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Who is your preferred Conservative Party leadership candidate?

Gove
5
4%
Hunt
11
9%
Javid
5
4%
Johnson
37
31%
Raab
11
9%
Stewart
50
42%
 
Total votes : 119

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:42 am

Surkiea wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Right... Tell me how the fuck am I, a Jew, who happens to be a fucking Titoist an anti-Semite? How exactly does that work out?

Tito was a brutal communist dictator who was against Israel, you know the Jewish State? Something you Leftists and fake Jews need to know is that Anti-Zionism IS Anti-Semitism. Oh and you're gay as well, what a shocker.


>Anti-Zionism IS Anti-Semitism

So basically it's racist to criticise Israel for purely political things because reasons again?
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:43 am

Vassenor wrote:
Surkiea wrote:Tito was a brutal communist dictator who was against Israel, you know the Jewish State? Something you Leftists and fake Jews need to know is that Anti-Zionism IS Anti-Semitism. Oh and you're gay as well, what a shocker.


>Anti-Zionism IS Anti-Semitism

So basically it's racist to criticise Israel for purely political things because reasons again?

WTF

Of all the things that you could disagree with in that post, you chose...that?
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Postby Cerinda » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:43 am

Surkiea wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Right... Tell me how the fuck am I, a Jew, who happens to be a fucking Titoist an anti-Semite? How exactly does that work out?

Tito was a brutal communist dictator who was against Israel, you know the Jewish State? Something you Leftists and fake Jews need to know is that Anti-Zionism IS Anti-Semitism. Oh and you're gay as well, what a shocker.

Love the casual homophobia that Christian fundamentalists spout.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:44 am

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Go work abroad then?

Why don't you move to PRC? There are no effectively enforced laws against trading in blatantly fake food products, there is no health coverage, bribery is almost a must and scammers flourish.

My Chinese is pretty shit.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:44 am

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It's not about the EU not wanting to sell our insulin to the UK.

It's about the increased paperwork that now comes with it, for a fairly perishable good that saves lives.

Days at the border(and keeping it cool) means days less usage.

America can fly it in. (ships would take too long). Keep it cool, and still have the paperwork issue.

There are of course contingency plans, but those are just meant for being out of stock immediately after an abrupt no deal.

There's a guy in office looking to make deals. I'll betcha for the right price we can skip all that paperwork.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:45 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Why don't you move to PRC? There are no effectively enforced laws against trading in blatantly fake food products, there is no health coverage, bribery is almost a must and scammers flourish.

My Chinese is pretty shit.

Oh you'll be fine. You don't even have to vote.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:47 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:My Chinese is pretty shit.

Oh you'll be fine. You don't even have to vote.

Or get a job, given I don't speak Chinese.

Besides, you can't just move to the PRC, they have pretty strict immigration requirements. As does most of East Asia, in fact.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:47 am

Surkiea wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Right... Tell me how the fuck am I, a Jew, who happens to be a fucking Titoist an anti-Semite? How exactly does that work out?

Tito was a brutal communist dictator who was against Israel, you know the Jewish State? Something you Leftists and fake Jews need to know is that Anti-Zionism IS Anti-Semitism. Oh and you're gay as well, what a shocker.

Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are not the same thing. There are people out there who disagree with the actions of the Israeli state but who don't have anything against Jews, otherwise known as anti-Zionists who are not anti-Semitic. There are also people out there who think that Israel is a great idea because they hate Jews and want to shove them somewhere and forget about them, otherwise known as anti-Semites who are not anti-Zionists.

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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:48 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:The fact that you see no problems with that statement proves that you have absolutely no idea how economies function.

If one countries working environment is too risky for you, assuming that nobody has stolen your passport like in the Qatari system, nothing is stopping you finding a country you prefer to work in.

Buildings don't get built if there's no one to build them.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:49 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:If one countries working environment is too risky for you, assuming that nobody has stolen your passport like in the Qatari system, nothing is stopping you finding a country you prefer to work in.

Buildings don't get built if there's no one to build them.

I am aware.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:50 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Buildings don't get built if there's no one to build them.

I am aware.

You sure don't seem to be.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:53 am

Surkiea wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Right... Tell me how the fuck am I, a Jew, who happens to be a fucking Titoist an anti-Semite? How exactly does that work out?

Tito was a brutal communist dictator who was against Israel, you know the Jewish State?

And? Israel definitely has some shit to work out. The current government is shit

Something you Leftists and fake Jews need to know is that Anti-Zionism IS Anti-Semitism.

Criticizing the Israeli government is not anti-semitism, if that was the case than several ultra-orthodox Jews would be anti-Semitic.

Oh and you're gay as well, what a shocker.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:54 am

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
From left to right based on the image.

Yes
Yes
No
Yes
Yes

Edit: meant yes to the last one.


Haha. 'No' to Tory party being destroyed.

Brexit either happens or the Conservative Party is permanently destroyed. There is no middle ground or third option. It will die off in the same fashion as Les Republicains to some right-wing alternative, be it Brexit Party (reformed) or something else.


"Both" is definitely also on the table.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:56 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Surkiea wrote:Tito was a brutal communist dictator who was against Israel, you know the Jewish State?

And? Israel definitely has some shit to work out. The current government is shit

Something you Leftists and fake Jews need to know is that Anti-Zionism IS Anti-Semitism.

Criticizing the Israeli government is not anti-semitism, if that was the case than several ultra-orthodox Jews would be anti-Semitic.

Oh and you're gay as well, what a shocker.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

Well since you're gay, you therefore subscribe to a set of views that the Christian fundamentalists ascribe to you. If you differ from those set views, that's just trickery and deception on your part.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:56 am

Lower Nubia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Are we throwing around playground insults now?


The man thought “technology” could solve the physical border problem. Any other description would be a compliment.


Nah, he's not stupid. He's fucking evil, and pretending to be stupid (and therefore harmless) in order to get elected.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby North German Realm » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:56 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Surkiea wrote:Tito was a brutal communist dictator who was against Israel, you know the Jewish State?

And? Israel definitely has some shit to work out. The current government is shit

Something you Leftists and fake Jews need to know is that Anti-Zionism IS Anti-Semitism.

Criticizing the Israeli government is not anti-semitism, if that was the case than several ultra-orthodox Jews would be anti-Semitic.

Oh and you're gay as well, what a shocker.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

I think the problem, as per usual, is the distinction between "criticism of the State of Israel" and "Anti-Zionism".
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:00 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Good for you! But last I checked, Britain has a population of more than one person.

10 % isn't exactly a lot.


Yes, it is. That's "major disaster" levels.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:00 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Actually yes it is. Again, you might have the disposable income to take the hit, but there are millions who do not.
And what are you getting out of this, anyway? What exactly is "political and economic independence" to you that makes it worth so much?

I want our government to have the ability to make its own laws without having to think of what 27 other countries might think of them.


Hate to tell you this, but every country, everywhere in the world, has to think of what every other country in the world thinks of its laws. This is not going to change.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:02 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Denmani wrote:They don't. We make almost all our own laws. You know how many laws the UK has that we disagreed with? 72
Here is a list of them.
https://twitter.com/mac_puck/status/108 ... 80736?s=19

Food safety standards? Health and safety? All eu-influenced.


Other way around, actually: the EU enforced our food safety/H&S standards on the rest of the EU.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:03 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I want our government to have the ability to make its own laws without having to think of what 27 other countries might think of them.


Hate to tell you this, but every country, everywhere in the world, has to think of what every other country in the world thinks of its laws. This is not going to change.

They don't all get to show how much they disagree with them in courts with supremacy over our own though, do they?
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:04 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:10 % isn't exactly a lot.


Yes, it is. That's "major disaster" levels.

Perhaps for big ticket items. Food, not so much.
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Postby Uan aa Boa » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:04 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Or the other possibility: the person in question has completely given up caring about what happens and is so detached that whatever happens happens.

If you don't care about what happens how come you're on here on a daily basis arguing that there should be a no deal Brexit? This edgy nihilism thing isn't nearly as interesting as you might believe.

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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:05 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Hate to tell you this, but every country, everywhere in the world, has to think of what every other country in the world thinks of its laws. This is not going to change.

They don't all get to show how much they disagree with them in courts with supremacy over our own though, do they?

No, but they can sanction or embargo the UK (or even outright invade it if things get bad enough). You can't just get rid of the international community by pretending that it doesn't exist.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:05 am

Uan aa Boa wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Or the other possibility: the person in question has completely given up caring about what happens and is so detached that whatever happens happens.

If you don't care about what happens how come you're on here on a daily basis arguing that there should be a no deal Brexit? This edgy nihilism thing isn't nearly as interesting as you might believe.

I don't say what I say to provoke a reaction, I've only ever said what I truly think about a given issue here (unless I'm being obviously sarcastic.)
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:06 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:They don't all get to show how much they disagree with them in courts with supremacy over our own though, do they?

No, but they can sanction or embargo the UK (or even outright invade it if things get bad enough). You can't just get rid of the international community by pretending that it doesn't exist.

Sure!

Countries will embargo the UK because we have lower food safety standards.
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