NATION

PASSWORD

UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Who is your preferred Conservative Party leadership candidate?

Gove
5
4%
Hunt
11
9%
Javid
5
4%
Johnson
37
31%
Raab
11
9%
Stewart
50
42%
 
Total votes : 119

User avatar
Chan Island
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6824
Founded: Nov 26, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Chan Island » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:09 am

Based Groyper wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:The UK is still in the single market.


Naturally the moment the UK leaves the single market food will vanish from the shelves and the GDP will halve. This is how markets work. They never take into account future developments and just wait until these things happen before reacting.


Naturally, the moment the UK leaves there will have to be border inspections at the ports and airports. This will significantly delay the movement of goods, meaning that stockpiled reserves will have to be drawn upon.

And Brexiteers were laughing at people who were stockpiling things just a few months ago.

Assuming of course that it can be preserved. Insulin for example spoils very quickly. As do foods like berries, milk and breads.

This will, over the course of several days, me an that Yes, shelves will start looking sparser.

And to top it all off, let's remember that the man currently in charge making all of this go smoothly... is Chris Grayling. The man who hands shipping contracts to companies with no ships.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=513597&p=39401766#p39401766
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 159117
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:12 am

Chan Island wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
Naturally the moment the UK leaves the single market food will vanish from the shelves and the GDP will halve. This is how markets work. They never take into account future developments and just wait until these things happen before reacting.


Naturally, the moment the UK leaves there will have to be border inspections at the ports and airports. This will significantly delay the movement of goods, meaning that stockpiled reserves will have to be drawn upon.

And Brexiteers were laughing at people who were stockpiling things just a few months ago.

Assuming of course that it can be preserved. Insulin for example spoils very quickly. As do foods like berries, milk and breads.

This will, over the course of several days, me an that Yes, shelves will start looking sparser.

And to top it all off, let's remember that the man currently in charge making all of this go smoothly... is Chris Grayling. The man who hands shipping contracts to companies with no ships.

But don't worry, Boris has guaranteed that there will be drinking water.

User avatar
Based Groyper
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 404
Founded: May 18, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:15 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
Naturally the moment the UK leaves the single market food will vanish from the shelves and the GDP will halve. This is how markets work. They never take into account future developments and just wait until these things happen before reacting.

It’s undeniable that EU imports will become more expensive and that EU exports will become less lucerative. Boris Johnson will just magic money out of thin air, yeah?


Yes. That is literally how modern finance works. The conditions which allow for it won't persist for much longer. But "magic money tree" is very real. EU imports becoming more expensive =/= the economy crashing. Funny how once we depart from the realm of generalised insinuations of doom these economic consequences are far less fearsome and sensationalist.
"Please do not insult the Joker and the memory of Heath Ledger with your nflated sense of self."
-Gauthier

User avatar
Based Groyper
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 404
Founded: May 18, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:17 am

Chan Island wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
Naturally the moment the UK leaves the single market food will vanish from the shelves and the GDP will halve. This is how markets work. They never take into account future developments and just wait until these things happen before reacting.


Naturally, the moment the UK leaves there will have to be border inspections at the ports and airports. This will significantly delay the movement of goods, meaning that stockpiled reserves will have to be drawn upon.

And Brexiteers were laughing at people who were stockpiling things just a few months ago.

Assuming of course that it can be preserved. Insulin for example spoils very quickly. As do foods like berries, milk and breads.

This will, over the course of several days, me an that Yes, shelves will start looking sparser.

And to top it all off, let's remember that the man currently in charge making all of this go smoothly... is Chris Grayling. The man who hands shipping contracts to companies with no ships.


Why is it that whenever you ask a Remainer to construct something resembling an actual economic argument with actual quantifiable predictions you get these confused streams of fan-fiction about how we're going to run out of Insulin and MLP-themed realdolls?
"Please do not insult the Joker and the memory of Heath Ledger with your nflated sense of self."
-Gauthier

User avatar
Ostroeuropa
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 57903
Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:18 am

Tbf Gyroper may have a point. We can pretty much just give people more money to have things continue as normal and not much will change. We won't do that ofcourse, but we could.
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

User avatar
Chan Island
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6824
Founded: Nov 26, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Chan Island » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:18 am

Based Groyper wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
Naturally, the moment the UK leaves there will have to be border inspections at the ports and airports. This will significantly delay the movement of goods, meaning that stockpiled reserves will have to be drawn upon.

And Brexiteers were laughing at people who were stockpiling things just a few months ago.

Assuming of course that it can be preserved. Insulin for example spoils very quickly. As do foods like berries, milk and breads.

This will, over the course of several days, me an that Yes, shelves will start looking sparser.

And to top it all off, let's remember that the man currently in charge making all of this go smoothly... is Chris Grayling. The man who hands shipping contracts to companies with no ships.


Why is it that whenever you ask a Remainer to construct something resembling an actual economic argument with actual quantifiable predictions you get these confused streams of fan-fiction about how we're going to run out of Insulin and MLP-themed realdolls?


Because it's true.

And you have nothing but mockery and denial.
Last edited by Chan Island on Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:19 am, edited 1 time in total.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=513597&p=39401766#p39401766
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

User avatar
Ostroeuropa
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 57903
Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:20 am

The real problem is that the economy is basically fucked anyway. So you're left arguing Brexit on cultural terms.
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

User avatar
Caracasus
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7918
Founded: Apr 23, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Caracasus » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:20 am

Ifreann wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
Naturally, the moment the UK leaves there will have to be border inspections at the ports and airports. This will significantly delay the movement of goods, meaning that stockpiled reserves will have to be drawn upon.

And Brexiteers were laughing at people who were stockpiling things just a few months ago.

Assuming of course that it can be preserved. Insulin for example spoils very quickly. As do foods like berries, milk and breads.

This will, over the course of several days, me an that Yes, shelves will start looking sparser.

And to top it all off, let's remember that the man currently in charge making all of this go smoothly... is Chris Grayling. The man who hands shipping contracts to companies with no ships.

But don't worry, Boris has guaranteed that there will be drinking water.


So that's drinking water shortages too then?
As an editor I seam to spend an awful lot of thyme going threw issues and checking that they're no oblivious errars. Its a tough job but someone's got too do it!



Issues editor, not a moderator.

User avatar
Based Groyper
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 404
Founded: May 18, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:21 am

Chan Island wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
Why is it that whenever you ask a Remainer to construct something resembling an actual economic argument with actual quantifiable predictions you get these confused streams of fan-fiction about how we're going to run out of Insulin and MLP-themed realdolls?


Because it's true.


I see we have entered the realm of pure insistence and repetition
"Please do not insult the Joker and the memory of Heath Ledger with your nflated sense of self."
-Gauthier

User avatar
Chan Island
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6824
Founded: Nov 26, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Chan Island » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:27 am

Based Groyper wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
Because it's true.


I see we have entered the realm of pure insistence and repetition


And we're back at completely unsubstantive jokes.... square 1, in other words.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=513597&p=39401766#p39401766
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

User avatar
Dooom35796821595
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9309
Founded: Sep 11, 2011
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:31 am

Caracasus wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But don't worry, Boris has guaranteed that there will be drinking water.


So that's drinking water shortages too then?


.....nationalise the water?
When life gives you lemons, you BURN THEIR HOUSE DOWN!
Anything can be justified if it is cool. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all in your way.
"Your methods are stupid! Your progress has been stupid! Your intelligence is stupid! For the sake of the mission, you must be terminated!”

User avatar
Based Groyper
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 404
Founded: May 18, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:33 am

Voted Johnson in the poll. Far and away the cleverest person in British politics and I doubt the thread can produce a comeback.
"Please do not insult the Joker and the memory of Heath Ledger with your nflated sense of self."
-Gauthier

User avatar
Ostroeuropa
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 57903
Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:34 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
So that's drinking water shortages too then?


.....nationalise the water?


WHATS NEXT!??!?
Nationalizing LAND?!

Pffufhuhuhuhuhuuhhhuh.

Obviously a nations physical territory is the property of capitalists, not the nation.
Last edited by Ostroeuropa on Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:34 am, edited 1 time in total.
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

User avatar
Vassenor
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 66787
Founded: Nov 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:34 am

Based Groyper wrote:Voted Johnson in the poll. Far and away the cleverest person in British politics and I doubt the thread can produce a comeback.


#wiffwaff
Jenny / Sailor Astraea
WOMAN

MtF trans and proud - She / Her / etc.
100% Asbestos Free

Team Mystic
#iamEUropean

"Have you ever had a moment online, when the need to prove someone wrong has outweighed your own self-preservation instincts?"

User avatar
Petrolheadia
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11388
Founded: May 02, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:34 am

Based Groyper wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
Because it's true.


I see we have entered the realm of pure insistence and repetition

You can say a million things, but only one can be true.
Capitalism, single-payer healthcare, pro-choice, LGBT rights, progressive personal taxation, low corporate tax, pro-business law, welfare for those in need.
Nazism, edgism, dogmatic statements, most of Abrahamic-derived morality (esp. as law), welfare for those not in need.
We are not Albania and I am not Albanian, FFS!
Male, gearhead, classic rock fan, gamer, agnostic.
Not sure if left-libertarian, ex-libertarian or without a damn clue.
Where you can talk about cars!
"They're always saying I'm a Capitalist pig. I suppose I am, but, ah...it ah...it's good for my drumming, I think." - Keith Moon,
If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

User avatar
Dooom35796821595
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9309
Founded: Sep 11, 2011
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:35 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
.....nationalise the water?


WHATS NEXT!??!?
Nationalizing LAND?!

Pffufhuhuhuhuhuuhhhuh.

Obviously a nations physical territory is the property of capitalists, not the nation.


Hey, land is easy, at least it stays in one place!
When life gives you lemons, you BURN THEIR HOUSE DOWN!
Anything can be justified if it is cool. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all in your way.
"Your methods are stupid! Your progress has been stupid! Your intelligence is stupid! For the sake of the mission, you must be terminated!”

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58281
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:35 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
I see we have entered the realm of pure insistence and repetition

You can say a million things, but only one can be true.

He can also say a million things and say nothing at the same time.
Irish Nationalist from Belfast / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020



I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.


User avatar
Based Groyper
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 404
Founded: May 18, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:37 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:You can say a million things, but only one can be true.

He can also say a million things and say nothing at the same time.


Image
"Please do not insult the Joker and the memory of Heath Ledger with your nflated sense of self."
-Gauthier

User avatar
Petrolheadia
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11388
Founded: May 02, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:38 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
.....nationalise the water?


WHATS NEXT!??!?
Nationalizing LAND?!

Pffufhuhuhuhuhuuhhhuh.

Obviously a nations physical territory is the property of capitalists, not the nation.

Yeah, let's have nobody responsible for the land and nobody incentivised to work on it.
Capitalism, single-payer healthcare, pro-choice, LGBT rights, progressive personal taxation, low corporate tax, pro-business law, welfare for those in need.
Nazism, edgism, dogmatic statements, most of Abrahamic-derived morality (esp. as law), welfare for those not in need.
We are not Albania and I am not Albanian, FFS!
Male, gearhead, classic rock fan, gamer, agnostic.
Not sure if left-libertarian, ex-libertarian or without a damn clue.
Where you can talk about cars!
"They're always saying I'm a Capitalist pig. I suppose I am, but, ah...it ah...it's good for my drumming, I think." - Keith Moon,
If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

User avatar
Based Groyper
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 404
Founded: May 18, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:38 am

Vassenor wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:Voted Johnson in the poll. Far and away the cleverest person in British politics and I doubt the thread can produce a comeback.


#wiffwaff


Are you having a seizure?
"Please do not insult the Joker and the memory of Heath Ledger with your nflated sense of self."
-Gauthier

User avatar
Vassenor
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 66787
Founded: Nov 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:39 am

Based Groyper wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
#wiffwaff


Just quoting Boris.
Are you having a seizure?
Jenny / Sailor Astraea
WOMAN

MtF trans and proud - She / Her / etc.
100% Asbestos Free

Team Mystic
#iamEUropean

"Have you ever had a moment online, when the need to prove someone wrong has outweighed your own self-preservation instincts?"

User avatar
Ostroeuropa
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 57903
Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:40 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
WHATS NEXT!??!?
Nationalizing LAND?!

Pffufhuhuhuhuhuuhhhuh.

Obviously a nations physical territory is the property of capitalists, not the nation.

Yeah, let's have nobody responsible for the land and nobody incentivised to work on it.


Economists from across the entire political spectrum think the land tax is the best tax. functionally speaking that's the same as renting the land from the government and losing it if you don't pay.
Last edited by Ostroeuropa on Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

User avatar
Based Groyper
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 404
Founded: May 18, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Based Groyper » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:40 am

Vassenor wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
Just quoting Boris.
Are you having a seizure?


Enlighten me.
"Please do not insult the Joker and the memory of Heath Ledger with your nflated sense of self."
-Gauthier

User avatar
Vassenor
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 66787
Founded: Nov 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:41 am

Based Groyper wrote:
Vassenor wrote:


Enlighten me.


His statements regarding the TEAM GB table tennis team at the 2008 Olympics. Thought that the proper name for the sport was "Wiff Waff".
Jenny / Sailor Astraea
WOMAN

MtF trans and proud - She / Her / etc.
100% Asbestos Free

Team Mystic
#iamEUropean

"Have you ever had a moment online, when the need to prove someone wrong has outweighed your own self-preservation instincts?"

User avatar
Petrolheadia
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11388
Founded: May 02, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:42 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Yeah, let's have nobody responsible for the land and nobody incentivised to work on it.


Economists from across the entire political spectrum think the land tax is the best tax.

Source on that?
Capitalism, single-payer healthcare, pro-choice, LGBT rights, progressive personal taxation, low corporate tax, pro-business law, welfare for those in need.
Nazism, edgism, dogmatic statements, most of Abrahamic-derived morality (esp. as law), welfare for those not in need.
We are not Albania and I am not Albanian, FFS!
Male, gearhead, classic rock fan, gamer, agnostic.
Not sure if left-libertarian, ex-libertarian or without a damn clue.
Where you can talk about cars!
"They're always saying I'm a Capitalist pig. I suppose I am, but, ah...it ah...it's good for my drumming, I think." - Keith Moon,
If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Des-Bal, Dumb Ideologies, Ebenia, Immoren

Advertisement

Remove ads