterior renovations.


Agreed. We should abolish all regional parliaments, especially the Irish one.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:46 am

Based Groyper wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Today is the 900th day of NI not having a government


Wish i had a tank.

Stormont would look so better with some exterior renovations.


Agreed. We should abolish all regional parliaments, especially the Irish one.

Here goes the peace.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:46 am

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Economists from across the entire political spectrum think the land tax is the best tax.

Source on that?


Dude.

Adam Smith, the wealth of nations.
Milton Friedman.
Henry George.
Karl Marx.

https://www.econlib.org/land-taxes-the- ... ry-george/
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Postby Souseiseki » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:46 am

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Naturally, the moment the UK leaves there will have to be border inspections at the ports and airports. This will significantly delay the movement of goods, meaning that stockpiled reserves will have to be drawn upon.

And Brexiteers were laughing at people who were stockpiling things just a few months ago.

Assuming of course that it can be preserved. Insulin for example spoils very quickly. As do foods like berries, milk and breads.

This will, over the course of several days, me an that Yes, shelves will start looking sparser.

And to top it all off, let's remember that the man currently in charge making all of this go smoothly... is Chris Grayling. The man who hands shipping contracts to companies with no ships.


Why is it that whenever you ask a Remainer to construct something resembling an actual economic argument with actual quantifiable predictions you get these confused streams of fan-fiction about how we're going to run out of Insulin and MLP-themed realdolls?


lmao that's not a real response and you know it. do you have a substantive critique of remainers predictions that customs checks will lead to disruption to logistics?

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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:It’s undeniable that EU imports will become more expensive and that EU exports will become less lucerative. Boris Johnson will just magic money out of thin air, yeah?


Yes. That is literally how modern finance works. The conditions which allow for it won't persist for much longer. But "magic money tree" is very real. EU imports becoming more expensive =/= the economy crashing. Funny how once we depart from the realm of generalised insinuations of doom these economic consequences are far less fearsome and sensationalist.


you've presented a single hypothetical of EU goods becoming more expensive. alright. we get a bunch of stuff from the EU that we don't get from other countries due to trade and distance issues. now a huge number of our goods, including yes things like food and medicine, are harder to import and more expensive for businesses and consumers. you, uh, don't think that could go badly?

ever notice how brexiters, despite talking about how great leaving the EU would be before the referendum, are now floating "well pfft it won't be a total economic collapse" as a talking point?

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Souseiseki wrote:nigel farage saying that brexit is the priority even if the UK breaks up but it's ok because leave voters definitely voted for economic hardship and the breaking up of the country in 2016


the UK is going to break up guys after the economy crashes two errr...three years too late


i said economic hardship and the breaking up of the UK not the breaking up of the UK because of economic hardship. the ramifications of the border in northern ireland and scotland's discontent at how the brexit process has gone might kick off even if the UK economy remains perfectly fine.

oh btw speaking of things being more expensive polls show there's a sizeable number of people that flip their opinions on independence based on whether they'd be £500 or £1000 better off or worse off after independence. it was one of the things that made getting people to support scottish independence harder. and if things suddenly get more expensive and the SNP/sinn fein are able to convince people it happened because england dragged them out of the EU and single market against their wishes along with a sneaky reminder that the reason the UK joined the EEC in the first place was to improve its sluggish economy then, oh, perish the thought!
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:47 am

Based Groyper wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Today is the 900th day of NI not having a government


Wish i had a tank.

Stormont would look so better with some exterior renovations.


Agreed. We should abolish all regional parliaments, especially the Irish one.


And the Northern Ireland one too. :p
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:48 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Source on that?


Dude.

Adam Smith, the wealth of nations.
Milton Friedman.
Henry George.
Karl Marx.

https://www.econlib.org/land-taxes-the- ... ry-george/

Most of them are pretty much ancient when compared to the pace of development.

Either way, this is basically a sanction on farmers and large-plot homeowners.
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Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:49 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
Agreed. We should abolish all regional parliaments, especially the Irish one.

Here goes the peace.


What peace. There was a surrender signed by a secret Catholic and a man who spent the negotiations writing IRA fanfiction. There wasn't a 'peace'.

We're not living in the 20th century anymore. You cannot insist that we need to keep the entire population of mainland Britain under constant surveillance while also claiming what is today a truly pathetic collection of provincial drug dealers and low-time mobsters are an indefatigable foe we can only appease.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:49 am

Based Groyper wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Today is the 900th day of NI not having a government


Wish i had a tank.

Stormont would look so better with some exterior renovations.


Agreed. We should abolish all regional parliaments, especially the Irish one.

Nah i like it, i just want better politicians in it. Not your stupid idea.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:49 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Dude.

Adam Smith, the wealth of nations.
Milton Friedman.
Henry George.
Karl Marx.

https://www.econlib.org/land-taxes-the- ... ry-george/

Most of them are pretty much ancient when compared to the pace of development.

Either way, this is basically a sanction on farmers and large-plot homeowners.


Modern right-wing think tanks also regularly support it mate.

Farmland isn't that valuable compared to urban areas.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:50 am

Based Groyper wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Here goes the peace.


What peace. There was a surrender signed by a secret Catholic and a man who spent the negotiations writing IRA fanfiction. There wasn't a 'peace'.

We're not living in the 20th century anymore. You cannot insist that we need to keep the entire population of mainland Britain under constant surveillance while also claiming what is today a truly pathetic collection of provincial drug dealers and low-time mobsters are an indefatigable foe we can only appease.

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pull the other one its got bells on, your a literary man now apparently so should be easy
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:54 am

Based Groyper wrote:You cannot insist that we need to keep the entire population of mainland Britain under constant surveillance
Everybody involved in the government in any way whatsoever: hold my beer

Yes they can. Watch them. It is just one more unfortunate symptom of our general decline.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:55 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
Agreed. We should abolish all regional parliaments, especially the Irish one.

Nah i like it, i just want better politicians in it. Not your stupid idea.


What is this ‘better politician’ you speak of? For I know not what it is. A better liar? A better embezzler? A smugger face?
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:56 am

Based Groyper wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Today is the 900th day of NI not having a government


Wish i had a tank.

Stormont would look so better with some exterior renovations.


Agreed. We should abolish all regional parliaments, especially the Irish one.
Amateur. All Parliaments should be abolished.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:56 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Nah i like it, i just want better politicians in it. Not your stupid idea.


What is this ‘better politician’ you speak of? For I know not what it is. A better liar? A better embezzler? A smugger face?

Unfortunately we have to wait 20 years before the research for "Better Politician" finishes.

So in the mean time, anyone that isnt a cunt really.

Which disqualifies the DUP and like 80% of Sinn Fein.
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Postby Hirota » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:57 am

Vassenor wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
Enlighten me.


His statements regarding the TEAM GB table tennis team at the 2008 Olympics. Thought that the proper name for the sport was "Wiff Waff".
Oddly enough one of the names for table tennis was indeed called "whiff-whaff" by Slazenger.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/gen ... 28687.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olymp ... ennis.html

He was, as is so often the case when he gets mocked as an idiot, trying to make a joke.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:59 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
What is this ‘better politician’ you speak of? For I know not what it is. A better liar? A better embezzler? A smugger face?

Unfortunately we have to wait 20 years before the research for "Better Politician" finishes.

So in the mean time, anyone that isnt a cunt really.

Which disqualifies the DUP and like 80% of Sinn Fein.


Sounds like the promise of fusion power, always 30 years away. :(
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Postby Questarian New Yorkshire » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:59 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Unfortunately we have to wait 20 years before the research for "Better Politician" finishes.

So in the mean time, anyone that isnt a cunt really.

Which disqualifies the DUP and like 80% of Sinn Fein.


Sounds like the promise of fusion power, always 30 years away. :(
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Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:16 am

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:You cannot insist that we need to keep the entire population of mainland Britain under constant surveillance
Everybody involved in the government in any way whatsoever: hold my beer

Yes they can. Watch them. It is just one more unfortunate symptom of our general decline.


True and not really the point.
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Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:17 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
What peace. There was a surrender signed by a secret Catholic and a man who spent the negotiations writing IRA fanfiction. There wasn't a 'peace'.

We're not living in the 20th century anymore. You cannot insist that we need to keep the entire population of mainland Britain under constant surveillance while also claiming what is today a truly pathetic collection of provincial drug dealers and low-time mobsters are an indefatigable foe we can only appease.

Image


pull the other one its got bells on, your a literary man now apparently so should be easy


Not an argument lad.
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Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:17 am

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
Agreed. We should abolish all regional parliaments, especially the Irish one.
Amateur. All Parliaments should be abolished.


I agree
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:05 am

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Questarian New Yorkshire wrote: Amateur. All Parliaments should be abolished.


I agree

And what would you suggest as a better alternative than a democratic Parliament?
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Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:10 am

Eastfield Lodge wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
I agree

And what would you suggest as a better alternative than a democratic Parliament?


Make the top 0.1% quartile in national IQ tests sovereign individuals with the permission to give orders to the civil service and raise private armies.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:22 am

Based Groyper wrote:
Eastfield Lodge wrote:And what would you suggest as a better alternative than a democratic Parliament?


Make the top 0.1% quartile in national IQ tests sovereign individuals with the permission to give orders to the civil service and raise private armies.

So not you then.
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