UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1140890775686918144

Conservative Party members say they would sacrifice Scotland, Northern Ireland, the Conservative Party and the economy to get Brexit. The only thing they would lose Brexit for is to stop Corbyn.

how do you even begin to fix something like this

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Edit: meant yes to the last one.

What makes you believe NI will voluntarily remain as Rump State England's protectorate while they enjoy The Troubles Mk 2?

[Sessanueva]

Pretty simple way to start would be setting a close deadline for compliance, any corporations or elites found to be non-compliant after that stage get on the shitlist and are told their wealth is ephemeral and will be totally and completely confiscated so they are left with nothing but their debts when the people who take environmentalism seriously take over. Use that policy as a litmus test for environmentalism, and don't support those who don't have it.

But how on Earth would you ever get such a policy implemented in the actual political system?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

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Edit: meant yes to the last one.

You want to keep the perpetual headache that is NI but not Scotland?

We probably moan more than NI.

[Duhon]

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1140890775686918144

Conservative Party members say they would sacrifice Scotland, Northern Ireland, the Conservative Party and the economy to get Brexit. The only thing they would lose Brexit for is to stop Corbyn.

how do you even begin to fix something like this

Liquidate the Conservative Party. The United Kingdom cannot wait till these tribalists get sane again. They must be deprived of all political power, or they will rend the UK -- and any semblance of order, never mind prosperity of any kind -- apart. There is no reasoning with suicide bombers.

[Duhon]

We're now in the clown timeline ladies and gentlemen...

We’ve been here since 2016.

Ready the effigies, gentlemen, for tonight David Cameron dines in hell!

[Duhon]

So their plan for saving the UK is to dissolve the UK.

Conservative and Unionist party

You can also extend that slash to the "Conservative" part, for what are these morons conserving, really?

[Lamoni]

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1140890775686918144

Conservative Party members say they would sacrifice Scotland, Northern Ireland, the Conservative Party and the economy to get Brexit. The only thing they would lose Brexit for is to stop Corbyn.

how do you even begin to fix something like this

Liquidate the Conservative Party. The United Kingdom cannot wait till these tribalists get sane again. They must be deprived of all political power, or they will rend the UK -- and any semblance of order, never mind prosperity of any kind -- apart. There is no reasoning with suicide bombers.

Duhon:

*** 3-day ban for political nicknaming and history ***

We've been through this song and dance with you before. Keep it up, and the ice under your feet will just keep getting thinner and thinner. You can also read the rules while you are on your enforced vacation from NS.

[Phoenicaea]

^ ..well, about post above, not that is an issue for me, it is a forum you may decide what you wish, not a drama, nevertheless i wouldn t agree.

i can t guess which rule the summoned post may have passed, honestly i won t read these rules, not a serious thing enough, still i suppose they have got insane.

this is not a personal thing against someone, i see, people applies 'the rule'. i say these rules not to be serious, a collage of unsensible sentences.

then, an other most strange thing, the ban are so short, few days, so that it is same as there was no ban. no sense at all. the sense could be these 'rules' a manifesto for laissez-faire.

[Uan aa Boa]

You can get banned for history now?

Meanwhile the last few days on NSG has, as per usual, seen support for slavery, calling for illegal immigrants to be shot, and labelling all gay people as degenerate pass without incident.

[Vassenor]

You can get banned for history now?

Meanwhile the last few days on NSG has, as per usual, seen support for slavery, calling for illegal immigrants to be shot, and labelling all gay people as degenerate pass without incident.

"History" meaning "You have a history of this sort of behaviour".

[The Free Joy State]

You can get banned for history now?

Meanwhile the last few days on NSG has, as per usual, seen support for slavery, calling for illegal immigrants to be shot, and labelling all gay people as degenerate pass without incident.

Not a mod, but if you saw the last two, you probably should have reported them.

The mods can only moderate what they know about.

[Caracasus]

You can get banned for history now?

Meanwhile the last few days on NSG has, as per usual, seen support for slavery, calling for illegal immigrants to be shot, and labelling all gay people as degenerate pass without incident.

Ah, but did they do all these things politely or not?

[Dumb Ideologies]

You can get banned for history now?

Meanwhile the last few days on NSG has, as per usual, seen support for slavery, calling for illegal immigrants to be shot, and labelling all gay people as degenerate pass without incident.

In an era of an inexorably declining userbase, it's a great shame that people on all sides are getting whacked hard for honest, passionate but ill-tempered comments in the heat of the moment, while posters who are clearly here to do nothing except wind people up without participating in any real debate are actively defended by the powers-that-bugger-up.

Presumably the golden era corporate vision outlined on the mod cave wall envisions a future of only three posters, one left, one centre, and one right, each with a degree in lawyering themselves just within the allowed limits, permanently sniping at each other with shitty strawbait without ever stating a position, ensuring that none of the non-existent audience could possibly ever be offended.

More of a crack-up then a crack-down.

[Salandriagado]

In an interesting twist, Raab is out.

Ah, he's decided which cabinet position he wants from Johnson, then.

[Salandriagado]

lol, Stewart doesn't want to win the next election, he supports Theresa May's deal, still!

Supports literally the only deal that's on the table, you mean.

[Salandriagado]

Pretty simple way to start would be setting a close deadline for compliance, any corporations or elites found to be non-compliant after that stage get on the shitlist and are told their wealth is ephemeral and will be totally and completely confiscated so they are left with nothing but their debts when the people who take environmentalism seriously take over. Use that policy as a litmus test for environmentalism, and don't support those who don't have it.

But how on Earth would you ever get such a policy implemented in the actual political system?

Denominate fines in large percentages of the share base of that company, as well as cash. If they do stupid shit, they get nationalised.

[Philjia]

lol, Stewart doesn't want to win the next election, he supports Theresa May's deal, still!

Supports literally the only deal that's on the table, you mean.

And the best deal available with May's red lines.
And probably the only one that we can have before October.

[The Free Joy State]

Supports literally the only deal that's on the table, you mean.

And the best deal available with May's red lines.
And probably the only one that we can have before October.

And, if I remember correctly, the EU said that the deal was not open for renegotiation anyway.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

And the best deal available with May's red lines.
And probably the only one that we can have before October.

And, if I remember correctly, the EU said that the deal was not open for renegotiation anyway.

Only important if you assume we need/want a deal.

[The Free Joy State]

And, if I remember correctly, the EU said that the deal was not open for renegotiation anyway.

Only important if you assume we need/want a deal.

Well, we don't necessarily need a withdrawal deal from the EU. That's a back-up, but -- if not that -- revoking article 50 and remaining is a perfectly viable alternative.

That would probably need a second referendum, though.

The one thing that's not viable is crashing out with no deal, having to renegotiate at least 759 treaties (295 of them trade deals) and risk our long-term security.

[Vassenor]

Only important if you assume we need/want a deal.

Well, we don't necessarily need a withdrawal deal from the EU. That's a back-up, but -- if not that -- revoking article 50 and remaining is a perfectly viable alternative.

That would probably need a second referendum, though.

The one thing that's not viable is crashing out with no deal, having to renegotiate at least 759 treaties (295 of them trade deals) and risk our long-term security.

But Johnson said it was the easiest and best solution and he would never ever ever lie about that to further his plans.

[Cerinda]

Jonathan Pie right as usual

[Dooom35796821595]

And the best deal available with May's red lines.
And probably the only one that we can have before October.

And, if I remember correctly, the EU said that the deal was not open for renegotiation anyway.

Yeah, they also said they wouldn’t give an extension. Yet here we are, with an extension.

The logical option would be to go to the EU with a few alterations to the existing deal, primarily a workable solution to the NI border issue and give no deal as the other option.

Of course the NI issue would require pissing off the DUP, or mastery of space time or quantum mechanics, possibly both.

[The Nihilistic view]

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Edit: meant yes to the last one.

You want to keep the perpetual headache that is NI but not Scotland?

I think it's quite likely Scotland will end up leaving anyway whereas I think NI is in a perpetual limbo because going back one way or the other is going to result in a shit tonne of violence so the only realistic thing is keep everything broadly the same.

[Cerinda]

"I'm the candidate in this race who is most pro working people and who is most pro relief of poverty". Oh of course you are Gove, that's why under your government there has a been a rise in homelessness, food banks and unemployment and this is not mentioning the cut in disability services which has made people a lot more fucking poor. But it's not like Gove gives a shit anyway.

Also Jeremy Corbyn is now a puppet of Iran for some reason.